Slash The Liar?

[killingvector]

Killingvector, why don't you just leave this VR area of the forum, as you only have negative things to say about them. please.

I ask, give me proof that Axl deliberately mislead the public on any issue GnR. Show me proof that he lied.

Wouldn't you call it misleading the public when you show up late for most of your concerts, don't show at all for others, and don't issue any apologies or statements to the fans that bough tickets? If that's not misleading your fans, then what is?

So when he showed up late to shows, he was lying to them? Do you actually believe what you are saying?

It was common knowledge on the 2002 tour as well as the Illusion World Tour that the shows would start as late as 1030/1045. If you couldn't wait for it, then you shouldn't be going. I told all the people around me what time the band would come on. A little bit of research before arriving at the venue would save many people the heartache of a long wait.  Axl certainly didn't mislead anyone about what time he was going to hit the stage.

As for Vancouver, Axl did make comments about that incident. Philly maybe causing some form of litigation at this point, preventing the band from making an official statement. Therefore, no apology could be forwarded without an impact on the proceedings.  It is an issue that needs closure and will probably happen sometime in the future.  It is very possible that the venue/promoter are to blame; but of course it is easier to blame Axhole.

[Rob]

Please, killingvector, who are you trying to kid?  We all know the reason for the Vancouver and Philly riots...and its Axl.  If Axl wanted to play those shows he would have. 

[tomass74]

This really is the dumbest fucking thread ever, it was just asking for it....

[killingvector]

Please, killingvector, who are you trying to kid?  We all know the reason for the Vancouver and Philly riots...and its Axl.  If Axl wanted to play those shows he would have. 

LOL. And you know what happened in Philly.....please indulge us with the undeniable proof that you possess.

[jimmythegent]

[quote author=GNRisSLASH link=topic=22251.msg390575#msg390575
 

A little bit of research before arriving at the venue would save many people the heartache of a long wait.? Axl certainly didn't mislead anyone about what time he was going to hit the stage.

man that is some of the most fucked logic ever. So the fans are supposed to know in advance that hes going to be late and turn up late as well?
So what happens when he decides (which he does occasionally) that he'll be on time?
Even still, it is an outrage to show such blatant disregard to your fans. I cant believe people try and defend that shit

[marknroses]

Oh yeah, Axl also lied when he took the MTV Video Vanguard Award in 1992, when he said "Oh, by the way, this award has nothing to do with Michael Jackson!". In fact, Josh Richman, an estranged friend of Axl's, said in a SPIN 1999 interview that axl had told him to make videos "that are like Michael Jacksons."

anyways,

MNR

[killingvector]

[quote author=GNRisSLASH link=topic=22251.msg390575#msg390575
 

A little bit of research before arriving at the venue would save many people the heartache of a long wait.  Axl certainly didn't mislead anyone about what time he was going to hit the stage.

man that is some of the most fucked logic ever. So the fans are supposed to know in advance that hes going to be late and turn up late as well?
So what happens when he decides (which he does occasionally) that he'll be on time?
Even still, it is an outrage to show such blatant disregard to your fans. I cant believe people try and defend that shit

ummm, yeah. Don't you read look online for reviews, setlists, ect before you attend a show?

[killingvector]

Oh yeah, Axl also lied when he took the MTV Video Vanguard Award in 1992, when he said "Oh, by the way, this award has nothing to do with Michael Jackson!". In fact, Josh Richman, an estranged friend of Axl's, said in a SPIN 1999 interview that axl had told him to make videos "that are like Michael Jacksons."

anyways,

MNR

Well done Sherlock. I guess this means that every questionable statement by Axl can now be construed as a lie.......


If so, then Slash is a liar as well. If of course, we apply the same standard since Jarmo found an equally meritous case of Slash fibbing.

[jimmythegent]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

[killingvector]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

How does showing up late make him a liar?

[jimmythegent]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

How does showing up late make him a liar?

I didnt say it makes him a liar, just an asshole
I  find it trite that people defend things like that
Its ok to be a fan of the guy, but to defend lousy behaviour like that doesnt make you any more of a fan

[killingvector]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

How does showing up late make him a liar?

I didnt say it makes him a liar, just an asshole
I  find it trite that people defend things like that
Its ok to be a fan of the guy, but to defend lousy behaviour like that doesnt make you any more of a fan

ok, but you are offtopic then. The debate going on was whether slash/axl have lied to their fans. Your discussion is relevant for another thread.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

If Axl since the UYI days and the 2002 tour pretty much ALWAYS go on stage at 1030 or so how is he always late? That makes no sense. ?He is on time if he always goes on stage at the same time every show.

[jimmythegent]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

How does showing up late make him a liar?

I didnt say it makes him a liar, just an asshole
I? find it trite that people defend things like that
Its ok to be a fan of the guy, but to defend lousy behaviour like that doesnt make you any more of a fan

ok, but you are offtopic then. The debate going on was whether slash/axl have lied to their fans. Your discussion is relevant for another thread.

whatever man
discussions can veer off into other areas occasionally
I addressed something you said - big deal

[jimmythegent]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

If Axl since the UYI days and the 2002 tour pretty much ALWAYS go on stage at 1030 or so how is he always late? That makes no sense. ?He is on time if he always goes on stage at the same time every show.

Ok if thats the rationale you and KV are going to subscribe to,
how about the fact that on the tickets a time is stated?

therefor if Axl doesnt honour the time stated on his tickets, that is dishonest?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

If Axl since the UYI days and the 2002 tour pretty much ALWAYS go on stage at 1030 or so how is he always late? That makes no sense. ?He is on time if he always goes on stage at the same time every show.

Ok if thats the rationale you and KV are going to subscribe to,
how about the fact that on the tickets a time is stated?

therefor if Axl doesnt honour the time stated on his tickets, that is dishonest?

I still have my ticket and there is not a time listed for what time guns n roses go on stage just what time the opening band goes on stage. Nice try tho.

[killingvector]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

If Axl since the UYI days and the 2002 tour pretty much ALWAYS go on stage at 1030 or so how is he always late? That makes no sense.  He is on time if he always goes on stage at the same time every show.

Ok if thats the rationale you and KV are going to subscribe to,
how about the fact that on the tickets a time is stated?

therefor if Axl doesnt honour the time stated on his tickets, that is dishonest?

The time listed on the ticket is when the opening bands start. It says and promises nothing about when axl takes the stage.

I thought you said axl being late was not evidence of him being a liar? have you backtracked?

[lynn1961]

Can we just give this up?  I've posted here too, I admit.  But, nothing's been proven, and it's gotten out of hand.  We're all human, whether our name is Slash or Axl.   
 

[jimmythegent]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

If Axl since the UYI days and the 2002 tour pretty much ALWAYS go on stage at 1030 or so how is he always late? That makes no sense. ?He is on time if he always goes on stage at the same time every show.

Ok if thats the rationale you and KV are going to subscribe to,
how about the fact that on the tickets a time is stated?

therefor if Axl doesnt honour the time stated on his tickets, that is dishonest?

I still have my ticket and there is not a time listed for what time guns n roses go on stage just what time the opening band goes on stage. Nice try tho.

well every time Ive attended a concert, there has always been a time stated, so there ya go

[killingvector]

its still no rationale man
regardless, what about the fact that sometimes he is on time? so which are you gonna choose?

If Axl since the UYI days and the 2002 tour pretty much ALWAYS go on stage at 1030 or so how is he always late? That makes no sense.  He is on time if he always goes on stage at the same time every show.

Ok if thats the rationale you and KV are going to subscribe to,
how about the fact that on the tickets a time is stated?

therefor if Axl doesnt honour the time stated on his tickets, that is dishonest?

I still have my ticket and there is not a time listed for what time guns n roses go on stage just what time the opening band goes on stage. Nice try tho.

well every time Ive attended a concert, there has always been a time stated, so there ya go

Repeat for the hard of hearing: the time listed is when the opening bands come out. I just saw the Stones in Hartford; the time listed was 8pm. Sure enough, Maroon 5 walked out at 8pm and played til 8:45. The Stones didn't appear for over an hour later, approximately 9:45.  GnR had 2 opening acts with comparable time between the time the last act ended and their set began.

give it up.