People seem to bash finck and his playing, and talk about gnr without a lead

[dave-gnfnr2k]

What do you have to say about this?

Paris'92 show. Watch it and you'll see what the word "talent" means.

Paris was when the old gnr had already played hundreds of shows together, while the ones you bash robin for are only the first handful. Just listen those slash nov rain solos they sound just like the ones you bash finck for, but of course when its slash you don't say anything about it. So comment how slash must really suck since he butchered that Nov Rain solo. It just goes to show you that slashs guitar playing on that has nothing to do with out great he played on the UYI album. The same will go for Robin on CD.

[jarmo]

Why is it so hard to understand that Robin isn't in GN'R to play the old material?

 

Of course he is.? A more accurate wording would be "Why is it so hard to understand that Robin isn't in GN'R only to play the old material?." but playing old material is still a job requirement? for any guitarist Axl chooses.

You know what I meant.




/jarmo

[yagami1gnr]

Let's put it this way:

B'Head while being a virtuoso, he plays all solos with the same- I'm faster than anyone on planet earth- scale.

Richard plays like Slash -a little bit sloppy- but with different tonality maybe he plays with a baritone guitar, what do I know.

Robin doesn't play like Slash. But IMO he has a great vibe and he can play with axl vocals easy(I mean he is on the same page as Axl's voice.)

Slash is Slash. What else can you say about him. However, he has fucked up his solos many times. Also I remember seeing a video of Slash playing Voodoo Child and it was horrendous, if I compare to the original.

After all, people can bash Robin all they want; however, he is going to be on all CD. And if you don't like his playing then don't buy CD. or wait until it comes on itunes so you just can buy the songs where he doesn't collaborate at all.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Robin will play the new gnr songs great because its his style. He is not going to be playing another persons songs. He will also be into his own songs more than just covering slashs solos.

[jemin]

Why do you people get so uptight over this shit. 

I have been a GNR fan for years and I like both eras.  Mostly the old but the new stuff is cool to.

As I said I think he butchers the old solos or at least doesn't play them with the same feeling/sound.  Whereas anything I have heard him play on the new era sounds good.  Definitely not the old sound but still a good sound.  I am interested in what happens on CD when/if it ever comes out.

And while I am sure that he didn't join GNR to just play the old material, that will be a mandate on the tours if that ever happens.  Until they release enough material to by pass most of it.

[rainX]

i might be incredibily biased, but the idea of calling either of them the "lead" isn't fair. richard is FUCKING AMAZING, just check out the Surf Movie soundtrack, the stuff he did with the compulsions, even his first band Pale Divine. All killer fucking guitar work that shows a greater range than anything ever done by a GNR guitarist.  i'm sure they will each do their own thing on the tour. i just can't fucking wait for the two of them jamming on stage together during an interlude.

i know the old songs will always be a part of the show, but if you go to a GNR show and you're there to hear SCOM for the ten millionth time and critique how someone plays it, then you don't fall into the catergory of "desperately waiting for chinese democracy and other new material"

[WARose]

well  i think robin is a great guitar player. you complain about the "sound" of his solos, but i think the "sound" is what makes them great, together with his feelings.  i think the problem for most people here is just, that he doesn`t play exactly the way slash did and mostly for that reason you don`t like his guitar playing...

if you listen to the chinese democracy and the blues solos you can`t tell me he`s not talented. i think those solos really express his style. i mean it`s not proven that they`re written by robin, but it`s pretty sure i think.
anyway i think he plays the old gnr stuff great, but just in his own way.
that goes also for the november rain solo...
 

[jemin]

I wouldn't categorize myself as "desperately" waiting for anything. ?

If they ?tour again I will not be there critiquing anything. ?I will be enjoying the show hopefully. ?

Of course if it was my first time seeing the new band live (which it will not be if they tour) I would definitely be interested in how the new guitarists play some of my favorite songs. ?

Any old GNR fan would out of curiousity.

[jemin]

well? i think robin is a great guitar player. you complain about the "sound" of his solos, but i think the "sound" is what makes them great, together with his feelings.? i think the problem for most people here is just, that he doesn`t play exactly the way slash did and mostly for that reason you don`t like his guitar playing...

if you listen to the chinese democracy and the blues solos you can`t tell me he`s not talented. i think those solos really express his style. i mean it`s not proven that they`re written by robin, but it`s pretty sure i think.
anyway i think he plays the old gnr stuff great, but just in his own way.
that goes also for the november rain solo...
 

I'm not sure if you were adressing my post but if you were please read it again.? I did say that the new songs did sound good.? But that is because those songs are more in tune with his(their) style of guitar playing.

I know that it will not sound like Slash on the old songs.? But it isn't even the same kind of style.

If you weren't adressing my posts then?

Actually either way?

[jimmythegent]

So, you're admitting Fink sucked on that 2002 tour & given enough time in the studio, he can patch together some guitar parts & since no other bands today have quality lead guitarists, this band will fit right in. Cause that's what i got from the post.

the exact thing i thought after reading that

[dave-gnfnr2k]

So, you're admitting Fink sucked on that 2002 tour & given enough time in the studio, he can patch together some guitar parts & since no other bands today have quality lead guitarists, this band will fit right in. Cause that's what i got from the post.

the exact thing i thought after reading that

Of course you would because you have a way of twisting things into what they are not. 

[Genesis]

Just listen those slash nov rain solos they sound just like the ones you bash finck for, but of course when its slash you don't say anything about it.

It's Slash's solo. He can play it any fucking way he likes. But when u're playing someone else's solo, u either play it note for note or u improve upon it (which Robin can't do). You DON'T play it like Robin does. 

[Jim Bob]

Personally, I'm glad Robin is in the band.  I wouldn't want Slash to come back, Robin fits this band much better.   say what you want about him, but I've seen him live in person, and his style actually isn't that far from Slash's.  Robin plays the old stuff very well, and he plays the new stuff we've heard very well.  People bash him because he's not Slash, which is bullshit, but they would bash anyone who was playing lead guitar in GNR because they can't get over the fact that GNR can continue on with or without slash.  oh well.

[February]

Just listen those slash nov rain solos they sound just like the ones you bash finck for, but of course when its slash you don't say anything about it.

It's Slash's solo. He can play it any fucking way he likes. But when u're playing someone else's solo, u either play it note for note or u improve upon it (which Robin can't do). You DON'T play it like Robin does.?

And if you have a bad day and a concert just does't work you shoot yourself in the head, that's what you do when you don't play someone else solo note by note ...........if you really like good music regardless of gender and ?labels try listen to Cirque du solei with robin's contribution, love slash to death but coul he play that? i don't think so, and still that doesen't make him any less taleted.

I love slash to death, but he is gone of GNR and that's not Robin's fault.

[jimmythegent]

A lot of you seem to think gnr will not be taken serious without a great lead guitar player but who really has one? Not many bands have a guitar player with the caliber of a slash or a BH. ITs just a handful and the rest of the bands Finck is just as good if not better.

Also how good Gnr is will be based on their studio album not the live band.it wont matter that BH is not there to play them live or if Finck bends a note too far. All that matters is how they sound on the album, that is what most people will be listening to when they hear the songs.

So, dont worry, the finished product of the studio album will sound great and it wont have Fincks screw ups

"So, you're admitting Fink sucked on that 2002 tour & given enough time in the studio, he can patch together some guitar parts & since no other bands today have quality lead guitarists, this band will fit right in. Cause that's what i got from the post."

please offer your reasons as to how these two posts differ and while youre at it, tell me how Ive twisted your words?

[Pingouirose]

I think some boardmembers here believe they are Axl ! "Fire this one and chose this other one.. 2 keyboards? Beuheu"
Axl doesn't care at all what you're saying, so STFU

[nesquick]

if you listen to the chinese democracy and the blues solos you can`t tell me he`s not talented. i think those solos really express his style. i mean it`s not proven that they`re written by robin, but it`s pretty sure i think.

I give Robin the credit of this solo. I think he did a great job. The blues solo is solid... surprisingly, he plays it with a? bluesy vibe. It's the first time I saw him playing something bluesy. and you see, it works.
But it doesn't stop me thinking the band would be MUCH more credible (and better) with Richard on lead, First, his guitar tone is more appropriate to GN'R, second,he would give a better image of GN'R compared to Robin, the band would be more popular, Richard would attract more new fans, and interest more people. And, the most important thing, the "new" GN'R wouldn't have this weirdo reputation anymore. They would be taken more seriously.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

you guys also forget that music is not only about talent and skills
it's also about style and attitude.

people will always prefer slash, because slash's cool.
it's really basic, really simple. but it's the truth.

slash fuckin' up a solo will always give us more emotions than robin laying down the perfect music.

sad

[ClintroN]

Well, there was a 2002 tour you know...http://vitonen.net/ylimaaraiset/karri/novemberpain.mp3
Sure I will judge Robin after CD is released...but it seems that before, Slash solos are too hard for him.
To compare, It's like an average pupil trying to go to Harvard. The level requiered is too high.

your kiddin' me, dude Robin butches all his solo's, you have no idea what your taliin' about. Sure he was messy here n' there but Slash was just as, if not way worse then him.    Robin is a talented motherfucker man, what he does on November Rain is fucking incredible

[nesquick]

Let's see that http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/fortusnrain.wmv
It's clean, well done, nothing to say. It's well played. Now compare the same solo played by Robin several times (link ahead- november pain).
Who should take the Lead? The answer seems natural to me.