People seem to bash finck and his playing, and talk about gnr without a lead

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I know a lot of people keep saying that gnr do not really have a great lead player if they don't find someone to replace BH. Well, as it seems right now BHs parts will be staying on CD, and even if you hate Fincks playing live, in the studio setting he will get it perfect since he can redo parts Axl or he are not happy with. A lot of you seem to think gnr will not be taken serious without a great lead guitar player but who really has one? Not many bands have a guitar player with the caliber of a slash or a BH. ITs just a handful and the rest of the bands Finck is just as good if not better.

Also how good Gnr is will be based on their studio album not the live band. So if the guitar solos and riffs are great on the album it wont matter that BH is not there to play them live or if Finck bends a note too far. All that matters is how they sound on the album, that is what most people will be listening to when they hear the songs.

The reason certain people here get soo worried is because we just have to go on some live versions of songs that are over 3 years old.? So, dont worry, the finished product of the studio album will sound great and it wont have Fincks screw ups as some of you call them.

[jarmo]

Anybody who isn't Slash and plays lead guitar in GN'R will be bashed.

If Jimi Hendrix was alive and played for GN'R, he would get bashed because he didn't play the November Rain solo like Slash did.

If Axl had gotten, let's say Zakk Wylde, the same thing would've happened too.




/jarmo

[MeanBone]

it's just like aerosmith without joe perry, we all know how that went 

[nesquick]

If Fortus took the Lead he wouldn't be bashed. A lot of people (including me) ask for Richard on lead. Not because we have something against Robin, but simply because we think Richard is better, and because he has the Classic-Rock vibe.

[Genesis]

it's just like aerosmith without joe perry, we all know how that went 

Or UFO without Schenker. Once u lose the magic combination, its lost. And nobody can make it the same again, no matter how good he is.

[GNVR]

I've always said that Robin Finck is not that great a lead guitarist.  Don't get me wrong, he's a solid player but better suited for NIN.

[W. Botaxl Rose]

So, you're admitting Fink sucked on that 2002 tour & given enough time in the studio, he can patch together some guitar parts & since no other bands today have quality lead guitarists, this band will fit right in. Cause that's what i got from the post.

[ClintroN]

If Fortus took the Lead he wouldn't be bashed. A lot of people (including me) ask for Richard on lead. Not because we have something against Robin, but simply because we think Richard is better, and because he has the Classic-Rock vibe.

Fortus is amazing but Finck is the man, his solo's have so much feel in em' i cant get enough of

They both play lead but i think Finck should be the domenant lead player

[dave-gnfnr2k]

So, you're admitting Fink sucked on that 2002 tour & given enough time in the studio, he can patch together some guitar parts & since no other bands today have quality lead guitarists, this band will fit right in. Cause that's what i got from the post.

No don't put words in my mouth.  My point is, on CD buckethead will still be on lead so its not going to matter who the live band is. Also Robins style is more suited toward the industrialish gnr songs why fortus is suited for the more bluesy type. As for patch work, I think Robin is fine, and so what if he blows? a few notes here and there live my point is, in the studio setting they will take his best cut and use that, so there is no point crying that he bends notes too far during the 2002 tour. Robin may not be as good as slash but he is still a very good guitar player better than most bands lead player today.

[jarmo]

A lot of people (including me) ask for Richard on lead. Not because we have something against Robin, but simply because we think Richard is better, and because he has the Classic-Rock vibe.

You don't have something against Robin?

That's very funny!


You don't even know what Robin has done on the new album..... This is like saying you want to replace Ronaldinho on your team because you didn't like the way he played in some pre-season training matches.

Why not judge the guy after you heard his contribution?




/jarmo

[nesquick]

Well, there was a 2002 tour you know...http://vitonen.net/ylimaaraiset/karri/novemberpain.mp3
Sure I will judge Robin after CD is released...but it seems that before, Slash solos are too hard for him.
To compare, It's like an average pupil trying to go to Harvard. The level requiered is too high.

[jemin]

I have been watching some of the 02 shows the last few nights. ?And while I do like the new guys on the new songs. ?I think they butchered most of the solos on most of the old songs. ?

Now I know that they have to have their own interpretation of these songs live. ?I just felt that the solos that they did play for some of the old songs were not very good.

As far as Finck handling the new songs on tour I think he will be fine, but as I haven't heard any of them yet (besides what we have all heard) I can't comment.

[jemin]

Well, there was a 2002 tour you know...http://vitonen.net/ylimaaraiset/karri/novemberpain.mp3
Sure I will judge Robin after CD is released...but it seems that before, Slash solos are too hard for him.
To compare, It's like an average pupil trying to go to Harvard.

I don't know if they were to hard for him but there wasn't any feelings in the solos.? Most of the old songs are blues based/punk based rock.? At least the guitar parts are and he just didn't seem to have that blues feel in the solo.

On the new songs he was more suited for those songs I believe and sounded good.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Well, there was a 2002 tour you know...http://vitonen.net/ylimaaraiset/karri/novemberpain.mp3
Sure I will judge Robin after CD is released...but it seems that before, Slash solos are too hard for him.
To compare, It's like an average pupil trying to go to Harvard. The level requiered is too high.

You can post that link all you want but it proves nothing.  Slash fucked up solos all the time but you always just skip right over that. Robin played nov rain and the gnr songs about 20-30 times in his life while slash played them for 10 years thus is why he could play them easily.  Listen to old school gnr from 86, and slash butchers a lot of the solos because they were new to him. That is something  you and the other robin bashers always fail to realize.

[nesquick]

Robin is in the band since 1997. He didn't join yesterday.
Although I didn't like BH, I never heard him butchering a solo. I also never heard Richard butchering a solo (the man arrived in 2002).
Once again, it's not a question of time, it's a question of talent.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Robin is in the band since 1997. He didn't join yesterday.
Although I didn't like BH, I never heard him butchering a solo. I also never heard Richard butchering a solo (the man arrived in 2002).
Once again, it's not a question of time, it's a question of talent.

Robin has talent, you really think if he didnt two of the most talented people in music would have used him on lead (Axl and Trent). As for Robin being in the band since 1997 like I said he played Nov Rain a handful of times in concert while Slash played it well over 200 maybe more.

But if  you want to talk abot talent here ya go. This is slash playing Nov rain, this is SLASH playing NOT robin.
What do you have to say about this?

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CHXT0C7BMA5U3UKMM6T2IOZ6O

and

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ANKEMGUUF98E0GSXKF99BSR0T

[nesquick]

What do you have to say about this?

Paris'92 show. Watch it and you'll see what the word "talent" means.

[GNVR]

I think they butchered most of the solos on most of the old songs.

I have to agree with you on that one...

[jarmo]

Sure I will judge Robin after CD is released...but it seems that before, Slash solos are too hard for him.
To compare, It's like an average pupil trying to go to Harvard. The level requiered is too high.

Why is it so hard to understand that Robin isn't in GN'R to play the old material?

Do you think he joined just so he can play Slash's parts? Honestly?


If that was the case, Axl could've asked somebody from this board to join because I'm sure there are guitar players here who can play Slash's parts quite nicely.



/jarmo

[Booker Floyd]

Why is it so hard to understand that Robin isn't in GN'R to play the old material?

 

Of course he is.  A more accurate wording would be "Why is it so hard to understand that Robin isn't in GN'R only to play the old material?." but playing old material is still a job requirement  for any guitarist Axl chooses.