The Hurricane Katrina thread

[SLCPUNK]

The mayor of NO has my absolute respect. Talks like a man, not a bullshit artist. He should be our next president.

[Surfrider]

The mayor of NO has my absolute respect. Talks like a man, not a bullshit artist. He should be our next president.

Great, thats all we need, one failure to replace another.  Perhaps the biggest story in this whole thing in my eyes were the looters that decided to try and take advantage of the Hurricane and diverted immediate response teams away from the jobs that they actually should have been doing. 

"In truth, the looters, rapists, and murderers who have terrorized New Orleans since Monday began their post-Katrina reign of terror a full day before the situation grew truly desperate?and it was their increasingly lawless behavior that kept willing but unarmed professional and volunteer rescue workers away from the city and from the poor people who needed saving."

"And the others who stayed behind, unfortunately, are those who terrorize New Orleans on a low-grade level on a good day?and have now taken over the stricken city. What?s happened is the predictable civil deterioration of a city whose fragile civil infrastructure can?t control or contain its core criminal class in peacetime.Good lord, buses left in parking lots instead of used in evacuations."

This thing was unacceptable all the way around.  Once we start the blame game, the Governor nor the Mayor should be left off any list of those that didn't filfill their duties as we would have hoped.

[SLCPUNK]

They both were failed on the FEDERAL level, before, after and during.

[Will]

About the international help: correct me if I'm wrong, but none of it has been accepted just yet by the US...

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

About the international help: correct me if I'm wrong, but none of it has been accepted just yet by the US...

Le Monde said it has.
condoleez rice "kinda" accepted.
but expert are seeing that the us are so shocked to accept help from poor countries, even Sri Lanka offered help.

there is a serious political issue i think.
the usa showed a weak face during 9/11
and now they are showing the poor face.
it's really time for them to work with the rest of the world. they can't go on like that, and have p diddy rolling in a golden mercedes while louisiana looks like Rwanda or some african disaster ...

some german expert brought up that if g w bush did not wipe the global warming issue that fast, the hurricane wouldnt have happened ... its kinda stupid and exagerated.
but there is some truth, if the usa continue playing solo they'll be in trouble again.
as you we can see now, everything is global.
countries mean nothing anymore. patriotism is dead.

[SLCPUNK]

About the international help: correct me if I'm wrong, but none of it has been accepted just yet by the US...

Yea, they haven't accepted all offers, from what I understand. That was a day or so back that I read that though.

[SLCPUNK]

Now would be a good time to start addressing global warming.....the German scientist had some validity to his claims I think.

[POPmetal]

Now I feel even more like a prophet 

[jarmo]

Kuwait gave 500 mil and Qatar 100 mil.? I have been pleasantly suprised by the international community.? Even countries like Pakistan and Afganistan are giving.? I guess we tend to focus on all the negative that the Govt does and we forget the good things they do.? Lots of questions remain unanswered though, some heads are gonna roll for this.? But props to the NO mayor and the General in charge.? Two no shit taking guys!

A lot of help hasn't even arrived there because they don't have the logistics to deal with it.

I read in the paper how Sweden has offered to send a mobile phone network and other supplies, but the plane couldn't leave Gothenburg because they couldn't set it up in USA if they left now.





/jarmo

[Will]

The next US President will be black, and his name will be Nagin!

[SLCPUNK]

Anybody who thinks global warming is NOT aiding to these storms is foolish indeed.

Cell phones would be a tremendous help right now. Drop a few thousand off down there would help quite a bit.

[Drew]

Here's a list of what countries are donating for Hurricane Katrian relief. Some of these offers are shocking and pretty much a slap to the face. And I'm talking about the some of the riches countries in the world and what they offered. I was really impressed when I first heard about countries all over the world that were going to help out with Hurrican Katrina, but the list is rather disapppointing.

As of September 6, the official list of donor countries includes:

Afghanistan - $100,000
Armenia - $100,000
Australia - $7.6 million
Azerbaijan - $500,000
Bahamas - $50,000
Bahrain - $5 million
Bangladesh - $1 million
Belgium - Med/logistics teams to Red Cross
Canada - 2 helos, 32-person rescue team, Air Canada evacuation flights, medical supplies
China - $5.1 million cash and relief supplies
Djibouti - $50,000
Finland - 3 logisticians to Red Cross
France - tents, tarps, MREs, water treatment supplies
Gabon - $500,000
Georgia - $50,000
Germany - MREs and high speed pumps
Greece - cruise ships, private offer
ICRC - web-based tracing system
India - $5 million
Israel - tents, first aid kits, baby formula
Italy - generators, water pumps/purifiers, tents, med supplies
Japan - $1,000,000 cash, generators, tents, blankets, bottled water
Kuwait - $400 million in oil, $100 million cash
Maldives - $25,00 cash
Mexico - bedding, MREs, baby care items, personalhygiene kits
NATO - coordinating European assistance offers
Norway - $1.54 million  in relief supplies
Organization of American States - $25,000 cash
Qatar -$100 million cash
Republic of Korea - $30 million cash and in-kind donations
Saudi Arabia - $255 million from Aramco
Singapore - 3 helos
Sri Lanka - $25,000 cash
Taiwan - $2 million cash, medical supplies
Thailand - Large amounts of food
UAE - $100 million cash
UK - MRE's
UN OCHA - UN Disaster Assessment and Coordination Team and Logisitics support
UN WHO - Public health officers and logisticians
Venezuela - Up to $1 million to Red Cross

http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2005/Sep/06-611544.html

[Sterlingdog]

I like this quote from the head of Jefferson Parish:

"Bureaucracy has murdered people in the greater New Orleans area. And bureaucracy needs to stand trial before Congress today," Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish, said on CBS' "The Early Show."

"So I'm asking Congress, please investigate this now. Take whatever idiot they have at the top of whatever agency and give me a better idiot. Give me a caring idiot. Give me a sensitive idiot. Just don't give me the same idiot."

[SLCPUNK]

Bureaucracy should have gone on trial a long long time ago.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

all we got was food from Britain? Their food is horrible anyway. Haggis anyone?

[POPmetal]

Anybody who thinks global warming is NOT aiding to these storms is foolish indeed.

Cell phones would be a tremendous help right now. Drop a few thousand off down there would help quite a bit.

Right, but there's about as much sound evidence that global warming is caused by human activity, and that it's not a natural cycle, as there is that cell phones cause cancer. It can't be ruled out, but at this point it can't be confirmed either, so it's irresponsible to point fingers as if global warming was for a fact caused by us.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php


Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.


i know it's very TRENDY to hate michael moore. well i like him

[Surfrider]

Anybody who thinks global warming is NOT aiding to these storms is foolish indeed.

Cell phones would be a tremendous help right now. Drop a few thousand off down there would help quite a bit.

Right, but there's about as much sound evidence that global warming is caused by human activity, and that it's not a natural cycle, as there is that cell phones cause cancer. It can't be ruled out, but at this point it can't be confirmed either, so it's irresponsible to point fingers as if global warming was for a fact caused by us.

True, but given the amount of damage (irreparable) that global warming would cause if true, don't you think it would be prudent to take the precautions?

[POPmetal]

Anybody who thinks global warming is NOT aiding to these storms is foolish indeed.

Cell phones would be a tremendous help right now. Drop a few thousand off down there would help quite a bit.

Right, but there's about as much sound evidence that global warming is caused by human activity, and that it's not a natural cycle, as there is that cell phones cause cancer. It can't be ruled out, but at this point it can't be confirmed either, so it's irresponsible to point fingers as if global warming was for a fact caused by us.

True, but given the amount of damage (irreparable) that global warming would cause if true, don't you think it would be prudent to take the precautions?

If it's that serious then we should all take precautions. Under the Kyoto Protocol (which is what Bush is criticized for not signing), China is exempt from the limits imposed on the developed world,? and they are the second largest emitter of greenhouse gasses. So it seems to me like Kyoto is less a sincere effort to combat global warming and more a political device.

[SLCPUNK]

Anybody who thinks global warming is NOT aiding to these storms is foolish indeed.

Cell phones would be a tremendous help right now. Drop a few thousand off down there would help quite a bit.

Right, but there's about as much sound evidence that global warming is caused by human activity, and that it's not a natural cycle, as there is that cell phones cause cancer.

Says you, Mr bad analogy man.