Schools

[Walk]

http://www.home-ed.vic.edu.au/Otherways/AgainstSchool.htm

Liberals use schools to force their agendas on our children. Public schools are for people who had no business having children. If they did, they would have arranged homeschooling or had a fine private school ready for them. It's time we go back to traditional values.

[Pazzuzu]

Oh boy, I think you may have just disturbed the hornets nest Walk.? ?

[journey]

http://www.home-ed.vic.edu.au/Otherways/AgainstSchool.htm

Public schools are for people who had no business having children. If they did, they would have arranged homeschooling or had a fine private school ready for them.

Are you serious?

I went to a public school.

Not every family can afford private schooling for their children. So does that mean only rich people should have children? I don't think so.

We don't live in a perfect world.

[Walk]

Are you serious?

I went to a public school.

You might have turned out better than most. If so, more power to you. The point is, schools pander to mediocrity and talented students are grouped with lessers. Education isn't the schools' purpose anymore. State run schools are even bad for democracy, if you're the type who thinks that democracy is good. Students have few rights while in school, and they don't take their rights seriously when they're finally let out. They end up electing representatives who want gun control, higher taxes, and bigger schools to factory farm more drones up for the state.

People need humility. The average person needs to realize that there are a few who are better than they are. Schools don't accept this. Compare the amount spent on special education to the amount spent on "gifted" programs. Even the title of the program is offensive: it implies that their abilities are undeserved. Smart student's aren't "gifted", they're intelligent. Call them what they are. Unfortunately, in this stupid egalitarian society, they're cursed. 

Not every family can afford private schooling for their children. So does that mean only rich people should have children? I don't think so.

I do. People unprepared to have children shouldn't have them. You don't have to be rich to homeschool children, and private schools aren't overly expensive. You tend to get what you pay for, except when the goverment's in charge. The cycle of poverty continues when students go to bad schools and become bad parents.

The amount of money wasted in public schools is unfathomable. Football teams, marching bands, sex education, and plenty of other programs create an opportunity cost. The money could have been spent on science fairs, math bowls, trips to museums, and other important things. Or better yet, a tax cut!

We don't live in a perfect world.

Let's try and change that. For one, I'm sick of paying taxes for schools that don't work, even when I have no children and would never send my children to the schools around here. Hell, I'm sick of taxes, period.

[Timothy]

I kinda agree with you Walk.


It really pisses me off . when I see a school lay off tacher ,the turn around and build a new football field .

[Walk]

www.fredoneverything.net

Check out articles #225, 192, 178, 147, 116, 63

They're all interesting, especially 178.

[Gunner80]

You're making yourself sound like a fascist.

[Guns N RockMusic]

Finally, another individual who isn't brainwashed into thinking the government can solve all of our problems.  I went to a public school and it was essentially a celebration of ignorance.  I only wish I could go back then knowing what I know now with my political science degree and let these teachers know just how full of shit they are.  Any person who quotes Michael Moore needs to be shot, let alone educating our children.

[SLCPUNK]

I read some of that site. This man is just like you. He says things, making broad generlizations, with no footnotes, sources, stats, studies anything. Just talking to talk.

Walk will say anything and I have said in the past that I doubt you believe much of it. You just say it, to say it.....

Half the shit in your first post, is just that....shit. False, and just kind of nuts....

[SLCPUNK]

You're making yourself sound like a fascist.

If it types like a duck.....

Any person who quotes Michael Moore needs to be shot, let alone educating our children.

Wow....nice.

That's America for you.

Getting dumber everyday.


I'm curious...is this an official libertarian stance? Or just you feel this way? 

[SLCPUNK]

http://www.home-ed.vic.edu.au/Otherways/AgainstSchool.htm

Public schools are for people who had no business having children. If they did, they would have arranged homeschooling or had a fine private school ready for them.

Are you serious?

No, he is not.

[Guns N RockMusic]

You're making yourself sound like a fascist.

Why is someone always a fascist when they don't beleive that stupid ideas and bad programs shouldn't continue. ?Liberals bitch about how we're destorying this planet with pollution and overpopulation but it's the new desire to save the dumb and stupid that's dicking our world up. ?I'm a libertarian but I'll come right out and say that not everyone should have a right to vote. ?People need to have a vested interest in society or they vote for what's just best for them with no personal responsibility. ?It's quite commom to vote to take money and rescources from someone else under the image of a soverign authority so that your life is easier. ?Problem is that communism and socialism are fucking failures but we keep letting dipshits have their say in it. ?Maybe if we increased the standards in education dumb ideas might be weeded out.

[SLCPUNK]

You're making yourself sound like a fascist.

  Problem is that communism and socialism are fucking failures but we keep letting dipshits have their say in it. 

Democracy on your terms only....'eh?

And you wonder why the F word came up?

[Walk]

Fascists believe in a strong state educational system to control the nation better. My view on schools is Libertarian, which is the exact opposite of fascist.

Interestingly, schools were once fine places to learn. They served society well for years and gave us generations of diligent learners and thinkers. Things only went wrong in the 1960's, when liberalism and socialism became more mainstream. Hmm...

[SLCPUNK]

Interestingly, schools were once fine places to learn. They served society well for years and gave us generations of diligent learners and thinkers.

haha, dude, you are nuts.

Put up or shut up.

Give us some facts to back your baseless claims.

[Walk]

Here you go.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0923110.html

[SLCPUNK]

Low test scores...whippie.

How does this link show that schools are "Liberals use schools to force their agendas on our children"?

Answer: It doesn't.

and "Public schools are for people who had no business having children"?

Answer: It doesn't.

Nor does these test scores explain why "They (students) end up electing representatives who want gun control, higher taxes, and bigger schools to factory farm more drones up for the state."

Answer: It doesn't.

or "Compare the amount spent on special education to the amount spent on "gifted" programs."

Answer: It doesn't.

Please, show us this "comparison" you speak of.

How about this statement? "The cycle of poverty continues when students go to bad schools and become bad parents."

Where is this shown on your link?

All public schools yield students who grow up to be bad parents? Huh?

Where is the info to back this statement? "The amount of money wasted in public schools is unfathomable. Football teams, marching bands, sex education, and plenty of other programs create an opportunity cost. The money could have been spent on science fairs, math bowls, trips to museums, and other important things. Or better yet, a tax cut!"

Answer: Your link does not support this claim.

Obviously you haven't been been around schools lately. Football, music etc is getting cut (especially in Jr High School) and/or now costs the parents out of pocket money. Or they have drives to create money for these things. Sex Ed is not something were extra money is being spent.

Or how about this one? "I'm sick of paying taxes for schools that don't work, even when I have no children and would never send my children to the schools around here."

Answer: No where in this link does it provide information that public schools don't work.

Are you aware that MOST PEOPLE go to pulic school? Then those same people, go to college? More than every before. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, judges, all of which have gone to public school.

You are a complete idiot. For real, you have to be the biggest jackass on this boad. And that goes for ANYBODY who agrees with you...

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

is Walk a real person ?

[Izzy]

is Walk a real person ?

Nope, no human is actually stupid enough to say the things he does, i'm guessing he is some kind of defective robot

Real or not, his attempt to use the word 'liberal' as an insult is some of the best comedy the board has produced

''Liberal'' a definition by that always unreliable source...the dictionary

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. 

What a terrible thing to be!

[Prometheus]

yup.... LOL......


if you want a true gadge on the flaws of the "public" education system look at budgets. in most  areas of the US is it not ture that school boards have 2 seperate budgets that schools work out of. one based on accademic preformance, and one based on athletic preformance. if school A preforms at the average based on marks they receive the average x budget from which they hire teachers etc. if they preform below avg based on marks they receive a lower budget % x-%=budget total. if they preform above they receive a higher precentage budget, x+%=total budget. the same is true for sports they have x budget for sports preform well get higher budget, win a few state championships or finsh high get new stadium, and preform badly get lower budget..... maybe not enough to replace the basketballs.

in the case of a lower budget on the educational side does it not translate that you are going to have to hire crappier teachers to fil in your spots laying off better teachers soo that yo will not have voids in your class romms that dont have a teacher?

the problem is not with the shcools them seleves completley its with the boards that adminster them. fix the top end fix the system....... as for private, stsdents are locked into a non free thinking enviroment where conformatory is required, if you are outside the threshold of what is deemed proper then your are tossed out, or not allowed in regardeless of your parents pay scale.