long awaited gnr album vs axl rose album

[jarmo]

wrong.. TSI sold crappy because the era had changed to grunge and azxl had a crap video out there like SIDHY.. people were sick of those ballads... Live era came out in 99 during a heavy rock rap craze... Same reason oh my god was off the airwaves within a few months.. Gnr was out at those times... Release live era or tsi in 91 and it sells millions..

Yeah, because GN'R were a popular band in 1991.

But when the band isn't popular, you can't just sell ten million copies just with the name alone.


The name GN'R will sell more and that's why you see Gilby's albums promoted as "Gilby Clarke (ex GN'R)". But it won't automatically make the album a hit album today.....




/jarmo

[dave-gnfnr2k]

people that would pick up a new gnr album might not pick up an axl rose album..

I think an Axl Rose CD would sell 100,000-150,000 on the first week, but it'll be a miracle if it sells more than 1-1,5 million in its first year (or till the Doom's Day). But a Guns N' Roses album with Axl Rose and other guys (who aren't Slash) will sell 500,000- 1 million on the first week, 1,5-2 million in its first month and at least 3-5 million in its first year.

This is one of the dumbest things Ive ever read. If an Axl Rose solo album consists of no names and a new GNR album consist of Axl Rose and no names what the fuck is the Difference?
Your really making a mockery of people and thier intelligence with a post liek that. So because it says GNR on the front your telling me that people will buy it anyways. EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THAT ITS NOT OLD GNR. BUT THIER LITTLE GIRLS AND NEED TO HAVE A GNR ALBUM? I cant stop laughing.

I'm afraid you are the dumbest guy on Earth if you can't realize the power of the Guns N' Roses name comparing even to the good Axl Rose brand. A lot of people will buy it cause they won't know that it's only Axl's solo project. A lot of other people will buy it because the 'long-awaited Guns N' Roses album' will create more buzz than a 'first solo album of the ex-Guns N' Roses frontman Axl Rose' promo. BTW a lot more people would buy it if it had at least Slash or Izzy on it and not only Axl.

You have to be kidding me, and that will be the excuse people like you have when CD sells very well. You will claim its just? because of the name and not how good it is. With people like you and a few others? you will never give axl credit. You love to claim how slash was such a big part of gnr yet his solo album snake pit bombed big time.

Axl could have a different band name and it will still sell millions. The gnr name will help out in sales but people like you talk outside both of your mouths.

Dave, I know you have serious problems with reading, so...

If CD sells 3 millions than I will think that it was crap or mediocre at best since the Guns N' Roses name itself would sell that quantity.

If CD sells like 5 millions or even more then I will admit that it is a popular album.

If CD sells 7-8 millions then I will admit that it's a huge success.

If CD sells only 10 copies but I will love it then i won't care about the sales and I will say it's a masterpiece. (Like I think that 5 O'clock is a masterpiece.) If I like it better than AFD or anything I will admit that. I'm not such a fanboy like you or YG who doesn't like something just because 'Slash made it' or 'An ex-member without Axl made it'.

BTW Slash was a huge part of Guns N' Roses. Who thinks (or tells) the opposite is fuckin' crazy.

How many people are you going to bash in one post? Like I said people like you crack me up, no matter how well CD does people like you will have an excuse. You have proven yourself once again, thanks for proving my point.

[mikegiuliana]

well dave I think the best way for axl to prove his doubters is to take his new band, his new music and use a new name.. That way he can say the album sold good or bad because of how the music was, not because of what the name said.. I know this is difficult for some to comprehend, but it would be very accurate on how much axl rose and his music is in demand..

people see the name gnr they want to have it.. Dopey kids are walking around with gnr t shirts that aren't even fans, they may know a song or whatever but they are trendy and gnr and ac/dc or any bands like that are trendy.. SO just on that it shows it doesn't matter who's in the band, people just want to say I SAW GNR, I OWN A GNR ALBUM.. it's pop culture..

Saying I saw QUEEN, THE DOORS or whatever other band who lost their lead singer is the same.. people want to say they saw those bands .. Conversation pieces, seing soemthing known around the world.. Anyone can be in the band, it's the name getting asses in those seats..

people wear CBGB's shirts all the time, they visit the club, and that has nothing to do with the music there now, it's because of the reputation of the club,... people can tell their friends I went to CBGB's..

Ant I still don't think many people really know anything abou the gnr situation.. granted some do ,you have the blabbermouth n metal sludge types that read all the news but otherwise people don't know shit..  When people hear the long awaited first piece of new music since 91 they will think different things.. Some might think it's still slash n axl at least..

Bands I followed close as a teen I have no clue what form they are now.. I just hear this one or that one is coming out with an album, I auctomatically assume the guys I expect to be in the band to be there.. Not everyone loves bands so much that they follow each move n step..

[dave-gnfnr2k]

well dave I think the best way for axl to prove his doubters is to take his new band, his new music and use a new name.. That way he can say the album sold good or bad because of how the music was, not because of what the name said.. I know this is difficult for some to comprehend, but it would be very accurate on how much axl rose and his music is in demand..

people see the name gnr they want to have it.. Dopey kids are walking around with gnr t shirts that aren't even fans, they may know a song or whatever but they are trendy and gnr and ac/dc or any bands like that are trendy.. SO just on that it shows it doesn't matter who's in the band, people just want to say I SAW GNR, I OWN A GNR ALBUM.. it's pop culture..

Saying I saw QUEEN, THE DOORS or whatever other band who lost their lead singer is the same.. people want to say they saw those bands .. Conversation pieces, seing soemthing known around the world.. Anyone can be in the band, it's the name getting asses in those seats..

people wear CBGB's shirts all the time, they visit the club, and that has nothing to do with the music there now, it's because of the reputation of the club,... people can tell their friends I went to CBGB's..

Ant I still don't think many people really know anything abou the gnr situation.. granted some do ,you have the blabbermouth n metal sludge types that read all the news but otherwise people don't know shit..? When people hear the long awaited first piece of new music since 91 they will think different things.. Some might think it's still slash n axl at least..

Bands I followed close as a teen I have no clue what form they are now.. I just hear this one or that one is coming out with an album, I auctomatically assume the guys I expect to be in the band to be there.. Not everyone loves bands so much that they follow each move n step..

Why would he do that? Axl put his heart and soul into this band called guns n roses, while izzy, duff, and slash all quit, Axl stuck it out and rebuilt it. He had the name before slash and duff so its his.  Also you really think that interscope that put 15m into the album would let Axl drop the gnr name?

When it comes down to it, who cares what the name is. Its going to be Axl without, izzy, duff and slash and we will see what can can do when the album finaly comes out.

If the album is amazing no one is going to care if slash is not in the band its that simple. Yes a few people or reviews will bash axl for it, but that is come to be expected.

[WAR41]

Dude he is not suggesting that Axl should have done that, he is saying IF Axl truly wanted to prove all of his doubters wrong then that is the path he would have taken.  Like mike said, it would show that Axl did not hijack the name and he was still a success.  So that is the answer to your question of "Why would he do that?"  You are thinking all on emotion rather than logic.

And also, here is a tough question... do you think Interscope would have dropped 15 million if he decided from the beginning that it would not be a GNR album???  I am going with no for the same reasons discussed before. 

Just step back and see both sides for once.  I UNDERSTAND the whole "he put his heart and soul" into the band explanation and I also understand the explanation that mike gave.  I happen to agree with mike's explanation a lot more than yours.  I dont even think you understand or can comprehend what he (and many others) are saying.  If you can at least admit that you can see why mike and others (myself included) make those statements then we can put this thread to sleep. 

[W. Botaxl Rose]

It really is amazing to me that there's people on here who can't/won't realize that brand names help move units no matter what the product. Did you all make it past the 2nd grade or what? 

[jameslofton29]

This new generation doesn't give a fuck about Axl. There's this cool website I go to that discusses all kinds of things concerning 80's,90's and this decade. I did a poll concerning Chinese Democracy. 68% didn't care about it. Axl has a steep mountain to climb. Mike makes a valid point. Do you guys know why kids are wearing GNR, Pink Floyd, and Led Zep tshirts to school? Because those shirts are $5-$10 at Walmart and Kmart. Those kids couldnt name one song from either of those bands if their lives depended on it. My cousin is one of those kids. She wears a Pink Floyd shirt to school and doesn't know one pink floyd song. So young people know the brand names, but not much else. People hearing Jungle at sporting events wont play much of a factor either. But if GNR sells exremely well to this new generation, it will be because of the GNR name, and not the name Axl Rose. If Axl wanted to sell shitloads based on himself, he should have released it in 2002 during the couple weeks the young people knew who he was. Now they dont care.

[mikegiuliana]

It really is amazing to me that there's people on here who can't/won't realize that brand names help move units no matter what the product. Did you all make it past the 2nd grade or what??

that's all I was trying to say...

james another point I was making about gnr with kids, treendy trendy trendy.. Selll record too..

War 41 same thing, good points still things I was trying to point out

And dave. There's no losers in these discussions, you just need to play both sides once in a while and understand what a lot of us are saying.. No need to run to axl's rescue

The idea is interscope wouldn't give axl 13 or 15 million for an album without knowing the gnr name was part of the deal.. That's his saviour right there, his insurance and the record companies..

If the album is amazing no one is going to care if slash is not in the band its that simple.

  do you think everyone is like you man.. people have loyalty and resepect the members who made the best band of the past 20 years.. A lot of people are jaded n spoiled, they think every gnr album has to be this mind blowing album while everythiong axl doesn't work on is shit.. if axl did some frequent work he would have some fillers and lemons too.. I always viewed cd as the greatest album in message board member's heads.. The best album in the history of rock to never see the light of day...

Why would he do that? Axl put his heart and soul into this band called guns n roses, while izzy, duff, and slash all quit,

dave it's called the band broke up.. just because the lead singer won't budge and makes his friends or mates try to do things his way doesn't mean he stuck anything out... You're supposed to be open to your band's ideas, not turn them so off with your own shit that they feel they are in a dictarship rather then a band.  Axl didn't stick it out, the band broke up, he's and some of the people here are just to blind to realise it.. he managaed to make a band, I give him credit but he hasn't done anything with the gnr name.. 3 week tour, two riots, mentions of cd for 6 years already, band can't tell what is what.. These guys are playing side gigs, dizzy is playing high school halftime shows.. instead if axl was a good guy the people he picked would be living high on the hog instead of doing a drum clinic, working with nena and not working with gnr.. Tommy has been in gnr how many years?? 8 years.. Does anyone even know this.. Howe much did the real gnr accomplish in that amount of time?? They only made the biggest debut album ever and were the biggest band in the world..

[jameslofton29]

Great post Mike. I liked the part about CD being the greatest album in forum members heads. Thats the fucking truth. Before I became a member here, I used to check out this site occasionally over the years. This was the only place I ever heard about CD. The rest of the universe doesn't give a shit. During this 12 year absence, the only time Axl had the whole world's attention was the 2002 VMA's. It was the one and only time that different generations were talking about him. Kids, gangbangers, old men, drug dealers, etc. It was also the first time since 91 I had seen girls talking about Axl. And that was just in my town! I cant even imagine the response in NY or LA. Hopefully. for his sake, he can duplicate that moment in time. But this time, have a fucking album to back up the hype!

[younggunner]

Dopey kids are walking around with gnr t shirts that aren't even fans, they may know a song or whatever but they are trendy and gnr and ac/dc or any bands like that are trendy.. SO just on that it shows it doesn't matter who's in the band, people just want to say I SAW GNR, I OWN A GNR ALBUM.. it's pop culture..

I think your the only dope walking around if you think that kids will go to a gnr show so that they can say they saw GNr or buy CD because they want to have a GNR album.

They will go to those shows because of the product that GNR delivers.

[quoteWhen people hear the long awaited first piece of new music since 91 they will think different things.. Some might think it's still slash n axl at least..

another want ur cake and eat it too example

It really is amazing to me that there's people on here who can't/won't realize that brand names help move units no matter what the product. Did you all make it past the 2nd grade or what?

It also amazes me to see how some peopel think the majority of consumers out there are stupid. Do people in protest buy products that they are against? ?People know about the gnr situation. They know that when the album comes out IT WONT BE THE OLD BAND. If they arent happy with that notion they wont buy the album. Just like some people dont buy certain things because it contains certain ingredients...and get this...the even brighter people wont buy the album if it sux. They wont buy it because its a name brand. This isnt fukin clothing. this isnt sports. Its music.

STOP THE FUKIN PRESSES HERE COMES THE BIGGEST CONTRADICITION. HERES WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT....

This new generation doesn't give a fuck about Axl. There's this cool website I go to that discusses all kinds of things concerning 80's,90's and this decade. I did a poll concerning Chinese Democracy. 68% didn't care about it. Axl has a steep mountain to climb.

So Axl is the guy who rubs peopel the wrong way because he broke up the band, is a poser, sux, yadayday etc...yet people will buy that album because...

But if GNR sells exremely well to this new generation, it will be because of the GNR name, and not the name Axl Rose. If Axl wanted to sell shitloads based on himself, he should have released it in 2002 during the couple weeks the young people knew who he was. Now they dont care.

Get a fukin life. You people are pathetic. So Axl should have USED the GNR name to sell CD when he was playing the OLD material. Um fukin A. isnt that in actuality milking the gnr name.
 I dont get how Axl can have an uphill climb yet still be able to sell records?Boggels my fukin mind.
Shut the fuk up already with this bullshit. All you people fail to realize that AXL is the drawing card here. You just cant see past your tophats. Or ur burning ciggs. It has nothing to do with the old musical contributions. We know what they mean and what they did. But in terms of popularity and curiosity...AXL TAKES THE CAKE. Leaving the world while in ur hands, going away for a decade and not giving a fuk about u, record comapnies or anything, is the reason why Axl will sell records not the name. THE NAME WILL HAVE ITS BENEFITS.
But the MUSIC will ultimately determine hwo well this band does. THE MUSIC WILL DO 4 THINGS,1) It will add to the legacy of GNr, or 2) ?it will add to the legacy of gnr. If it bombs it will raise the old material even more.
3) if its a success it will raise the status of Axl 4} it will bring Axl down some nothces.

instead if axl was a good guy the people he picked would be living high on the hog instead of doing a drum clinic, working with nena and not working with gnr..

then id hear u crying that these guys have no mucial hunger and that they are in it for the moeny

[jameslofton29]

younggunner, up until your previous post, i enjoyed reading your posts and you were one of the memorable people here. Not anymore. Nothing I said was a contradiction. And if you have nothing better to do than insult me and mike, then you need to take your own advice and get a life. That shit about us not seeing past our tophats and cigs is pathetic. If you and several others would get off your knees waiting to give Axl a blowjob(unfortunately for you, he wont whip his dick out), you could look at this from reality's point of view. You need to realize that everything in the universe isn't Axl VS Slash.

[younggunner]

That shit about us not seeing past our tophats and cigs is pathetic. If you and several others would get off your knees waiting to give Axl a blowjob(unfortunately for you, he wont whip his dick out), you could look at this from reality's point of view. You need to realize that everything in the universe isn't Axl VS Slash.

lol another 1...

how come its ok for peopel around here to label others nutswingers and such all these yrs but when i say something like that u begon to shed a tear. I never see you or any1 else here take the time out and say what you said to the people who lable other posters nutswingers.

and if u really payed attention to my posts you would know that i dont think everything is axl vs slash. im not liek others around here. actually as the pasy yr or so has gfone by i dont really even care that much liek i used. this topic reheated soem thinsg though. Its just the double standards i see..its liek axl can never win. im not saying hes an angel or he deserves to win. or is the victim. but it just seems that IF he does succeeede in the future some peopel here will never give him tghe props simply because Slash and company will always be in the shadows. no matter how "successful" they are

me personally i dont care bout the old guys that much. their new music doesnt get me excited liek their old music does. but thats just me and i could careless if it works or doesnt work for u. but axl and new gnr do. they excite me and it pisses me off when i read certain stuff around here.

[killingvector]

I doubt Axl would have received the support from the label, in terms of production costs, quality of facilities and personnel, if this were an Axl Rose solo album. If using the name and spirit of Guns N Roses allows him to spend the time, money, blood and sweat which he feels necessary to create the album that he has envisioned, to recruit the players he feels can create the necessary sound, and the production staff capable of enfusing the material with a modern edge, then let the man alone.

Judge him on his final product and not on what you think he should be doing. I trust those who work day to day on this project above those pundits who feel they know better. Forum and former band members included.

The only way the name on this record affects any of us is determining what aisle we have to walk to in the local sam goody. Get over the name issue and move on.

[WAR41]

jesus christ man, relax.... you are acting like some rich chick who didn't get the $800 Coach purse that she wanted for Christmas. 

It is clear as day in your post that you are basing everything on emotion rather than using logic.  Your passion for Axl Rose and GNR is very evident.  Like dave, you refuse to stand back and take a look at both sides.  You choose to only see it your way and not even acknowledge the other side. 

I think its hilarious that you dont think people would go to a GNR show to say they were there.  Did you not go to school at all?  I remember in middle school all of us who got to see Natural Born Killers opening weekend were the coolest kids ever.  Some went just because there was so much hype and controversy about it.  I also know tons of people in college who went to see Dave Matthews (I hate him and no I never went) just so that they could tell people they were there and to party with their friends.  I know you are just so 'independent' that you are not interested in fitting in, but for some people it does matter.  Now I eagerly await the "oh you and your loser friends can't think for yourself" response.   

Again you mention that "people know about the GNR situation".  Well, which people know about it?  I am dying to know because I live in a city and most people I talk to about GNR laugh at the state of the band WHEN I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO THEM.  Most people have no clue of what is going on.  And yes, people DO buy things that are a name brand.  I don't know how else to even attempt to explain this to you so I implore you to educate yourself and go take a marketing class.  Please, for your sake and the sake of this message board, go take a marketing class.

And there is no need to call people out for being 'pathetic' and telling them to 'get a fukin life'.  You are getting upset over posts on a message board.  A MESSAGE BOARD.  I feel bad for anyone who has to talk to you on a daily basis in person.  Stop being so emotional and relax.  Oh wait, I forgot, your hero Axl was always a loose cannon so that means you have to be too. 

[younggunner]

I think its hilarious that you dont think people would go to a GNR show to say they were there.  Did you not go to school at all?  I remember in middle school all of us who got to see Natural Born Killers opening weekend were the coolest kids ever.  Some went just because there was so much hype and controversy about it.  I also know tons of people in college who went to see Dave Matthews (I hate him and no I never went) just so that they could tell people they were there and to party with their friends.  I know you are just so 'independent' that you are not interested in fitting in, but for some people it does matter.  Now I eagerly await the "oh you and your loser friends can't think for yourself" response.   

no the correct response is that the "followers" would actually be following the people who know the situation. So in reality the peopel that can make the choice by themselves are going because of what I mentioned earlier.

Again you mention that "people know about the GNR situation".  Well, which people know about it?  I am dying to know because I live in a city and most people I talk to about GNR laugh at the state of the band WHEN I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO THEM.  Most people have no clue of what is going on.

Well maybe dont you think that if people are cracking jokes and making fun of gnr they are implying they know the situation. or atleast have a clue. As I said earlier I know most people dont know what is going on with gnr. We barely know. But that is way different then not knowing whos NOT int the band. i could careless if they know who bucket is or if hes gone. They know that Axl is a selfish asshole and is in a band with NONE OF THE OLD MEMBERS YET HAS STILL CALLED IT GNR. That much is KNOWN..
You dont need to be taking surveys or samples. If peopel make fun of gnr they know whats goin on. and thats my point.

Oh wait, I forgot, your hero Axl was always a loose cannon so that means you have to be too. 

Yes like the millions of other music and gnr fans we cant think for ourselves so when the next gnr album comes out we will go out and buy it because its the trendy thing to do and its a household name lol...

[dave-gnfnr2k]

This new generation doesn't give a fuck about Axl. There's this cool website I go to that discusses all kinds of things concerning 80's,90's and this decade. I did a poll concerning Chinese Democracy. 68% didn't care about it. Axl has a steep mountain to climb. Mike makes a valid point. Do you guys know why kids are wearing GNR, Pink Floyd, and Led Zep tshirts to school? Because those shirts are $5-$10 at Walmart and Kmart. Those kids couldnt name one song from either of those bands if their lives depended on it. My cousin is one of those kids. She wears a Pink Floyd shirt to school and doesn't know one pink floyd song. So young people know the brand names, but not much else. People hearing Jungle at sporting events wont play much of a factor either. But if GNR sells exremely well to this new generation, it will be because of the GNR name, and not the name Axl Rose. If Axl wanted to sell shitloads based on himself, he should have released it in 2002 during the couple weeks the young people knew who he was. Now they dont care.

That is funny since the day the GHs came out I was in best buy and i saw about 10 kids that were no older than 18 or 19 picking it up. I also know of kids are work that are going to be a freshman in college and are into guns n n roses.  You can spin it how ever  you want but look at the VMAs, and the ovation axl got. If im not mistaken that was one of the highest rated segements in MTV history for the Vmas, but of course that was not for axl right?? 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

jesus christ man, relax.... you are acting like some rich chick who didn't get the $800 Coach purse that she wanted for Christmas.?

It is clear as day in your post that you are basing everything on emotion rather than using logic.? Your passion for Axl Rose and GNR is very evident.? Like dave, you refuse to stand back and take a look at both sides.? You choose to only see it your way and not even acknowledge the other side.?

I think its hilarious that you dont think people would go to a GNR show to say they were there.? Did you not go to school at all?? I remember in middle school all of us who got to see Natural Born Killers opening weekend were the coolest kids ever.? Some went just because there was so much hype and controversy about it.? I also know tons of people in college who went to see Dave Matthews (I hate him and no I never went) just so that they could tell people they were there and to party with their friends.? I know you are just so 'independent' that you are not interested in fitting in, but for some people it does matter.? Now I eagerly await the "oh you and your loser friends can't think for yourself" response.? ?

Again you mention that "people know about the GNR situation".? Well, which people know about it?? I am dying to know because I live in a city and most people I talk to about GNR laugh at the state of the band WHEN I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT TO THEM.? Most people have no clue of what is going on.? And yes, people DO buy things that are a name brand.? I don't know how else to even attempt to explain this to you so I implore you to educate yourself and go take a marketing class.? Please, for your sake and the sake of this message board, go take a marketing class.

And there is no need to call people out for being 'pathetic' and telling them to 'get a fukin life'.? You are getting upset over posts on a message board.? A MESSAGE BOARD.? I feel bad for anyone who has to talk to you on a daily basis in person.? Stop being so emotional and relax.? Oh wait, I forgot, your hero Axl was always a loose cannon so that means you have to be too.?

You seem to be the one getting upset at the posts that are pro Axl. The fact is like I said before no matter how well CD does you wont give Axl credit for it. You will just claim its because of the gnr name, then if it bombs you will say see Axl ruined the gnr name, so either way its a no win for axl.  The people that come here to consantly bash axl or the new band are pathetic and should get a life. You dont think they have better things to do than come to  message board and bad mouth axl all the time?

[Jim Bob]

slashites suck and should go to a fuckkin VR forum and leave the real fans alone.

[jabba2]

No group photo exists of Axl and newGNR, not even offstage. Thats troubling because Axl has to sell this as GNR and not just the Axl Rose band. Axl treats the band publicly like they are not GNR....

[mikegiuliana]

slashites suck and should go to a fuckkin VR forum and leave the real fans alone.

Stop using your vr blanket for everyone who isn't happy about these situations
do you ever say anything different.. James lofton actually doesn't like vr's work so far.. Not everyone who views the situation about the name or the delays n lies are expressing this because they live vr.. Didn't know this was a forum to speak of new gnr only.. 
You added nothing to this conversation except to show that if it's anything anti axl or realistic you will cry they are vr fans so they lie they should go somewhere else..
Dave man you really don't look at things from both sides... I mean do you throw on your bike shorts with bandana and light some candles before you log on and swoon to your axl posters and say to yourself "axl I got your back"?

Some can't understand why people would go see something just because it's trendy or popular in general or controversial.... People don't understand that a name can be more powerfull then the actual people who make the product/music..

Most of the conversation here is good debating, people really expressing their feelings.. All real gnr fans wether more then, then now..

War 41 makes a lot of sence.. The love for axl, the emotion prevents certain people from seeing the flip side of everything...

Relax people axl isn't taking names down and going to invite you up to sing the other part of KOHD for sticking up for him on the interweb let this one be LOUD

Some people act like I did when I was a kid defending axl,, we're not those people.. I have followed gnr since they started, I want an album just like you do.. I just have different views on the name, axl's ways since he came back..

then id hear u crying that these guys have no mucial hunger and that they are in it for the moeny

dude so far from the truth, I love when others speak for me.. If none of them were doing anything now I would think thye might be working on something for axl, or they live a more private life... All I meant was they could be doing arenas n stadiums and instead thye have to do trvial things because axl can't get it out of park..