long awaited gnr album vs axl rose album

[nesquick]

To all of you, listen to that http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0UFSIYY9JJ6I1N87C9RB15HEE
When the record is out then... "I'll be there!"

[Luigi]

nesquick, who said that ? was it supost ta be Axl?

[patience26]

nesquick, who said that ? was it supost ta be Axl?

Actually, it is Axl`s voice there, as Jonhie Nigthmare Smth in the St. Andreas game!!!


Rock on 

[Grouse]

Pretty much the same here as some of the other posters in this thread, I would not rush out to buy an axl rose album, Guess I just support the name then

[AxlsMainMan]

Id most definately buy the album regardless if its Axl Roses's solo record, a GnR record, or a blank cd with zero coverart. Ive been following both Axl and Tommy Stinson on this strange, mystical journey we call the wait for "the album", so to me it dont matter as long as our favorite redhead is ballz to tha wallz screaming his lungs out on top of some pretty awesome musicianship.

[mikegiuliana]

Pretty much the same here as some of the other posters in this thread, I would not rush out to buy an axl rose album, Guess I just support the name then

I beg to differ only because of what has been going on for the past 6 or more years.. If axl just popped out of the blue working on an album I wouldn't run out to get it, but with the amount of time I have waited for cd even if it was an axl only album I would be there pretty quick to purchase it... But it being a guns n roses record makes me want to buy it even more even though it is an axl rose record..

[jameslofton29]

Interesting question. A good history lesson concerning such a scenario is the Roth/Van Halen albums of 85/86. Roth released 'Eat Em and Smile' around the same time as VH's '5150'. While Roth got more media attention and some MTV airplay with 'Yankee Rose', VH's 5150 actually sold more than Roth's solo album. Up against all the media hype of Roth, Van Halen went against the odds and outsold Roth's hype. So this proves band name recognition will win no matter what the media tries shoving down our throats. I believe an Axl solo album would be similar to Roth. MTV would love him for awhile, give his videos a chance, but they will also start wondering, "Where is that huge fanbase he's supposed to have?" This is what killed Roth's career. For over 20 years, people wished for Roth to do albums with VH, but also allowed his career to go down the toilet by not supporting his solo work. I think a GNR CD has the potential to sell a million or more copies its first week of release. An Axl Rose CD flops its first week, selling between 20,000 and 50,000 copies. Axl knows this is true, which is why he'll fight to the death to keep the GNR name.

[blasphemer]

Y would anyone even think Axl rose would release a solo album.   I mean Its just not gonna happen.  Think about it very hard if u need to, but u shouldnt have too.

[mikegiuliana]

Interesting question. A good history lesson concerning such a scenario is the Roth/Van Halen albums of 85/86. Roth released 'Eat Em and Smile' around the same time as VH's '5150'. While Roth got more media attention and some MTV airplay with 'Yankee Rose', VH's 5150 actually sold more than Roth's solo album. Up against all the media hype of Roth, Van Halen went against the odds and outsold Roth's hype. So this proves band name recognition will win no matter what the media tries shoving down our throats. I believe an Axl solo album would be similar to Roth. MTV would love him for awhile, give his videos a chance, but they will also start wondering, "Where is that huge fanbase he's supposed to have?" This is what killed Roth's career. For over 20 years, people wished for Roth to do albums with VH, but also allowed his career to go down the toilet by not supporting his solo work. I think a GNR CD has the potential to sell a million or more copies its first week of release. An Axl Rose CD flops its first week, selling between 20,000 and 50,000 copies. Axl knows this is true, which is why he'll fight to the death to keep the GNR name.

I had mentioned vh n roth.... His career went right down, the established huge name (vh) prevailed.. I don't know he may get somewhat luckier like ozzy did alone..

[younggunner]

Where is that huge fanbase he's supposed to have?"

So your saying that the gnr fanbase is not gonna go out and buy the album?

[jameslofton29]

younggunner, read the post again. I was talking about an Axl solo album scenario. Take the GNR name out of the equation, and Axl becomes David Lee Roth. Mike, I think its too late for an Ozzy type resurrection. If Axl had done something in the mid-late 90's, I think it could have been possible. Axl could have done a mediocre album or two, and his career could have recovered by doing a great album. Now he has one shot at redemption. Let's hope he doesn't blow it.

[younggunner]

younggunner, read the post again. I was talking about an Axl solo album scenario. Take the GNR name out of the equation, and Axl becomes David Lee Roth

I know what your saying. And Im saying you dont think that the gnr fnabase would buy an Axl Rose solo album?

Mike, I think its too late for an Ozzy type resurrection. If Axl had done something in the mid-late 90's, I think it could have been possible. Axl could have done a mediocre album or two, and his career could have recovered by doing a great album. Now he has one shot at redemption. .

Why do you people care so much about this acceptance and ressurection? Axl is doing his own thing. He obiviously isnt worried about being accepted right now or pissed off that he has "blown his oppurtunities", etc. He had other stuff to deal with first. He'll release the stuff when its done and hes ready.

He doesnt have any desire to give u below average albums and use his name and the band name. He wants to give you something. SOmething that you will be able to listen to for a long time.

Let's hope he doesn't blow it

So far by the sounds of it...he wont 

[jameslofton29]

youngunner, the only people who would buy an Axl solo album would be people who post at all the forums, and maybe a few old fans who are intrigued by it. The GNR name holds alot of power and mystique. Mention GNR to anyone, and they will say stuff like 'GNR kicks ass!', 'Damn they were a great band', or 'I wish they were still around'. Mention Axl's name and you'll hear stuff like, 'what an asshole'!, 'that guy's a prick', 'what a freak!', or 'I paid 80 bucks to see him and he didnt show'. Big difference, and it would definitely show concerning album sales.  The reason people care about acceptance is this: If he's embraced by the world, you will more than likely get several albums and the one in a million chance at a reunion in the future. If he isn't accepted, Chinese Democracy is the final trainwreck and you will never hear from him again.

[Axl4Prez2004]

   I just got done posting on another thread agreeing with younggunner and disagreeing with jameslofton...on this thread, I'm going with jameslofton.  Nice analogy with Diamond Dave.  James is right, Axl isn't a stupid man.  The GNR name carries alot of weight, as demonstrated by the poorly put together GH album's success.  Axl owns the rights, and that's all there is to it.  If he wants to employ 10 dancing midgets (ala Spinal Tap) in a re-make of Stonehenge, that's his prerogative!  Obviously, from what we've heard, IRS and CD will blow minds in the hard rock world, while Maddy gives them a more mainstream rocker like Green Day's Boulevard of B.D., and The Blues gives them a Patience/Don't Cry commercial hit.  And just think, these aren't even the big guns!  Don't worry, Chinese Democracy will be released by the band Guns N' Roses (Axl, Tommy, Robin, Richard, Brain, and Dizzy) sit back and enjoy the wait!   

[Krispy Kreme]

A GNR album would  start fast, but it depends on the content. If the content is good, a la Blues, Maddy, Chinese Democracy, IRS, then the sales  will build. If the content sucks, a  la OMG. Rhiad, Silk Worms, then sales will resemble the Titanic.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

? ?I just got done posting on another thread agreeing with younggunner and disagreeing with jameslofton...on this thread, I'm going with jameslofton.? Nice analogy with Diamond Dave.? James is right, Axl isn't a stupid man.? The GNR name carries alot of weight, as demonstrated by the poorly put together GH album's success.? Axl owns the rights, and that's all there is to it.? If he wants to employ 10 dancing midgets (ala Spinal Tap) in a re-make of Stonehenge, that's his prerogative!? Obviously, from what we've heard, IRS and CD will blow minds in the hard rock world, while Maddy gives them a more mainstream rocker like Green Day's Boulevard of B.D., and The Blues gives them a Patience/Don't Cry commercial hit.? And just think, these aren't even the big guns!? Don't worry, Chinese Democracy will be released by the band Guns N' Roses (Axl, Tommy, Robin, Richard, Brain, and Dizzy) sit back and enjoy the wait!? ?

I share your optomisim, but feels like I`ve been sitting back enjoying the wait for 6 years now.........

[younggunner]

the only people who would buy an Axl solo album would be people who post at all the forums, and maybe a few old fans who are intrigued by it.

Last tour sold fairly well despite not having an album. So with a well recieved album and promo he would still be selling out arenas.

The GNR name holds alot of power and mystique

And whos responsible for that mystique?

'I wish they were still around'. Mention Axl's name and you'll hear stuff like, 'what an asshole'!, 'that guy's a prick', 'what a freak!', or 'I paid 80 bucks to see him and he didnt show'.

now when the album comes out they will either still say that or dig the music. Who cares if peopel think Axl is an asshole. Peopel though he was an asshole back in the day too. That didnt prohibit him or th eband from being the best in the world.

Axl isn't a stupid man.  The GNR name carries alot of weight, as demonstrated by the poorly put together GH album's success.  Axl owns the rights, and that's all there is to it.

Im not saying using the name doesnt benefit. Of course it does. It will help the sales. But the same peopel that buy the album in the first few weeks are gonna be the same people who would have bought it if it was called something else.
Why is any1 buying this album whether its called gnr or not. Because they wanna see what Axl, the selfish, techno crazed prick is up to and why he "broke" the old band up or because its guns n roses so they want to hear it.even though the guys they know and love will not be on the album.

The name will help but ultimately this album will thrive or fail on the music alone. You cant have your cake and eat it too. You cant say o the gnr name will be the reason why the album does well  but then say if it bombs its because the music sux and its Axl. Fuk that.

You people fail to realize that a lot has changed since GNr was tearing it up. When CD drops and if its good they will pick up new fans. kids, and or peopel who never were into old gnr for whatveevr reason. Then what s the excuse then? The name? hell no...the music.  SOme kid is gonna fall in love with a Robin solo or Brains drumming. And they will not care about the drama of the old vs new shit. They will not have any allegiance towards Axl or Slash when hearing that album. Its a whole new world.

As for the old time gnr fans. You just cant realize that Axl is bigger than Slash or Duff. He just is. That doesnt mean anything in terms of music but in terms of getting attention and curiosity hes the drawing card of the bunch. The gnr name helps but if the roles were reversed Slash and or Duff would not be getting this same attention or mystique from the people here today. And thats not a diss. Its just that Axl is a primadonna frontman who is gonna knock ur panties off when you hear this album...and what a day thats goin to be

[jimmythegent]

nice post YG. I agree with most of what you said there

[mikegiuliana]

Mention GNR to anyone, and they will say stuff like 'GNR kicks ass!', 'Damn they were a great band', or 'I wish they were still around'. Mention Axl's name and you'll hear stuff like, 'what an asshole'!, 'that guy's a prick', 'what a freak!', or 'I paid 80 bucks to see him and he didnt show'.

james man that statement really hits how a lot of people who caught the great gnr back in the day.. That has been said I don't know homw many countless times from people I meet at various job sites and many friends today.. There;s still people that went to see one gnr show back in the day and a lot of blame was on axl for being super late. We know as fans about the lateness but take someone who saw gnr for the first time, they think it's flat out rude.. But you definetly have the positive for the gnr name and the flip side for axl..

[mikegiuliana]

Where is that huge fanbase he's supposed to have?"

So your saying that the gnr fanbase is not gonna go out and buy the album?

ant, I think the gnr fan base compared to the axl rose fan abse is so different now.. This is just taking a stab at it.. I think the gnr fan base just by the name is from really young kids to the people that saw them when afd came out..  Axl rose these days doesn't have the weight behind him.. For everyone that knows gnr some don't know who axl rose is.. It is quite trendy these days to like old bands, but it doesn't mean you need to know the lead singer's name to have a gnr album or two in your cd collection..

I fel 1 out of 2 know who gnr is or have at least heard of the name, but maybe 1 out of 5 regular people(if that) know who axl rose is.. Now take this same poll in 92 and it would pretty much be even. Axl's fan base will definetly buy an axl rose solo album, the trouble is how big is that axl rose fan base these days??

I like several bands out there but I couldn't name the lead singer, but the band name I would know right away..