Socialism

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

Karl Zero is biaised. It's weird because he seems pretty intelligent and clever, but he is very anti-american (like Canal + as a whole, I don't even want to talk about "les guignols de l'info" who are sometimes barely racists against USA). I think they are part of this whole alter-mondialism/anti-americanism trendy way of thinking. They are "gauchistes", or, at least, they are VERY lefties. In a long term, it's dangerous for people watching them almost everyday. I think it's dangerous for the youngest people, and it's dangerous for the french society. I also never ever appreciated how they turned Ben-Laden or Arafat in a "sympathic" sense while they are/were international criminals and terrorists. It biaised the public opinion. Criminals are now sympathic people...This is not responsible.

well they are supposed to be funny .... and if you watch shows like The Daily Shows in the Us they're as much anti-american as the french comedians... so ....
so what do you want ? everybody to think like you ?
we need people that think differently and re-question the standards....

[Will]

the last thing we want is, like in the us, 2 major sides that in the end ...are very much the same ...

Is that right? Sounds like France is exactly like the US though: hello PS and UMP. Sure there are other parties, but none of them will ever be elected, even for a Prime Minister or something. I do think it's a good thing we have several parties, I don't think it's good we have racists parties (hello FN and MPF), especially when one of them managed to get in the second round of presidential elections in 2002. We do make huge mistakes too and as I said previously aren't really an example to follow.

the only thing that we don't need is right wing extreme (saying racism and nationalism ...). this is not healthy
but a political party like the communist make the other parties don't forget soem basic social stuff....

That's an interesting point of view, because many people think left revolutionary parties (such as the LCR) are very dangerous too.

so let's go on a communists are evil thing .... where 's mccarthy ?

Who said they are evil?

well they are supposed to be funny .... and if you watch shows like The Daily Shows in the Us they're as much anti-american as the french comedians... so ....
so what do you want ? everybody to think like you ?
we need people that think differently and re-question the standards....

I do agree with Nequick about Les Guignols. They're so anti-US it makes me sick. They have stopped being funny about 8-9 years ago.

Sure The Daily Show is anti-US (in an actual funny way, I really don't think the French comedians are funny, but whatever), but Jon Stewart is...American! It makes me laugh when an American is mocking his own country, but not when French lesson givers take cheap shots on America. No offense, but The Daily Show is a hundred times better than Les Guignols!

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

well, yes, the guignols started to bore me years ago, but you're down talking about how funny or not funy they are .... when a comedian gets on risky subject people start judging him out of the "comedy" context because they think he's not funny ... anyway.

well people think revolutionnaries parties are dangerous because we've be trained to think so in regards of the (bad) exemple-events in history ....
au contraire, extreme right wing is naturraly dangerous

you don't have to know history or be educated (hmm?) to see the danger in " get all the foreigners out, and black people stinks" - simplification -
a kid would naturrally be offended by right wing thesis.
BUT
a kid would easily sympathize with social concept and theories.

thats a big point some guy in a french (VERY) good political tv show " Riposte " said ....
social thesis are natural to kids : we want to share, we want to help people, we're offended by the rich big boss and are more on the side of the poor workers ....

and, then when we're corrupted by society , and grow up we sometimes tend to become a rightwinger (sp?).
yes yes.


i say, we gotta listen to women and kids

[DeN]

agree with WAT-EVER for the whole thing.

anyway, a better system must be find for humanity, i have no doubt about that.

but where are the ideologists in these days ? we have politicians, who thinks they are managers
or biznessmen, they have no vision at all.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

agree with WAT-EVER for the whole thing.

anyway, a better system must be find for humanity, i have no doubt about that.

but where are the ideologists in these days ? we have politicians, who thinks they are managers
or biznessmen, they have no vision at all.

yes, there was a nice big file in " les enjeux" magazine months ago, and they were pointing that political / economics thinkers and ideologist are not put on front.
Only fake politician are on tv and in the news, there is no vision.
we are so blinded by our problems (and by THE growth obsession) that rich countries don't have any vision or thinkers.

i mean, look at global warming and sustainable devellopement (sorry, i know these are very trendy) but they show how rare a society think of global problems for long terms.
the world will go nowhere if we continue to think about taxes, kids in the hoods ans stuff like that. and also if people continue to vote and map their opinions on easy / shock / simple subject.

[DeN]

it could be interesting to have new guns members opinions about that, and axl's one too of course.

[Kitano]

capitalism is the worst "democratic" system on earth, and we'll have to pay (humans, earth) for it one day.

soon, i'm afraid.

is human race on earth to product, to make money ?

or are we all here for something more generous, interesting, spiritual ?

i don't like to live in a merchants's world.

We all know how environmentally friendly the USSR was.

[nesquick]

it could be interesting to have new guns members opinions about that, and axl's one too of course.

No. That's not their job. They are here to make music and to sell records. That's already enough work and enough pain for them. Their own political point of vue should stay private, and seriously who cares? Is it to get attention? They'd better get attention by making the best music they can. Stick to their job. as we say in french "chacun doit rester ? sa place".

Current political parties in France aren't "socialist", but France is indeed a socialist country

I think It's a question of mentallity, more than a political system one. France is an old country, things are dawn slow, it's loud, the population is getting old, everything is slow and old. It's not young and fast like America (especially NY). We just need a baby boom, and things may change. There is a lot of talent in France, but not enough ambition/trust for its youth. This is "structurel". We should change the mentality. A liberal policy would be welcome. Developp the turnover, Developp the private business, not the administration.

[POPmetal]

it could be interesting to have new guns members opinions about that, and axl's one too of course.

No. That's not their job. They are here to make music and to sell records. That's already enough work and enough pain for them. Their own political point of vue should stay private, and seriously who cares? Is it to get attention? They'd better get attention by making the best music they can. Stick to their job. as we say in french "chacun doit rester ? sa place".

Yes and having lived in a real socialist country (Bulgaria before the Soviet Union collapsed) I find the views expressed by Den and Wat-Ever soo offensive that if any of the bands I listen to (no matter how much I like them) were to spew out such ignorance, I would never listen to their music again. To me this is like somebody telling a Jewish person fascism is "healthy" and we need a Nazi party.

[DeN]

We all know how environmentally friendly the USSR was.

*gling gling* cold war is over 

[DeN]

ah yes, i forgot, artists "job" is to sell records....damn...i don't even know what to answer to this...

try to learn what is art, and why artists create.

for the nazi party thing, i don't answer to such a stupid thing, it's better.
i know a lot of people who lives in east estonia, finland, poland etc, and they all
are left liberal, they don't regret (of course) communism, but they just don't like
right conservative thinking, so it's total non sense to say people are ignorant
because they haven't the experience themselves.

so i suppose a lot of "guns n'roses fans" don't like david bowie, stones, U2, clash,
and all the artists who have the balls to say what they think. good.

anyway i already read the itw with dizzy who talked a bit about bush, and i was happy
to read his comments. i'm sure axl thinks the same.

[jarmo]

anyway i already read the itw with dizzy who talked a bit about bush, and i was happy
to read his comments. i'm sure axl thinks the same.

I asked Tommy a bit about that and you can see the result here.



/jarmo

[POPmetal]

for the nazi party thing, i don't answer to such a stupid thing, it's better.
i know a lot of people who lives in east estonia, finland, poland etc, and they all
are left liberal, they don't regret (of course) communism, but they just don't like
right conservative thinking, so it's total non sense to say people are ignorant
because they haven't the experience themselves.

Since when was Finland socialist? ? And yes, many of the people in estonia, poland, and the other eastern bloc countries who were members of the party apparatus and lived well at the expense of everyone else, still do like socialism and communism. If you had your grandfather taken in by the police and tortured you might feel differently. If you had to grow up in a society of fear you probably won't think what I said was stupid. I can't believe how ungrateful some people can be. You have been blessed to have been born in a capitalist country. And France may not be as capitalist as the US, but it is capitalist nonetheless. In terms of mergers and acquisitions, it is right now the most "imperialist" (that's a term people like you would use, personally I think it's good when companies buy foreign companies if they do things more efficiently as a result) European country.

so i suppose a lot of "guns n'roses fans" don't like david bowie, stones, U2, clash,
and all the artists who have the balls to say what they think. good.

I don't like the clash, because I don't like their music.? I know they were communist at some point, but even they renounced the Soviet Union later on.

I am not aware of any of the other artists you mentioned making such ridiculous and offensive statements as you and Wat Ever. Bono in fact said he is sick of people criticizing the US and the he loves the US. He is hardly socialist. Rolling Stones are the definition of corporate band, not that I have a problem with that. Their tours make more money than a socialist country's entire GDP.

[Guns N RockMusic]

Before some of you get on this bandwagon on how socialist/liberal Axl would  be, I strongly suggest you read some of his interviews.  He's very pro-gun (look at my icon) and also very much an individualist.  I don't see him getting involved in all the socially and politcally motivated concerts that so many are.  I'm not saying that he doesn't care (by the way, when did liberals get the copyright to being the only onese concerned about social injustice, some of you need to research the democratic party in America aka the party of slavery and Jim crow laws.) but I would bet he's very libertarian -- live and let live mentality.  There's nothing worse than a rock star/ actor who feels they can change the world.  If I want political commentary, I'll goto someone knowledgable and educated on the subject, not someone who just regurgitates that Times or daily worker.   Although don't you think that the name Chinese democracy is kind of against the only real communist nation left? 

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

we don't care about axl rose point of view.

the world realy need to get social. that's it. we're already very very decadent.

[nesquick]

I also think we MUST all help Africa.

[DeN]

I asked Tommy a bit about that and you can see the result here.

/jarmo

ah yes i forgot this one, it was a great one too, good job, as usual.

[Kitano]

I also think we MUST all help Africa.

Africa's problems began when europeans started meddling in their affairs and it's still going on.  If we want to help them then we need to stop treating them like children and let then be the authors of their own destinies.  It's the "father knows best", imperalistic mindset that says we should "fix" Africa.  It's a failed approach.  The countries in Africa that have gotten off the drug of foreign aid have been doing alot better.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I also think we MUST all help Africa.

Africa's problems began when europeans started meddling in their affairs and it's still going on.  If we want to help them then we need to stop treating them like children and let then be the authors of their own destinies.  It's the "father knows best", imperalistic mindset that says we should "fix" Africa.  It's a failed approach.  The countries in Africa that have gotten off the drug of foreign aid have been doing alot better.

is that what we should have done with iraq ?

[Will]

No, because it wasn't the Europeans this time. Whatever Europeans do is bad, but if America gets involved it's good. Thank you Mr. O'Reilly.