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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2005, 09:49:38 AM »

I saw a lot of pictures on the news paper thats really tragic  Sad, It reminds me here when el ni?o devastate all the harvests in the coast.
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2005, 11:25:08 AM »

They just suspended the evacuation of the Dome because people are shooting at the police.  Meanwhile, Bush is sitting around with his thumb up his ass while people have not had water or food for 2 days.  The South is his voter base and this is how he treats them.  Wow we sure are lucky to have such a great leader (read  sarcasm).
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2005, 11:42:08 AM »

this has been non-stop headline news in London for days and i have been really taken aback at the devastation of these places.  Whilst tony B-liar and Queenie have sent messages of sincere condolences, I have donated to red cross already today.  that comment earlier on this topic about USA stands alone - that's one hell of a sweeping comment that will do nothing but alienate the poster, not the country.  We are behind the troubled states and I really hope that enough aid is sent from all over the world as necessary.   am sure that individuals will be touched enough to donate judging by some of the footage we are seeing - we wont wait for our government to decide or decide not to help. 

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Ps BBC isnt reporting tens of thousands dead jameslofton29 - they are reporting quotes from officials and reporters in the area and dont show overly graphic pics that usa cant handle (your words) - I think any footage shown is pretty graphic to be honest, by the nature of the tragedy.  peace and hope to New O.
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2005, 11:59:58 AM »

They just showed more footage of N.O on CNN, I'm so sad to see these empty streets, the devastated buildings, all the people trying to evacuate...this is chaos over there. And of course, all over the coast...
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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2005, 12:54:04 PM »

They just suspended the evacuation of the Dome because people are shooting at the police.? Meanwhile, Bush is sitting around with his thumb up his ass while people have not had water or food for 2 days.? The South is his voter base and this is how he treats them.? Wow we sure are lucky to have such a great leader (read? sarcasm).


Yesterday Bush mobilized massive amounts of aid to the region and released oil from the reserve. Regardless of your opinion of the president, you don`t have your facts straight.

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« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2005, 01:01:59 PM »

This response should have been immediate not 24-36 hours later.   I was shocked that he cut his vacation short.  I suppose golf is not as important as such a horrible disaster.  I'm sure that if you had just lost everything inthe world to you you would want support and troops there immediately not in a day or so.  The people down there are upset because of this delayed response.
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2005, 01:04:34 PM »

They just suspended the evacuation of the Dome because people are shooting at the police.  Meanwhile, Bush is sitting around with his thumb up his ass while people have not had water or food for 2 days.  The South is his voter base and this is how he treats them.  Wow we sure are lucky to have such a great leader (read  sarcasm).


Yesterday Bush mobilized massive amounts of aid to the region and released oil from the reserve. Regardless of your opinion of the president, you don`t have your facts straight.




as much of a Bush hater i am........ i laugh at people that talk about how long it took for anything to occur....... aid/personel... etc. you have to keep in mind that if you do not have a full understanding of the situation that you are going into... then you will have the wrong assests for teh job at hand....... it takes really 2-3 days to fully understand the situation and deploy based on that info. Yes there are first responders on the ground doing spot rescues and aid, though what is actualy going on is a full regional survey knowing what is on the ground now that can be gained access too, as well as where the  assests are needed the most. Would you want a blanket.... when you've been thirsty for 2 days?.... or a drink of water when your still soaking wet? deployments like this will take several days to get finalised, and the main priority is assment and rescue/relocation. after that then you worry about everything else.
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« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2005, 01:09:36 PM »

They just suspended the evacuation of the Dome because people are shooting at the police.? Meanwhile, Bush is sitting around with his thumb up his ass while people have not had water or food for 2 days.? The South is his voter base and this is how he treats them.? Wow we sure are lucky to have such a great leader (read? sarcasm).


Yesterday Bush mobilized massive amounts of aid to the region and released oil from the reserve. Regardless of your opinion of the president, you don`t have your facts straight.




as much of a Bush hater i am........ i laugh at people that talk about how long it took for anything to occur....... aid/personel... etc. you have to keep in mind that if you do not have a full understanding of the situation that you are going into... then you will have the wrong assests for teh job at hand....... it takes really 2-3 days to fully understand the situation and deploy based on that info. Yes there are first responders on the ground doing spot rescues and aid, though what is actualy going on is a full regional survey knowing what is on the ground now that can be gained access too, as well as where the? assests are needed the most. Would you want a blanket.... when you've been thirsty for 2 days?.... or a drink of water when your still soaking wet? deployments like this will take several days to get finalised, and the main priority is assment and rescue/relocation. after that then you worry about everything else.
I agree with this entire post.  As always, there will be those on the right and the left that will turn everything into a political issue and find ways to take political shots.
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« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2005, 01:09:46 PM »

I`m sure Bush had to meet with his advisers first before he took action. I would think it would take time to figure out the logistics of a course of action, it is not like you could snap your fingers and say send in the supplies ( where are the supplies coming from? can you get supplies into the city, how are they gonna get there? is ground transportation possible? etc) You have to meet with people who are looking into these things so you can figure out how you are gonna get aid to a 90,000 square mile area.

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« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2005, 01:16:29 PM »

'A scene of anarchy'

Editor's Note: CNN correspondents report back on what they are seeing in New Orleans and other Gulf Coast communities hit by Hurricane Katrina.

Living like animals

Posted: 1:07 p.m. ET
CNN's Chris Lawrence in New Orleans, Louisiana

It's hard to believe this is New Orleans.

We spent the last few hours at the New Orleans Convention Center. There are thousands of people lying in the street.

We saw mothers holding babies, some of them just three, four and five months old, living in horrible conditions. Diapers littered the ground. Feces were on the ground. Sewage was spilled all around.

These people are being forced to live like animals. When you look at the mothers, your heart just breaks.

Some of the images we have gathered are very, very graphic.

We saw dead bodies. People are dying at the center and there is no one to get them. We saw a grandmother in a wheelchair pushed up to the wall and covered with a sheet. Right next to her was another dead body wrapped in a white sheet.

Right in front of us a man went into a seizure on the ground. No one here has medical training. There is nowhere to evacuate these people to.

People have been sitting there without food and water and waiting. They are asking -- "When are the buses coming? When are they coming to help us?"

We just had to say we don't know.

The people tell us that National Guard units have come by as a show of force. They have tossed some military rations out. People are eating potato chips to survive and are looting some of the stores nearby for food and drink. It is not the kind of food these people need.

They are saying, "Don't leave us here to die. We are stuck here. Why can't they send the buses? Are they going to leave us here to die?"


'We have to deal with the living'

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CNN's Rick Sanchez in Metairie, Louisiana

We spent the night at the New Orleans Saints' training facility. It is the encampment for the FEMA officials and National Guard troops who will deploy out to certain areas.

They just deployed a new unit out here from California. They're called swift water operation rescue units. These folks are trained to go in and get people out of the homes that they have been stuck in for days now with water all around.

We were with a unit last night on a boat. We watched as they performed many of these rescues. It's quite a sight to see. Bodies are floating along the flooded road. And I asked them, "What do you do about that?" They said, "There's no time to deal with them now. We have to deal with the living."

See the video of thousands stranded among sewage and bodies on the riverfront -- 2:54

We went off into many communities to see if we could find people. As we were navigating through these narrow areas with power lines and all kinds of obstructions above and below us, we suddenly heard faint screams coming from homes. People were yelling, "Help! Help!"

We found one elderly woman in one home. She told us, "I've been here and I need to get out. Can you get me?" Then she said, "But there are people next door and they have babies, so leave me until morning. Get them out now."

So we contacted the swift water rescue units and they went out there. To our surprise and their surprise there were no fewer than 15 people huddled in their home. We could only hear them. We couldn't see them. We were able to assist and get the right people over there to get them out.

Just like them, there may be literally thousands that need to be rescued. It's a very daunting task for these officials.


Chaos at the convention center

The New Orleans Convention Center has become a major gathering place for displaced residents.WATCH Browse/Search

New Orleans a 'refugee camp.' (1:14)?
? Up to 60,000 trying to flee New Orleans
 
CNN's Jim Spellman in New Orleans, Louisiana

I don't think I really have the vocabulary for this situation.

We just heard a couple of gunshots go off. There's a building smoldering a block away. People are picking through whatever is left in the stores right now. They are walking the streets because they have nowhere else to go.

Right now, I'm a few blocks away from the New Orleans Convention Center area. We drove through there earlier, and it was unbelievable. Thousands and thousands and thousands of people spent the night sleeping on the street, on the sidewalk, on the median.

The Convention Center is a place that people were told to go to because it would be safe. In fact, it is a scene of anarchy.

There is absolutely nobody in control. There is no National Guard, no police, no information to be had.

The Convention Center is next to the Mississippi River. Many people who are sleeping there feel that a boat is going to come and get them. Or they think a bus is going to come. But no buses have come. No boats have come. They think water is going come. No water has come. And they have no food.

As we drove by, people screamed out to us -- "Do you have water? Do you have food? Do you have any information for us?"

We had none of those.

Probably the most disturbing thing is that people at the Convention Center are starting to pass away and there is simply nothing to do with their bodies. There is nowhere to put them. There is no one who can do anything with them. This is making everybody very, very upset.


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« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2005, 01:17:26 PM »

Yah, can we leave Mr. Bush and the administration out of one thread, and simply discuss the tragedy.
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« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2005, 01:20:23 PM »

There's one thing I don't understand: are the reporters in N.O dying like the rest of the citizens? I mean, they have to go back to their HQ or their local offices, right? And they have to go back to N.O by whatever means they have. Can't they bring back some water and food? (the reporter in the story was saying they didn't have any of those to help out the citizens).
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« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2005, 01:34:31 PM »

There's one thing I don't understand: are the reporters in N.O dying like the rest of the citizens? I mean, they have to go back to their HQ or their local offices, right? And they have to go back to N.O by whatever means they have. Can't they bring back some water and food? (the reporter in the story was saying they didn't have any of those to help out the citizens).


well we wont bother talking aout reporters..... more worried about getting a story of someone dieing then tring to help them....... not that i know of this happening... im jsut saying... you think they would be tring to aid in what ever means they can.... or the networks a least.... and yes i do understand that by them getting the info out to the masses its jsut they spin some stories and make it worse then what it is just for teh ratings.... ... bah reporters
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« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2005, 02:53:20 PM »

I updated my post with the article with more reports.
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« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2005, 02:59:48 PM »

I have donated to red cross already today.  that comment earlier on this topic about USA stands alone - that's one hell of a sweeping comment that will do nothing but alienate the poster, not the country.  We are behind the troubled states and I really hope that enough aid is sent from all over the world as necessary.   am sure that individuals will be touched enough to donate judging by some of the footage we are seeing - we wont wait for our government to decide or decide not to help. 

That's very thoughtful of you, babydolls.  I was also compelled to donate to the Red Cross after reading these mad news stories about people looting and shooting - it's almost too shocking to comprehend.   no


There is a site (http://www.charitywatch.org/) that evaluates charities based on various factors, and these ones came out on top, in case anyone would like to make a donation:

American Red Cross http://www.redcross.org  1-800-HELP-NOW

America's Second Harvest http://www.secondharvest.org/  1-800-771-2303

Church World Service http://www.churchworldservice.org/ 1-800-297-1516

MAZON: A Jewish Response to Hunger http://www.mazon.org/  310-442-0020

Salvation Army http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/ 1-800-725-2769
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« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2005, 03:34:39 PM »

I have donated to red cross already today.  that comment earlier on this topic about USA stands alone - that's one hell of a sweeping comment that will do nothing but alienate the poster, not the country.  We are behind the troubled states and I really hope that enough aid is sent from all over the world as necessary.   am sure that individuals will be touched enough to donate judging by some of the footage we are seeing - we wont wait for our government to decide or decide not to help. 

That's very thoughtful of you, babydolls.  I was also compelled to donate to the Red Cross after reading these mad news stories about people looting and shooting - it's almost too shocking to comprehend.   no


There is a site (http://www.charitywatch.org/) that evaluates charities based on various factors, and these ones came out on top, in case anyone would like to make a donation:

American Red Cross http://www.redcross.org  1-800-HELP-NOW

America's Second Harvest http://www.secondharvest.org/  1-800-771-2303

Church World Service http://www.churchworldservice.org/ 1-800-297-1516

MAZON: A Jewish Response to Hunger http://www.mazon.org/  310-442-0020

Salvation Army http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/ 1-800-725-2769

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« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2005, 03:35:41 PM »

Yah, can we leave Mr. Bush and the administration out of one thread, and simply discuss the tragedy.

Amen brother. Its a human trajedy, not a political problem.
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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2005, 05:09:30 PM »

Yes, I realize that this is a horrible tragedy and politics should be left out but when you look at the Bush response to the Florida Hurricanes of 2004 there is a vast difference.  In 04 Bush declared Florida a disaster area before the first storm was over, troops were already stationed nearby and the aid package was out of this world.  Why the difference?  2004 was an election year and Bush badly needed FLA voters and brother Jeb is the govener.  Bush needed to endear himself to the citizens of Florida because no FLA = no 2nd term.
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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2005, 06:00:09 PM »

Yes, I realize that this is a horrible tragedy and politics should be left out but when you look at the Bush response to the Florida Hurricanes of 2004 there is a vast difference.? In 04 Bush declared Florida a disaster area before the first storm was over, troops were already stationed nearby and the aid package was out of this world.? Why the difference?? 2004 was an election year and Bush badly needed FLA voters and brother Jeb is the govener.? Bush needed to endear himself to the citizens of Florida because no FLA = no 2nd term.
Fine, he did it for political reasons.  He doesn't want to help because it allows oil companies to jack up oil prices in the short term.  He should be impeached.  I think Congress should forget about meeting to pass relief measures, and instead should file impeachment articles against Bush. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2005, 06:23:05 PM »

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