NEW RUMOR

[jarmo]

All he is doing is passing on second hand info (with a disclaimer) for people to ponder.

So what's the problem if we don't believe what he says and question the validity of the rumor?

Do you expect everybody to believe what he says just because he writes long posts?




/jarmo

[pilferk]

Even the BAND MEMBERS have been wrong about stuff.

Yeah, but they're band members. There's a difference in posting something you heard from some guy and something you heard from actual band members.




/jarmo

My point was, the "criteria" you set up to be "credible", in your previous post, isn't reasonable. ?Since, in hindsight, every "rumor" we've heard has pretty much turned out, in the end, to not be true...even the info passed on to us by the BAND MEMBERS.

So, to simply dismiss information because someone prefaces it or suffixes it with a disclaimer isn't very valid.

You say "Well, this sounds like something anyone could make up based on the information at hand". ?True. ?In addition, based on the information at hand, it's more than likely that, if a piece of information was given out, it would depict the situation exactly as described.

So to say that a rumor isn't good, or is probably made up, because it closely resembles other information seems to be a bit of a paradox to me.

I understand YOU think it's BS...valid, for sure.

But to just disregard it, out of hand, as made up?

You'll have to come up with something a bit more to convince me than "It too closely resembles the information we already have", no matter who the poster is.

[C0ma]

All he is doing is passing on second hand info (with a disclaimer) for people to ponder.

So what's the problem if we don't believe what he says and question the validity of the rumor?

Do you expect everybody to believe what he says just because he writes long posts?




/jarmo

I see nothing wrong with the info or the idea being questioned. The problem I have is that as soon as he posts something, there are people weeding through every post he has ever written to discredit him (not the information.) They then start saying how all he does is waste their time with useless rumors....... Yet these are the same people who post (just to post) in every hairbrain thread out there.

If they think the info is wrong, explain why....... don't just jump back with "Well aren't you the GNFR guy???"

[pilferk]

Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people? change their underwear

How you can be so sure about that?

I'm not gonna dig out all the statements he's made that, in hindsight, turned out to be untrue or plans he made that changed.? All that is so well documented, I think it goes without saying.

The band members have commented, a few times, on release dates and timetables.? They changed.? I'd venture that we are all pretty sure the driving person behind that change was Axl....given all that we know.

Or were you, in fact, questioning the frequency of undwear changing?

[33]

I am talking about his recent post/rumour/news whatever you want to call it! Its just makes much more positive reading than negative crap!

Let me get this straight. A rumor, even if it's bullshit, is good as long as it's positive?

How can you get positive about something like this?

"The album's gonna be followed up by another album in 1-1.5 years. The record company and management are working on it".


What's the next piece of positive rumors gonna be? "Axl might sing on the next tour, unless he changes his mind again."?


I know you're dying for some news, but there was none in this rumor. It's nothing you couldn't come up with yourself based on what Tommy said and then add the possibility of the album being done.

Like this:
Assume album is done -> record company plans its release.
Tommy says news might be coming soon -> record company must be deciding on its release and/or management are working on something.

Even the BAND MEMBERS have been wrong about stuff.

Yeah, but they're band members. There's a difference in posting something you heard from some guy and something you heard from actual band members.




/jarmo

Jarmo mate. My point really only is: It may well be bullshit, but if true then its great. And the reading of it only makes me feel good about the whole wait for the album. If it turns out to be a bunch of crap then I will just forget about it and move on, thats all. Whether its shit or not its just a whole lot better than some of the ridiculous shit that gets put on here by people I can only presume dont know a great deal about the band!

[Nytunz]

I am talking about his recent post/rumour/news whatever you want to call it! Its just makes much more positive reading than negative crap!

Let me get this straight. A rumor, even if it's bullshit, is good as long as it's positive?

How can you get positive about something like this?

"The album's gonna be followed up by another album in 1-1.5 years. The record company and management are working on it".


What's the next piece of positive rumors gonna be? "Axl might sing on the next tour, unless he changes his mind again."?


I know you're dying for some news, but there was none in this rumor. It's nothing you couldn't come up with yourself based on what Tommy said and then add the possibility of the album being done.

Like this:
Assume album is done -> record company plans its release.
Tommy says news might be coming soon -> record company must be deciding on its release and/or management are working on something.

Even the BAND MEMBERS have been wrong about stuff.

Yeah, but they're band members. There's a difference in posting something you heard from some guy and something you heard from actual band members.




/jarmo

Jarmo mate. My point really only is: It may well be bullshit, but if true then its great. And the reading of it only makes me feel good about the whole wait for the album. If it turns out to be a bunch of crap then I will just forget about it and move on, thats all. Whether its shit or not its just a whole lot better than some of the ridiculous shit that gets put on here by people I can only presume dont know a great deal about the band!

Yeah! I agree...
This is a messageboard, and i think rumours are exciting, and belongs here... True or not! This is the Internet God dammit! And someday that little snip of rumour WILL be true! Thats gonna be great! But when thats written! You GOT TO have an open mind about this rumours, and dont let yourself down. If dont have that, well then i understand peoples frustration about this! Anyway... Richard said cd early 06, Dizzy said it, Tommy Said it, so i belive somebody have informed them about something this time.. Even the last sentence in Tommys 18 sep update give me a gooody feeling!
Keep on rocking gunners! We have a big gift in front of us! Even if its December or early 06. It there!! Somewhere close in the future!

[33]

I am talking about his recent post/rumour/news whatever you want to call it! Its just makes much more positive reading than negative crap!

Let me get this straight. A rumor, even if it's bullshit, is good as long as it's positive?

How can you get positive about something like this?

"The album's gonna be followed up by another album in 1-1.5 years. The record company and management are working on it".


What's the next piece of positive rumors gonna be? "Axl might sing on the next tour, unless he changes his mind again."?


I know you're dying for some news, but there was none in this rumor. It's nothing you couldn't come up with yourself based on what Tommy said and then add the possibility of the album being done.

Like this:
Assume album is done -> record company plans its release.
Tommy says news might be coming soon -> record company must be deciding on its release and/or management are working on something.

Even the BAND MEMBERS have been wrong about stuff.

Yeah, but they're band members. There's a difference in posting something you heard from some guy and something you heard from actual band members.




/jarmo

Jarmo mate. My point really only is: It may well be bullshit, but if true then its great. And the reading of it only makes me feel good about the whole wait for the album. If it turns out to be a bunch of crap then I will just forget about it and move on, thats all. Whether its shit or not its just a whole lot better than some of the ridiculous shit that gets put on here by people I can only presume dont know a great deal about the band!

Yeah! I agree...
This is a messageboard, and i think rumours are exciting, and belongs here... True or not! This is the Internet God dammit! And someday that little snip of rumour WILL be true! Thats gonna be great! But when thats written! You GOT TO have an open mind about this rumours, and dont let yourself down. If dont have that, well then i understand peoples frustration about this! Anyway... Richard said cd early 06, Dizzy said it, Tommy Said it, so i belive somebody have informed them about something this time.. Even the last sentence in Tommys 18 sep update give me a gooody feeling!
Keep on rocking gunners! We have a big gift in front of us! Even if its December or early 06. It there!! Somewhere close in the future!

Yes Nyuntz! I agree with you mate! I guess i got excited about rumours in 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04 and now 05 and every other fucking rumour since 1993! One of the fuckers will be true! Of course I get frustrated like everyone else with the wait, but  at the end of the day I believe in Axl and the rest of the band. Simple as that! That where I think there is a big difference between the people who stay positive in the band and those who dont!

[Jessica]

M8s,
As I've been saying Chinese lucky number is 8

the year 2006 (2+6)
the birthday 6/ 2(2+6)
 the Age 44 (4+4)
8 men
8 is the magic number.

oh, w8?

Lol !!

So MY birthday is a 26
My parents got married a 6 of month 2
I have an extremely important occurance every year on an 8

etc etc....

Don't you think 8 can be " just" a number many people find in their lifes ?

[ppbebe]

Mademoiselle Jesse, Then, 8 must be your number, sophistically speaking . I mean Yep, I think so.

Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people  change their underwear

How you can be so sure about that?

I'm not gonna dig out all the statements he's made that, in hindsight, turned out to be untrue or plans he made that changed.  All that is so well documented, I think it goes without saying.

The band members have commented, a few times, on release dates and timetables.  They changed.  I'd venture that we are all pretty sure the driving person behind that change was Axl....given all that we know.

Or were you, in fact, questioning the frequency of undwear changing?

Nope. sometime a few times a day.

There aren't  many statements he made and turned out to be untrue.
He's been pleading the fifth.

I bet Rumours n his reputation made you think so more than anything.
For all the rumours I can tell something didn't work so well.

As for the members "hopefully" comments,
I wouldn't jump the gun and say Axl changed his mind.
I'd rather figure that through force of circumstances he just couldn't make it.

[jarmo]

If they think the info is wrong, explain why....... don't just jump back with "Well aren't you the GNFR guy???"

I explained my opinion on it.

I wouldn't call it a rumor, it's more like a guess or theory to me.


There's no way to check the source of this rumor. If somebody posts "I heard on the radio that Axl has recorded an album of disco covers", it would be easy to check. This is more like Danny's faxes that only he saw. We couldn't check the source.

When a band member says something, we know the source.


And by saying "unless Axl changes his mind" puts blame on him once the rumor doesn't turn out to be true.



/jarmo

[pilferk]

Mademoiselle Jesse, Then, 8 must be your number, sophistically speaking . I mean Yep, I think so.

Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people? change their underwear

How you can be so sure about that?

I'm not gonna dig out all the statements he's made that, in hindsight, turned out to be untrue or plans he made that changed.? All that is so well documented, I think it goes without saying.

The band members have commented, a few times, on release dates and timetables.? They changed.? I'd venture that we are all pretty sure the driving person behind that change was Axl....given all that we know.

Or were you, in fact, questioning the frequency of undwear changing?

Nope. sometime a few times a day.

There aren't? many statements he made and turned out to be untrue.
He's been pleading the fifth.

I bet Rumours n his reputation made you think so more than anything.
For all the rumours I can tell something didn't work so well.

As for the members "hopefully" comments,
I wouldn't jump the gun and say Axl changed his mind.
I'd rather figure that through force of circumstances he just couldn't make it.

I'll start the digging, if you really insist.

But you're right, circumstances, as much as anything, could be more to blame than mind changing.  But he's made PLENTY of assertions (we'll be back next summer with a whole new batch of songs!) that later turned out to not be true (though, at the time, I'm sure they were).  Again, I'll start digging tomorrow for ya.

[Rhythm-n-Booze]

Long gone are the days of PURE and 555555, here are the days of Mysteron and darknemus!

[Jim]

Long gone are the days of PURE and 555555, here are the days of Mysteron and darknemus!

Oh dear.

I almost passed out, reading that.

[mikegiuliana]

How come I never get any good feelings about these rumors and insiders

For my sake and everyone else who has waited a lifetime I hope it is soon

[AxlGunner]

Mademoiselle Jesse, Then, 8 must be your number, sophistically speaking . I mean Yep, I think so.

Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people? change their underwear

How you can be so sure about that?

I'm not gonna dig out all the statements he's made that, in hindsight, turned out to be untrue or plans he made that changed.? All that is so well documented, I think it goes without saying.

The band members have commented, a few times, on release dates and timetables.? They changed.? I'd venture that we are all pretty sure the driving person behind that change was Axl....given all that we know.

Or were you, in fact, questioning the frequency of undwear changing?

Nope. sometime a few times a day.

There aren't? many statements he made and turned out to be untrue.
He's been pleading the fifth.

I bet Rumours n his reputation made you think so more than anything.
For all the rumours I can tell something didn't work so well.

As for the members "hopefully" comments,
I wouldn't jump the gun and say Axl changed his mind.
I'd rather figure that through force of circumstances he just couldn't make it.

I'll start the digging, if you really insist.

But you're right, circumstances, as much as anything, could be more to blame than mind changing.? But he's made PLENTY of assertions (we'll be back next summer with a whole new batch of songs!) that later turned out to not be true (though, at the time, I'm sure they were).? Again, I'll start digging tomorrow for ya.

anyone remember exactly what it was that axl said at one of the concerts a couple years back... i think it was either rio or one of the european/asian concerts before the US tour... when he said something about going on tour the next year with the cd, and then releasing two cds after that.... we all know by now that none of that happened. he must've changed his mind. i hear axl does that from time to time. in fact, i do it myself sometimes too. but only because axl is my hero.

also, just to prove a point, i was at a tommy stinson gig last year in nyc (richard fortus played too, kicked ass), and after the show i talked to both stinson and fortus (who are cool guys). anyway, neither said much to me about axl, but i also became friends with a fan who knows tommy and richard better than me (i ended up going to where the after-party was with this dude and his wife), and he told me that tommy had told him that they were supposed to start rehearsing with axl in january '05. well clearly that never happened. and i doubt that guy was lying, because 1) he didnt even like gnr, he just was obsessed with the replacements and psychedelic furs, and 2)he took me with him and his wife to the afterparty bar where tommy, richard, and the rest of the gang went.

so just to prove a point, clearly axl changes his mind, and to say that someone is lying because they put a disclaimer to a rumor that "this is subject to change based on axl", is just plain crazy.

[ppbebe]

Awww I was too l8 for the days of PURE and 555555

Nor will I point out that, the fact of the matter is, Axl changes his mind as frequently as most people  change their underwear

How you can be so sure about that?

I'm not gonna dig out all the statements he's made that, in hindsight, turned out to be untrue or plans he made that changed.  All that is so well documented, I think it goes without saying.

The band members have commented, a few times, on release dates and timetables.  They changed.  I'd venture that we are all pretty sure the driving person behind that change was Axl....given all that we know.

Or were you, in fact, questioning the frequency of undwear changing?

There aren't  many statements he made and turned out to be untrue.
He's been pleading the fifth.

I bet Rumours n his reputation made you think so more than anything.
For all the rumours I can tell something didn't work so well.

As for the members "hopefully" comments,
I wouldn't jump the gun and say Axl changed his mind.
I'd rather figure that through force of circumstances he just couldn't make it.

I'll start the digging, if you really insist.

But you're right, circumstances, as much as anything, could be more to blame than mind changing.  But he's made PLENTY of assertions (we'll be back next summer with a whole new batch of songs!) that later turned out to not be true (though, at the time, I'm sure they were).  Again, I'll start digging tomorrow for ya.

I'd appreciate it but You don't have to. I never say his words are far more dependable than the other members(actually I'd imagine what they say is mostly what they're told from Axl or the management). That's not my point.
This is

circumstances, as much as anything, could be more to blame than mind changing.

It's a simplistic thinking to label Axl inconsistent/inconstant because of the words or plans he hasn't fulfilled yet, or the other way round, to attribute everything to the changes of his mind.

(we'll be back next summer with a whole new batch of songs!) that later turned out to not be true (though, at the time, I'm sure they were).

This one seems an obvious case that circumstances altered. still yes he is responsible for it cos he did  say so.

Picking up rumour is fun as far as it's harmless. 
You or the sources bear a responsibility for it but Axl no way in the hell does.

[RnT]

Long gone are the days of PURE and 555555, here are the days of Mysteron and darknemus!

Oh dear.

I almost passed out, reading that.

wow times go by hun?

[jameslofton29]

This rumor is bullshit. Interscope and Sanctuary would not be making plans for the 2nd CD while still trying to get the first CD out. The rumor was almost believeable until he mentioned the 2nd CD.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

This rumor is bullshit. Interscope and Sanctuary would not be making plans for the 2nd CD while still trying to get the first CD out. The rumor was almost believeable until he mentioned the 2nd CD.

You have heard of a long term plan right? Axl has been talking about the 3 album thing since 2001. If this rumor is true plus what dizzy said then it makes it even more true.

[jarmo]

This rumor is bullshit. Interscope and Sanctuary would not be making plans for the 2nd CD while still trying to get the first CD out. The rumor was almost believeable until he mentioned the 2nd CD.

You have heard of a long term plan right? Axl has been talking about the 3 album thing since 2001. If this rumor is true plus what dizzy said then it makes it even more true.

So again, I ask you believers this. Just because the rumor mentions something Axl and Dizzy has mentioned, it must be true?


Here's a rumor: There's gonna be a song about child abuse on the album. I heard it from a secret source.

Oh wait, it was mentioned in an Axl article in 2001.

Maybe I'm too pessimistic, I just don't get this "rumor". To me it looks like a bunch of old news/rumors put together to make a new one. Add some speculation to it as well as "Axl might change his mind" and there you have it. A new rumor.


/jarmo