long awaited gnr album vs axl rose album

[Jim Bob]

why can't you just accept things for how they are? whining and bitching about not agreeing with axl taking the name (something you've been spending years doing) is not going to convince him to drop the name.

and its not that axl can't get it out of park.. you don't know, maybe he just doesn't feel like it right now, which is his right.

let me explain it to you in geek terms
Guns N' Roses 2005 !=  Slash || DUFF || anyone else who was in the original lineup

so if you arne't happy with it, i think a vr forum wuld be a better place, because i dont come to gnr boards to see people slag off the people in the band. 

[Mikkamakka]

I'm afraid you are the dumbest guy on Earth if you can't realize the power of the Guns N' Roses name comparing even to the good Axl Rose brand. A lot of people will buy it cause they won't know that it's only Axl's solo project. A lot of other people will buy it because the 'long-awaited Guns N' Roses album' will create more buzz than a 'first solo album of the ex-Guns N' Roses frontman Axl Rose' promo. BTW a lot more people would buy it if it had at least Slash or Izzy on it and not only Axl.

How will they not know? The GNr situation is widely known. And will be known when promo begins for the album. Unless you live in a box, theyll know. You still havnt answered my question. Why would some1 buy the album if they already know the gnr situation? Just to have a gnr album? makes no sense. They will be buying it because of Axl, the curiosity,and because of the quality of the new material.

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We here are hardcore GN'R fans. Most of the softcore fans simply think that they broke up, others think that they aren't doing anything. Some know that Axl carries on the GN'R name.

But let me ask you 2 questions:

-Why did Axl promote the 2002 'Chinese Democracy World Tour' as 'Eight years later they are back'? Who they? Axl? Or Axl and Dizzy?  No, it meant Guns N' Roses.

-Why did Axl keep the name?

[Jim Bob]

dave it's called the band broke up.. just because the lead singer won't budge and makes his friends or mates try to do things his way doesn't mean he stuck anything out... You're supposed to be open to your band's ideas, not turn them so off with your own shit that they feel they are in a dictarship rather then a band.  Axl didn't stick it out, the band broke up, he's and some of the people here are just to blind to realise it..

when did the band break up?  dave is absolutely right, you obvoiusly know nothing about Axl Rose and how he has everyone contribute to the songwriting and recording process.. all the guys in the band said so.    all you do is bash axl and blame him for everything that went wrong in the old band, when in fact, everyone involved played some kind of part in the demise of the old band.  but there was never a point when gnr 'broke up'.. its always been guns. 

[jarmo]

If you and several others would get off your knees waiting to give Axl a blowjob(unfortunately for you, he wont whip his dick out),

Post something stupid like that again and you'll have more time to spend on other boards.



/jarmo

[Mikkamakka]

Saying I saw QUEEN, THE DOORS or whatever other band who lost their lead singer is the same.. people want to say they saw those bands .. Conversation pieces, seing soemthing known around the world.. Anyone can be in the band, it's the name getting asses in those seats..

Very good examples. Those bands had sold-out tours in the last 1 or 2 years. And Freddie is dead, you know, Deacon wasn't there, Queen was only Brian May and Taylor. And people were happy to see and hear the old songs and they didn't care that only half of the band was here, and Queen's emblematic Freddie wasn't. Name sells, past sells, illusion sells.

[ppbebe]

Saying I saw QUEEN, THE DOORS or whatever other band who lost their lead singer is the same.. people want to say they saw those bands .. Conversation pieces, seing soemthing known around the world.. Anyone can be in the band, it's the name getting asses in those seats..

Very good examples. Those bands had sold-out tours in the last 1 or 2 years. And Freddie is dead, you know, Deacon wasn't there, Queen was only Brian May and Taylor. And people were happy to see and hear the old songs and they didn't care that only half of the band was here, and Queen's emblematic Freddie wasn't. Name sells, past sells, illusion sells.

Too bad. If Axl had that kind of mindset, he'd have tons of albums n shows already.
It wouldn't be Chinese Democracy nor this lineup.
And perhaps it wouldn't have caught my eyes n ears.

[younggunner]

Most of the softcore fans simply think that they broke up, others think that they aren't doing anything. Some know that Axl carries on the GN'R name.

Bullshit. The majority of rock fans know the gnr situation in terms of whos not in the band and that Axl has decided to keep the name.

Why did Axl promote the 2002 'Chinese Democracy World Tour' as 'Eight years later they are back'? Who they? Axl? Or Axl and Dizzy?? ?No, it meant Guns N' Roses.

Because it seems at the time, the plan was to continue that tour with the release of CD. Listen to what Axl says at the vmas. As it turned out it was stupid for them to call it the CD tour because they didnt have an album outr and they never released 1 during that tour. So as it turns out it was a dumb thing to do. As was most of the planning was for that tour. As I have said countless times.

-Why did Axl keep the name?

Do you really want to beat a dead horse?
Axl has kept the name because he feels GNR isnt over. One era is complete. A new one is waiting in the wings

[Carlos_f_Rose]

question about sales


How do you think a new album (cd) billed as a long awaited gnr album would do vs an axl rose album alone?

What would be the difference in opening week sales??

I say an axl rose only album without the name sells about 250,000-300,000.. Long awaited gnr album sells about 450,000-500,000 opening week..

and yes we all know axl is gnr but just give me your opinions on how the two would differ in sales with the same exact person behind the band..

it could go like david lee roth solo from van halen or great like ozzy minus black sabbath..

Well man, Ii must differ.... Axl Rose alone, is not GNR,  GNR are Axl, Slash and Duff anyway I rather to have an Axl Rose album, than a NU GNR album,  by the way, I agree with you with the figures...

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Some of you really need to move on. Its just a damn name of a band, get over it already.

[mikegiuliana]

why can't you just accept things for how they are? whining and bitching about not agreeing with axl taking the name (something you've been spending years doing) is not going to convince him to drop the name.

and its not that axl can't get it out of park.. you don't know, maybe he just doesn't feel like it right now, which is his right.

let me explain it to you in geek terms
Guns N' Roses 2005 !=? Slash || DUFF || anyone else who was in the original lineup

so if you arne't happy with it, i think a vr forum wuld be a better place, because i dont come to gnr boards to see people slag off the people in the band.?

how does everything with gnr end in go to a vr board..  Is this a new gnr only axl forum or a gnr forum past present?

Some of you really need to move on. Its just a damn name of a band, get over it already.

that made me laugh

[Jim Bob]

why can't you just accept things for how they are? whining and bitching about not agreeing with axl taking the name (something you've been spending years doing) is not going to convince him to drop the name.

and its not that axl can't get it out of park.. you don't know, maybe he just doesn't feel like it right now, which is his right.

let me explain it to you in geek terms
Guns N' Roses 2005 !=  Slash || DUFF || anyone else who was in the original lineup

so if you arne't happy with it, i think a vr forum wuld be a better place, because i dont come to gnr boards to see people slag off the people in the band. 

how does everything with gnr end in go to a vr board..  Is this a new gnr only axl forum or a gnr forum past present?

Some of you really need to move on. Its just a damn name of a band, get over it already.

that made me laugh

why have you been banned from so many fuckin gnr forums man.. because you only go to them to cause shit.  you don't support the band, all you do is whine and moan about shit you have no control over and shit that happened years ago.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

why can't you just accept things for how they are? whining and bitching about not agreeing with axl taking the name (something you've been spending years doing) is not going to convince him to drop the name.

and its not that axl can't get it out of park.. you don't know, maybe he just doesn't feel like it right now, which is his right.

let me explain it to you in geek terms
Guns N' Roses 2005 !=? Slash || DUFF || anyone else who was in the original lineup

so if you arne't happy with it, i think a vr forum wuld be a better place, because i dont come to gnr boards to see people slag off the people in the band.?

how does everything with gnr end in go to a vr board..? Is this a new gnr only axl forum or a gnr forum past present?

Some of you really need to move on. Its just a damn name of a band, get over it already.

that made me laugh

And that made  you laugh how? The fact that  you cant get over the fact Slash is no longer in guns n roses. Like it or not, CD will come out at some point and like it or not its not going to have slash on it, and like it or not its going to  be called guns n r roses new album.

[WAR41]

dave, we have moved on, but it is not bad thing to look back on Axl and other band member's decisions and debate whether or not it was the best choice for them to make at that time.  Obviously people have different opinions on it. 

I don't mind a heated debate, but when people refuse to even consider another's opinion for a second, then it becomes a mud slinging contest like what we have here now.  You have to put yourself in some one else's shoes and see what would make them say that.  I don't think you or younggunner are capable of doing that.  Therefore whenever some one brings up an argument that differs from yours, you get all emotional about it and attack people. 

Mike is not trying to cause shit.  He may be playing devil's advocate, but he does not come out and say 'you are a fucking idiot for thinking this way' like the rest of you are doing.  He actually uses facts and well thought out ideas to explain his stance.  Now keep in mind that I am defending him and him and I have disagreed on multiple topics on this forum.  But even though him and I don't see eye to eye I can see that he has his opinion and he backs it up. 

And back to an earlier post by younggunner to me. "Well maybe dont you think that if people are cracking jokes and making fun of gnr they are implying they know the situation."

If you read what I typed, I said that people start making fun of Axl and the rest of the band AFTER I explain the situation to them.  Its not like I bring up the topic of GNR and people start talking about Buckethead, Tommy, etc.  I have to tell them what is going on then they start making fun of the band. 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

dave, we have moved on, but it is not bad thing to look back on Axl and other band member's decisions and debate whether or not it was the best choice for them to make at that time.? Obviously people have different opinions on it.?

I don't mind a heated debate, but when people refuse to even consider another's opinion for a second, then it becomes a mud slinging contest like what we have here now.? You have to put yourself in some one else's shoes and see what would make them say that.? I don't think you or younggunner are capable of doing that.? Therefore whenever some one brings up an argument that differs from yours, you get all emotional about it and attack people.?

Mike is not trying to cause shit.? He may be playing devil's advocate, but he does not come out and say 'you are a fucking idiot for thinking this way' like the rest of you are doing.? He actually uses facts and well thought out ideas to explain his stance.? Now keep in mind that I am defending him and him and I have disagreed on multiple topics on this forum.? But even though him and I don't see eye to eye I can see that he has his opinion and he backs it up.?

And back to an earlier post by younggunner to me. "Well maybe dont you think that if people are cracking jokes and making fun of gnr they are implying they know the situation."

If you read what I typed, I said that people start making fun of Axl and the rest of the band AFTER I explain the situation to them.? Its not like I bring up the topic of GNR and people start talking about Buckethead, Tommy, etc.? I have to tell them what is going on then they start making fun of the band.?

You have not moved on it you keep talking about Axl still using the gnr name.

[WAR41]

good comeback....

why do you even read these posts then if you have moved on?  Clearly you have to remind everyone that they have not moved on, but why is it so important to you?  Just live in your bubble where Axl Rose is you god and he can do nothing wrong.  Read the posts you want to and agree with them and ignore all of the posts by us 'Axl bashers' who 'live in the past'. 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

good comeback....

why do you even read these posts then if you have moved on?? Clearly you have to remind everyone that they have not moved on, but why is it so important to you?? Just live in your bubble where Axl Rose is you god and he can do nothing wrong.? Read the posts you want to and agree with them and ignore all of the posts by us 'Axl bashers' who 'live in the past'.?

Its important to me so every thread about the new band or cd does not turn into Axl should not be calling this band gnr, because that is what always happens.

[WAR41]

well in case you did not notice, that was the purpose of this thread, so your input was not neccesary.  It asked the question of whether or not this album would have the same impact if it was not a GNR cd.  It did not turn into a thread of Axl using the GNR name, it was one to begin with.  So why bother with it? 

mike specifically states off the bat "and yes we all know axl is gnr but just give me your opinions on how the two would differ in sales with the same exact person behind the band.."

He also says "it could go like david lee roth solo from van halen or great like ozzy minus black sabbath.."

He was not bashing Axl at all.  It was an honest question.  You and others were the one who turned it into a personal attack/insult thread. 

[younggunner]

If you read what I typed, I said that people start making fun of Axl and the rest of the band AFTER I explain the situation to them.  Its not like I bring up the topic of GNR and people start talking about Buckethead, Tommy, etc.  I have to tell them what is going on then they start making fun of the band. 

And if you read what i said then you would answer the question. Wther they know about what is going on with gnr or whos in the band is irrelevant.What they do know is that the the band broke up and that SLash and company arent in it anymore

[WAR41]

so, what you meant to say the whole time, is that in general people know that the old GNR is broken up and that Slash and the older guys aren't involved anymore.  YES I AGREE!  You should have explained that from the beginning.  So how does that factor into your earlier argument?  I do not understand why you made it a point to make that clear.  How will that help album sales, how will that effect the perceptions of the 'hardcore' (your words) gnr fanbase?  I am not following you there. 

[tomass74]

Axl should move on.....Swallow his fucking ego, grow some balls and release this album as an Axl Rose album.... If peopel are still bitching about it after all these years maybe it still matters to people. He should have some respect for Gn'R fans.