long awaited gnr album vs axl rose album

[jabba2]

Here is a quote from Al Jardine, the ex Beach Boys member

Q: You're no longer leading the Beach Boys Family & Friends band?

A: Not anymore. Mike Love put the screws to that. I'm not allowed to use the Beach Boys name in any form.

Q: You tour with your sons, Matt and Adam, right?

A: Yeah, with our Endless Summer Band. The Beach Boys name is far more valuable though. You could put a band of orangutans on a stage with that name and you'd have promoters selling out tickets everywhere.


As Al states the Beach Boys name is very important regardless how many old members are in it. I think Axl and GNR are also linked in this way.

[younggunner]

Axl rose these days doesn't have the weight behind him.. For everyone that knows gnr some don't know who axl rose is.. It is quite trendy these days to like old bands, but it doesn't mean you need to know the lead singer's name to have a gnr album or two in your cd collection

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And thats exactely my point. If young kids dont know or dont care about the old gnr situation what would make them go out and buy the album otherwise? The music, the singles!. If Axl doesnt have any pull then who cares what name hes using?

If Axl doesnt mean much these days why would people go out and buy a guns n roses record?Explain that to me.

Axl's fan base will definetly buy an axl rose solo album, the trouble is how big is that axl rose fan base these days??

The old time gnr fan who knows the whole gnr situation will buy this album. Unless they absolutely are 10000% hardcore against him for doin what hes doing. Other than that all the old fans are gonna check it out.

I like several bands out there but I couldn't name the lead singer, but the band name I would know right away..

No new lead singer today comes close to the popularity and status Axl and GNr achieved back in the day. You know why you dont know lead singers names? Because there all garbage aside from a cool song here and there or maybe if ur lucky an album.
Axl was the last real primadonna rockstar. People new him. peopel loved him. people hated him. Theres a huge difference between Axl Rose and the lead singer from MY Chemical ROmance or whatvever is popular right now.

An Axl ROse solo album is still bigger than a SLash solo album unless the band is still together. If the old band were still together and Axl did his own little project of course it wouldnt have the mystique and curiosiuty CD has today. No SHit. But being that the band IS BROKEN UP, and the majority of the peopel know that, and the majority of the peopel know that it has been 1 major delay...CD is bigger than all that. People wanna know why. What the hell is he up to.

Whether they wanna see him achieve or fall flat on his fcae they are gonna check it out. And then when some kid from Madagascar or Idaho hears the new single on the radio and thinks its the greatest thing goin he will go buy the album and be a NEW gnr fan. He will go into this without any allegiances or biasis. Just in it for the music he has heard.

Then if hes smart he will check out the old material. And then he will be able to have heard 2 great eras of mucis. Wth 1 common denominator?

[mikegiuliana]

And thats exactely my point. If young kids dont know or dont care about the old gnr situation what would make them go out and buy the album otherwise? The music, the singles!. If Axl doesnt have any pull then who cares what name hes using?

If Axl doesnt mean much these days why would people go out and buy a guns n roses record?Explain that to me.

My thing was we or most of us feel axl is gnr.. I never said axl doesn't have any pull I just said the gnr name has the pull.. So the name use to sell albums and book shows is what makes all the difference.. When I started this topic I was asking the forum bros n sisters how they feel an album would sell between it billed as gnr or axl's project??

As I said a lot of people feel axl is gnr, but even though without using the gnr name an axl rose project wouldn't sell that much in comparison.. So to me the gnr name is more important then any individual member of the band sales wise.. If he did something like a solo project in say 92 it might have went triple platinum because he had world notiriety.. Now it's like you have the people from late 20's to 40's that know axl but how many still buy tons of music?? I sure as hell know I bought tons when I was in HS but now it's rare because I have a great collection of music..

I never said axl doesn't mean anything these days.. It's just the gnr name brings people out.. people that would pick up a new gnr album might not pick up an axl rose album.. it's something about people and established names..

years back wouldn't you think a van halen david lee roth album would both do good..? people still bought tons of vh with sammy but dlr suffered as a solo artist big time..

[mikegiuliana]

Here is a quote from Al Jardine, the ex Beach Boys member

Q: You're no longer leading the Beach Boys Family & Friends band?

A: Not anymore. Mike Love put the screws to that. I'm not allowed to use the Beach Boys name in any form.

Q: You tour with your sons, Matt and Adam, right?

A: Yeah, with our Endless Summer Band. The Beach Boys name is far more valuable though. You could put a band of orangutans on a stage with that name and you'd have promoters selling out tickets everywhere.


As Al states the Beach Boys name is very important regardless how many old members are in it. I think Axl and GNR are also linked in this way.

A: Yeah, with our Endless Summer Band. The Beach Boys name is far more valuable though. You could put a band of orangutans on a stage with that name and you'd have promoters selling out tickets everywhere.

that last quote speaks volumes of what I am saying, it's weird but the name is what carries the weight not always the members..

[Mikkamakka]

I think an Axl Rose CD would sell 100,000-150,000 on the first week, but it'll be a miracle if it sells more than 1-1,5 million in its first year (or till the Doom's Day). But a Guns N' Roses album with Axl Rose and other guys (who aren't Slash) will sell 500,000- 1 million on the first week, 1,5-2 million in its first month and at least 3-5 million in its first year. It's the difference. If the album is great, Axl can be a huge star again with using (milking) the Guns N' Roses brand. But under his own name he could never be a huge star again. Not because he's not talwnted just because people want to have Guns N' Roses albums and not Axl Rose albums.

[mikegiuliana]

I think an Axl Rose CD would sell 100,000-150,000 on the first week, but it'll be a miracle if it sells more than 1-1,5 million in its first year (or till the Doom's Day). But a Guns N' Roses album with Axl Rose and other guys (who aren't Slash) will sell 500,000- 1 million on the first week, 1,5-2 million in its first month and at least 3-5 million in its first year. It's the difference. If the album is great, Axl can be a huge star again with using (milking) the Guns N' Roses brand. But under his own name he could never be a huge star again. Not because he's not talwnted just because people want to have Guns N' Roses albums and not Axl Rose albums.

little in the year 2000 refrence from conan

I agree you are saying a lot of how I feel...

people just love the big name, they want to say I saw gnr live.. Rather then say I saw the axl rose project even though in so many words this is an axl rose project..

Fuck james hetfield could do a solo project but it would never sell out each show like a metallica concert..

Axl has the unlimited time and bankroll because he owns the gnr name.. That's why he has free range and they are patient with him.. Without the gnr name the people wouldn't feel as confident and he would have to provide them with something quicker, plus he would have to really do some promo to get his name out there today.. On the flip side all he has to do is say the new gnr album that's long awaited is coming out..

Does anyone really care about tommy lee's solo projects or vince neil's projects?? But fucking people will sell out the arenas in no time to see motley crue.. There is something about the guys together contributing.. Now this isn't about how good the music is, it's about people want to see those famous bands or at least their famous names..

people buy calvin kline jeans for a lot of money, or prada.. Why not just buy the same jeans or bag cheaper??

[younggunner]

people that would pick up a new gnr album might not pick up an axl rose album..

I think an Axl Rose CD would sell 100,000-150,000 on the first week, but it'll be a miracle if it sells more than 1-1,5 million in its first year (or till the Doom's Day). But a Guns N' Roses album with Axl Rose and other guys (who aren't Slash) will sell 500,000- 1 million on the first week, 1,5-2 million in its first month and at least 3-5 million in its first year.

This is one of the dumbest things Ive ever read. If an Axl Rose solo album consists of no names and a new GNR album consist of Axl Rose and no names what the fuck is the Difference?
Your really making a mockery of people and thier intelligence with a post liek that. So because it says GNR on the front your telling me that people will buy it anyways. EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THAT ITS NOT OLD GNR. BUT THIER LITTLE GIRLS AND NEED TO HAVE A GNR ALBUM? I cant stop laughing.

Fuck james hetfield could do a solo project but it would never sell out each show like a metallica concert..

If Metallica broke up when they were big and Hetfield went away for a few yrs and decided to come back he sure as hell could.

Axl can be a huge star again with using (milking) the Guns N' Roses brand. But under his own name he could never be a huge star again. Not because he's not talwnted just because people want to have Guns N' Roses albums and not Axl Rose albums

Whats the difference between  A GnR album with Axl and the new band and an Axl solo album with Axl and the new band?

Axl milking the name? Milking the name would mean Axl would have released a few albums by now. Not really caring about anything other than using the name for his musical vision. Yet Axl wont release anything until hes ready and feels the material stands up to what the name means.

You peopel really need to come up with something else. No doubt the gnr name will help. It is a known name. BUT ITS IS ALSO KNOWN THAT THE OLD MEMBERS ARENT IN THE BAND. THEY HAVE THIER OWN BAND. IT IS KNOWN THAT ITS A COMPLETE NEW BAND. SO WHAT THE HELL DOES THE NAME MEAN NOW? OTHER THAN IT WAS A BAND BACK IN THE DAY WHO WAS HUGE BUT DOESNT HAVE ANY OF THE ORIGNAL MEMBERS EXCEPT 1. I just dont get it.

This isnt sports where u more than usually root for the team not the players. In music what attracts you to a band is the peopel in it. The music that is made from it not the NAME.

Does anyone really care about tommy lee's solo projects or vince neil's projects?? But fucking people will sell out the arenas in no time to see motley crue.. There is something about the guys together contributing.. Now this isn't about how good the music is, it's about people want to see those famous bands or at least their famous names..

Your missing the dam point. Your not telling the whole story. This isnt any ordianry solo project or situation. In case you misse dit...

GNr left the music scene with world in their hands. Bam, gone no more. The players that were are gone. The story is well known. This isnt an ordinary solo project.Big difference between that and a oridanry solo album.

The best way to relate i to todays music worl is lets say Eminem or some other rapper had a band. And he and that band were equally big. Then the band goes away right now when that band and genre is huge. The band brakes up but jayz keeps the name. He goes mia for a decade. He would have a shitload of interest a decade from now because people are gonna wonder why, what is he up to. Name or not. They know that it will be a completely different band.
So there are only 2 things that will make them get an album. 1} the member that is left 2} the music is good....

thats it its not that fukin hard to figure out

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I think an Axl Rose CD would sell 100,000-150,000 on the first week, but it'll be a miracle if it sells more than 1-1,5 million in its first year (or till the Doom's Day). But a Guns N' Roses album with Axl Rose and other guys (who aren't Slash) will sell 500,000- 1 million on the first week, 1,5-2 million in its first month and at least 3-5 million in its first year. It's the difference. If the album is great, Axl can be a huge star again with using (milking) the Guns N' Roses brand. But under his own name he could never be a huge star again. Not because he's not talwnted just because people want to have Guns N' Roses albums and not Axl Rose albums.

You have to be kidding me, and that will be the excuse people like you have when CD sells very well. You will claim its just? because of the name and not how good it is. With people like you and a few others? you will never give axl credit. You love to claim how slash was such a big part of gnr yet his solo album snake pit bombed big time.

Axl could have a different band name and it will still sell millions. The gnr name will help out in sales but people like you talk outside both of your mouths.

[Mikkamakka]

people that would pick up a new gnr album might not pick up an axl rose album..

I think an Axl Rose CD would sell 100,000-150,000 on the first week, but it'll be a miracle if it sells more than 1-1,5 million in its first year (or till the Doom's Day). But a Guns N' Roses album with Axl Rose and other guys (who aren't Slash) will sell 500,000- 1 million on the first week, 1,5-2 million in its first month and at least 3-5 million in its first year.

This is one of the dumbest things Ive ever read. If an Axl Rose solo album consists of no names and a new GNR album consist of Axl Rose and no names what the fuck is the Difference?
Your really making a mockery of people and thier intelligence with a post liek that. So because it says GNR on the front your telling me that people will buy it anyways. EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW THAT ITS NOT OLD GNR. BUT THIER LITTLE GIRLS AND NEED TO HAVE A GNR ALBUM? I cant stop laughing.

I'm afraid you are the dumbest guy on Earth if you can't realize the power of the Guns N' Roses name comparing even to the good Axl Rose brand. A lot of people will buy it cause they won't know that it's only Axl's solo project. A lot of other people will buy it because the 'long-awaited Guns N' Roses album' will create more buzz than a 'first solo album of the ex-Guns N' Roses frontman Axl Rose' promo. BTW a lot more people would buy it if it had at least Slash or Izzy on it and not only Axl.

You have to be kidding me, and that will be the excuse people like you have when CD sells very well. You will claim its just  because of the name and not how good it is. With people like you and a few others  you will never give axl credit. You love to claim how slash was such a big part of gnr yet his solo album snake pit bombed big time.

Axl could have a different band name and it will still sell millions. The gnr name will help out in sales but people like you talk outside both of your mouths.

Dave, I know you have serious problems with reading, so...

If CD sells 3 millions than I will think that it was crap or mediocre at best since the Guns N' Roses name itself would sell that quantity.

If CD sells like 5 millions or even more then I will admit that it is a popular album.

If CD sells 7-8 millions then I will admit that it's a huge success.

If CD sells only 10 copies but I will love it then i won't care about the sales and I will say it's a masterpiece. (Like I think that 5 O'clock is a masterpiece.) If I like it better than AFD or anything I will admit that. I'm not such a fanboy like you or YG who doesn't like something just because 'Slash made it' or 'An ex-member without Axl made it'.

BTW Slash was a huge part of Guns N' Roses. Who thinks (or tells) the opposite is fuckin' crazy.

[younggunner]

I'm afraid you are the dumbest guy on Earth if you can't realize the power of the Guns N' Roses name comparing even to the good Axl Rose brand. A lot of people will buy it cause they won't know that it's only Axl's solo project. A lot of other people will buy it because the 'long-awaited Guns N' Roses album' will create more buzz than a 'first solo album of the ex-Guns N' Roses frontman Axl Rose' promo. BTW a lot more people would buy it if it had at least Slash or Izzy on it and not only Axl.

How will they not know? The GNr situation is widely known. And will be known when promo begins for the album. Unless you live in a box, theyll know. You still havnt answered my question. Why would some1 buy the album if they already know the gnr situation? Just to have a gnr album? makes no sense. They will be buying it because of Axl, the curiosity,and because of the quality of the new material.

BTW Slash was a huge part of Guns N' Roses. Who thinks (or tells) the opposite is fuckin' crazy.

no1 is trying to dfeny that. But hes doesnt have the drawing power that Axl has. Axl is the lead singer. naturally he gets more of the attention. Again if the roles were reversed there wouldnt be the same amount of curiosity that there is here.

[ppbebe]

people buy calvin kline jeans for a lot of money, or prada.. Why not just buy the same jeans or bag cheaper??

Actually most people buy 3 Levis for the price of 1 cK. (BTW, cK underwear is good)
Majority carry no brand bags and no prada.

Only the brand fanatics buy stuff for the brand name. people look for better quality, design and price. The name may guarantee those requirements to some extinct but that's that. sold of a price, products are judged by the quality and the design.
The same is true with music.

Does anyone really care about tommy lee's solo projects or vince neil's projects?? But fucking people will sell out the arenas in no time to see motley crue.. There is something about the guys together contributing.. Now this isn't about how good the music is, it's about people want to see those famous bands or at least their famous names..

Yeah,
People seem to care Rage against machine or Foo fighters.

As far as I know, The name Axl Rose alone is almost as notorious as GN'R.
I guess solo project is not Axl's bag either. Apparently He's a great leader and a collaborator.

[nesquick]

It will sell more than an "axl rose solo album" but less than a real Guns n' Roses album with Slash.
I hope big sales, but without Slash it will be very hard. It will also be very hard to fill big places without Slash when the band gets on tour.
Slash was almost 50% of the success of GN'R alone. Just his name can bring thousands people.

[jarmo]

"The Spaghetti Incident?" was labeled with the Guns N' Roses name.
Live Era as well.

Those weren't huge successes compared to what the band put out before them.


Greatist Hits sold because it contained, hits!



/jarmo

[WARose]

i think a gnr album would deifnitely sell more than an axl rose solo album. even if you don`t like it, the gnr name is bigger than axl`s, which is almost as popular i guess.

by the way it doesn`t matter how the album is called and how much it sells, because if it`s a great album (IT WILL BE!!) we`ll  enjoy it wether it`s released under the gnr name or anyone else`s.

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Fuck james hetfield could do a solo project but it would never sell out each show like a metallica concert..

If Metallica broke up when they were big and Hetfield went away for a few yrs and decided to come back he sure as hell could.

well i don`t think he could. i don`t think you can compare gnr/axl to metallica/hetfield.

It will sell more than an "axl rose solo album" but less than a real Guns n' Roses album with Slash.
I hope big sales, but without Slash it will be very hard. It will also be very hard to fill big places without Slash when the band gets on tour.
Slash was almost 50% of the success of GN'R alone. Just his name can bring thousands people.

first, i don`t think a "real" gnr album would sell more than chinese democracy might will and i don`t think it will be hard to fill big venues without slash. gnr sold out the msg in less than 15 minutes, without an album, without promotion and WITHOUT SLASH. it`s just an example anyway.
 slash wasn`t 50% of the success of gnr either, whereas he was and is a cool guy.

and i DON`T want to start a discussion about who?s the man that made gnr popular!

[sandman]

my guess is that IF gnr ever release a new album, it will sell about 200K in the opening week.

if it was the axl rose album, it would sell about 50K.

i believe the gnr name is extremely powerful.

[mikegiuliana]

people don't know the gnr situation like we do, the new gnr came n went.. When people hear a new gnr album is coming out they have no idea who;'s in the band unless they have been following the drama.. When oh my god was coming around I had no idea who was in the band. I was out breaking my ass I wasn't sitting online following the drama.. I just knew  a few years before the band had started to break up, for all I know they could had made up..

The gnr name will sell albums regardless of who is in the band,, people are attracted to the name..

How people can't see why a axl rose album won't sell like a gnr labled album is beyond me...

Axl can have a shit album and it will sell tons if it's billed as gnr.. The gnr name itself has a massive following..

Tell me this then why would a vince neil solo project tank, but if a motley crue tour n album will sell good?? Aren't they both fronted by the same guy..?

[mikegiuliana]

"The Spaghetti Incident?" was labeled with the Guns N' Roses name.
Live Era as well.

Those weren't huge successes compared to what the band put out before them.


Greatist Hits sold because it contained, hits!



/jarmo

wrong.. TSI sold crappy because the era had changed to grunge and azxl had a crap video out there like SIDHY.. people were sick of those ballads... Live era came out in 99 during a heavy rock rap craze... Same reason oh my god was off the airwaves within a few months.. Gnr was out at those times... Release live era or tsi in 91 and it sells millions..

GH's sold well because people wanted some good music, the times have changed.. Nothing is dominating the rock scene. Just crappy emo.

If a korn album came out tomorrow it would tank, the sound is out of style, same phase gnr went through with grunge n rap rock... lets see how a 7 time platinum rocker like kid rock would do with a new album.. be lucky to go gold.. Timing is everything

[WAR41]

what a lot of you have said is absolutely true.  Brand recognition is VERY important in any kind of marketing/sales.  The people at Interscope know this too.  It is all about a value proposition.  The name Guns N Roses is very nostalgic for many people.  A new Guns N Roses album means more to people than The Axl Rose Project or something along those lines.  It evokes emotions and memories of the old band and the good times they have associated with the music and more importantly, that name. 

Honestly, for anyone who believes that the name 'Guns N Roses' will not help Chinese Democracy's album sales has got to have a reality check.  Go to school and take a basic marketing class. 

And YoungGunner "How will they not know? The GNr situation is widely known. And will be known when promo begins for the album. Unless you live in a box, theyll know. You still havnt answered my question. Why would some1 buy the album if they already know the gnr situation? Just to have a gnr album? makes no sense. They will be buying it because of Axl, the curiosity,and because of the quality of the new material."

Wow.... just wow.  The GNR situation is not widely known.  I have a challenge for you.  Go to work, school, etc. and pick a random sample of 30 people.  It must be completely random.  Ask those people what is going on with GNR.  Do not mislead them, just ask them 'hey have you heard what is going on with GNR?'.  I guarantee you that if you are lucky 5 people will know what is going on with them.  No one knows that Buckethead left, no one knows who the make up of the band is, no one knows what the titles of the new songs are, and no one knows that GNR have a 'new' song on the End of Days soundtrack.  You have got to come back down to Earth buddy. 

As it has been stated numerous times, outside of this fan forum and other fan sites/forums, not many people know or better yet, care to know what is going on with GNR.  There are billions of people in this world, and believe it or not they are not all GNR fans and they are not all rock fans. 

[younggunner]

Axl can have a shit album and it will sell tons if it's billed as gnr.. The gnr name itself has a massive following..

Your not making sense. Of course the GNr name has a massive follwoing. Axl Rose is a big reason for that! And guess what hes still in the band.
What is the difference between a shit Axl ROse solo album and a shit axl album under gnr? WIll the people continue to buy it if its shit only because its called GN? Your not making sense.

Tell me this then why would a vince neil solo project tank, but if a motley crue tour n album will sell good?? Aren't they both fronted by the same guy.

Did you not read what I posted? This is not an ordinary solo project. Axl Rose is not an ordinary singer. The guy is a nut who is interesting. If him, or RObert Plant did the same thing Axl has done at the PINNACLE OF THEIR CAREERS it wouldnt be the smae as an ordinary run of the mill solo album.

Until you realize that you wont understand why the name doesnt mean as much as u think it does.

I have a challenge for you.  Go to work, school, etc. and pick a random sample of 30 people.  It must be completely random.  Ask those people what is going on with GNR.  Do not mislead them, just ask them 'hey have you heard what is going on with GNR?'.  I guarantee you that if you are lucky 5 people will know what is going on with them.  No one knows that Buckethead left, no one knows who the make up of the band is, no one knows what the titles of the new songs are, and no one knows that GNR have a 'new' song on the End of Days soundtrack.  You have got to come back down to Earth buddy. 

Its not the point of knowing whats goin on. Its the point of what is not there. And what is widely known is...what is not there...whos not there? Slash,Duff and Izzy. Any rock music fan knows this. Now whether they know who is in new gnr is besides the point.
In fact thats a benefit for this band. they are like a new band. And what will attract peopel to the band is Axl and the new music that appears not the name....

ill say it again.
Music is not sports. You dont root for the jersey. In music you become a fan because of the music and personalities of the band members. 3 of those bandmembers are gone. The only thing that remains is Axl. So if you support him you will listen to the new material. If you hear the single on the radio and u liek it u will be the album and possible become a fan of not just Axl but the other guys as well. Its not rocket science..

and i agree that the name helps. it def does. but not as much as u think in terms of music sales. more from the business end than anything else.

Fact is people will buy this album basically for 2 reasons...
1) the whole mystique curioisty factor that Axl has created
2)the music they hear.

what person goes to a record store and buys an album that they dont liek the music and hate all the members in that band. Because its the name? lol are we serious here boys n girls?

[WAR41]

so you are telling me that Sony makes good audio and video equipment?  Yes I am telling you that people associate certain things with a name and it improves sales tremendously.  And again, if you take a marketing class you will see that it happens more often that you think it does. 

Look at all the GNR cover and tribute bands out there.  They have their band name, and then after the name it says "A tribute band to Guns N Roses" or something along those lines.  People see the name GNR, and instantly they recognize it.  I bought the Steve Jones album a while ago that Axl does backing vocals on.  Guess what?  On the wrapper it had a sticker that said 'featuring Axl Rose of Guns N Roses".  Back in the day when they were still around and fighting for recognition I bought the Vision of Disorder album Imprint which happened to have a track with Phil Enselmo of Pantera on it.  And guess what it said on the sticker??  "Featuring Phil Enselmo of Pantera".  And for the sake of getting this straight, when Down released their album Nola, guess what the big sticker on it said???  You know what, I think you may get the point. 

It helps more than you think.  It is as simple as that.  Does the music play a part in it?  Of course it does.  But I guarantee you all of those albums I named above did better than expected because of the 'featuring members of" stickers on them.  And IF Chinese Democracy is released it will sell better as a Guns N Roses album than it would if it were an Axl Rose album.  You have proof of this from 'hardcore' GNR fans in this thread!!!  They openly admit that they would either wait or not buy the new album at all if it wasnt Guns N Roses.