People seem to bash finck and his playing, and talk about gnr without a lead

[Jim Bob]

If you dont like it move on.

And we already have. It's called VR.

and it sucks...     by the way you`re probably in the wrong section here

I agree.  non-fans shuld leave the real fans alone to discuss our fav band.  go to the vr sectoin or some shit.

[Genesis]

I like VR. I also like the new GN'R. All i was saying was that Robin fucks up the old song solos. And that's the truth. 

[DeN]

robin is a really great guitar player, HE's the GNR guitarist, and it's cool.
he plays in a modern way, so i suppose some old cow boys who listened country & 80's heavy metal don't get it.

i just love his work on the new titles, and he plays the old tracks in his own way, it's not a simple copy of Slash,
so thx Axl to choose him, very good and interesting choice.

in fact i don't care buckethead left the band, because to me robin is the guy.

[Neemo]

ok, I've bashed Robin a few times on here, but i've listened to a few shows from 2002 again recently focusing primarily on Robin's guitar work. Here are some comments i have.

Before I said that he fucked up some old solo's (Patience especially) but someone pointed out to me that he altered it. I am reluctantly agreeing. What i took for fuckups before are actually Robin's take on them. Now I don't know if that is the right way to go about things being as the songs are classic and people expect to hear them a certain way, but that's reserved for personal opinion i guess.

That being said now, He is a very sloppy player, his picking is never distinct, he always seems to slide into notes rather than pluck them clean, while that could be attributed to the effects he uses, personally i don't think that is why I hear this. All it boils down to is he's just not as good as Slash and Bucket. Now before anyone flies off the handle at this comment, Slash is awesome plain and simple, no-one can deny it, I don't even think Axl can deny it, so don't start the whole Slash simpathizer thing, Bucket is fucking wicked as well and don't fool yourself that his leaving has no effect on GnR. Robin is alright but he's just not in the same league as the other 2 guys. I really have nothing to say about richard as he was basically just straight rythym (sp?) from what i saw. (And I'm not about to check out his work for N-Sync? )

As well i don't think that Robin can duplicate Bucket's style so, If it were me, I would've let Robin redo everything that bucket did. cuz if they can't do it live i don't wanna hear it on the album.

The blues is a fantastic tune, i love it, but..... we don't really know who wrote it so it's kind of a mute point to say Robin wrote it, we won't know til the CD credits show, unless there is a interview saying he did help write it of course, Madagascar is awesome as well. IRS and CD seem, to me anyway, to be more along the strengths of Robin's playing/writing ability.

Keep this in mind all you Finck lovers, if Robin is so kickass why bring in Buckethead in the first place? I'll tell you, he could duplicate Slash's style better, that's why. Maybe Bucket was just there for the 2002 tour all along. who knows right? not I, thats for sure. maybe a book will be released someday to fill us all in.

So i guess what i'm saying now, my most current opinion of Robin, is that he is, in fact, a decent guitarist, but, he should stick to where his strengths are (The old Slash GnR solos aren't his style) and i doubt we'll see much old stuff played if they ever tour again (5-6 songs per show max).

it doesn't matter who is the guitarist to me anyway, i'll buy CD when it comes out regardless

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Robins webmaster said that robin wrote the guitar melody to the blues.

[Luigi]

Nice, I like Robin.

[Genesis]

Robins webmaster said that robin wrote the guitar melody to the blues.

Guitar 'melody' probably as in the riffs played during the verses and between. I don't think Robin is capable of the solo in the blues. That's definitely Buckethead's work.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Robins webmaster said that robin wrote the guitar melody to the blues.

Guitar 'melody' probably as in the riffs played during the verses and between. I don't think Robin is capable of the solo in the blues. That's definitely Buckethead's work.

Wrong since the blues was written before BH entered the band. Robins webmaster was also talking about the solo.

[Shoco]

. cuz if they can't do it live i don't wanna hear it on the album.



Keep this in mind all you Finck lovers, if Robin is so kickass why bring in Buckethead in the first place? I'll tell you, he could duplicate Slash's style better, that's why. Maybe Bucket was just there for the 2002 tour all along. who knows right? not I, thats for sure. maybe a book will be released someday to fill us all in.

i agree, if its done in the studio you have to be able to do it live

since axl blamed BH for not playing RIR he was there for more than just the 2002 tour

[killingvector]

I like VR. I also like the new GN'R. All i was saying was that Robin fucks up the old song solos. And that's the truth. 

It is the truth. I was shocked when I heard the soundboards; he even struggled with his own solos on Blues and Cd. My biggest problem is the pacing of his performance. He seems to be always lagging behind the tempo of the song; his solos suffer from an unevenness as he struggles to catch up. Bucket meanwhile hit almost every note he attempted; he did great service to the old material and even improved upon the great work slash did on Nightrain and Out Ta Get Me.

Do not listen to Live and Let Die from the Asian Leg of the 2002 tour. Yikes. They were having huge problems with drum lead in to the 'solo'. Butchered

[WARose]

well  i can`t see a point here....

some people including me like robin and his playing/style, while the others don`t....

some think he wrote the solos of the blues and chinese democracy some not......

and it`s pretty sure that we can`t change the opinions of each other and we don`t know the facts, so we should stop this now. well, i`m out

this is exactely the same like oldgnr vs. newgnr.....

[jimmythegent]

well personally, what I find really interesting  about this is that Dave basically started a thread saying "don't worry about those live fuck ups Finck made because":

a) he's had ample time in the studio to get it right

and

b) no bands have guitarists of the calibre of Slash these days so Finck will fit right in

I agree in part Dave, however I think Finck is yet to really show us his best. I agree that on their own material, Finck should come into his own and shine.
I saw him play with NIN in 2000 and he was very impressive, so personally I have a good feeling hes going to make some awesome contributions to CD. With the exception of Axl of course, I think Finck will be the major creative contributor.

Fortus is the one Im worried about though.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

well personally, what I find really interesting? about this is that Dave basically started a thread saying "don't worry about those live fuck ups Finck made because":

a) he's had ample time in the studio to get it right

and

b) no bands have guitarists of the calibre of Slash these days so Finck will fit right in

I agree in part Dave, however I think Finck is yet to really show us his best. I agree that on their own material, Finck should come into his own and shine.
I saw him play with NIN in 2000 and he was very impressive, so personally I have a good feeling hes going to make some awesome contributions to CD. With the exception of Axl of course, I think Finck will be the major creative contributor.

Fortus is the one Im worried about though.

I dont worry about Fortus he added that awesome outtro to the blues. When I heard that song at rio and hob something was missing at the end, but he added the ended and made it so much better. Also listen to robins licks on IRS its fucking great. I assume that him doing the main riffs on that song.

[AxlsMainMan]

. cuz if they can't do it live i don't wanna hear it on the album.

I agree with that entirely and have faith in both Richard and Robin stepping up and splitting BH's contributions to both the old and new material live, however I hope Buckethead's contributions stay rightfully on CD..IRS sounds signature and itd be hard to convince me otherwise..in other words Axl shouldn't cut of his nose in spite of his face as far as BH's departure is concerned.

There is no denying Robin is lackluster and sloppy is some bootlegs and wel not good -> see rio, but I love his style and persona and no doubt think he will contribute greatly to CD and I betcha hes had a many one on one writing sessions with Axl..cause lets face it GnR was about a killer voice and a killer guitarist..in the most coneinet terms, or definitions

[rainX]

anyone who think robin is "sloppy"

go listen to the nin bootlegs, you call that sloppy? he plays the shit to a T

[rainX]

and if you've never heard the Surf Movie soundtrack which RICHARD does EVERYTHING on, then  you have no right to criticize his ability as a guitar player, because even if you don't like the songs on it, it's obvious from it that's he's EXTREMELY TALENTED

especially check out the riffs on "my platonic puppy" and "hitting the ground"

[jimmythegent]

and if you've never heard the Surf Movie soundtrack which RICHARD does EVERYTHING on, then? you have no right to criticize his ability as a guitar player, because even if you don't like the songs on it, it's obvious from it that's he's EXTREMELY TALENTED

especially check out the riffs on "my platonic puppy" and "hitting the ground"

I dont think the concerns expressed regarding Fortus are specific to his technical ability. Im sure he's an extremley competent player

I worry that he'll have the right 'feel' for GNR (yes I know Axl said he has great feel - he'd hardly say the contrary though would he?)
Am I referring to Nsync? Not specifically, although i'll admit this does nothing for my belief in him being a suitable candidate for GNR.
I dunno, the guy looks like he's acting the part rather than just being the part....

I could be wrong - I hope so

[killingvector]

Fortus had alot of trouble with the NR solo as well. He's a good guitarist but neither guy can play the old material well enough to satisfy the diehard fans of the old band. I believe it is not asking too much for these guys to get the old stuff right.

[rainX]

and if you've never heard the Surf Movie soundtrack which RICHARD does EVERYTHING on, then  you have no right to criticize his ability as a guitar player, because even if you don't like the songs on it, it's obvious from it that's he's EXTREMELY TALENTED

especially check out the riffs on "my platonic puppy" and "hitting the ground"

I dont think the concerns expressed regarding Fortus are specific to his technical ability. Im sure he's an extremley competent player

I worry that he'll have the right 'feel' for GNR (yes I know Axl said he has great feel - he'd hardly say the contrary though would he?)
Am I referring to Nsync? Not specifically, although i'll admit this does nothing for my belief in him being a suitable candidate for GNR.
I dunno, the guy looks like he's acting the part rather than just being the part....

I could be wrong - I hope so

Well, your problem comes from what you "Want" the new band to be. The whole feel of GNR, you can't talk about that, you haven't heard but 5 or 6 tracks, and richard sounds great on those doesn't he?

Axl's making the music, he's a motherfucking perfectionist, why would you doubt who he picked would have the right 'feel'

[rainX]

Fortus had alot of trouble with the NR solo as well. He's a good guitarist but neither guy can play the old material well enough to satisfy the diehard fans of the old band. I believe it is not asking too much for these guys to get the old stuff right.

I'm a fan who never needs to hear the old songs live again. So I really could care less whether or not he learns how to play the songs note by note or plays them as he interprets them listening to them off the albums. You sit there and analyze every note of the 2002 shows - if you go back and do the same thing to Slash, you'll see him fuck up a hell of a lot. And no one ever brings up Izzy in this - remember the stories about them having to turn his amps down cuz he was so fucked up he sucked hardcore? At least Richard is sober enough to get his amps left on.