got beat up

[Sin Cut]

"If society won't punish the guilt, he will."
Find those assholes and make sure chicks won't want to go out with them. I would back you up bro.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Tj]

I'm gonna side with Izzy here, guys...

Dude some will tell u to let it go, to turn the other cheek but I say


FUCK THAT


U go and find this motherfucker and u destroy his ass

Until u do u wont have any type of inner peace about yourself.

If a motherfucker did that to me I would not stop until his ass was hurt bad.


GO DO IT!

Not sure I feel like getting involved really - some of the advice given here is really saddening to read, it'd probably be quite hard to stand up against it, and I might spark a huge debate that I'll lose interest in - but D...that's the stupidest thing I've ever read from you (even more stupid than your views on Lance Armstrong being named male athlete of the year, or whatever it was, and how apparently even you could compete in the Tour de France? ) You'll always have my respect in many ways, but I hope you can cherish my honesty when I say that statement is bullshit to me.

Are you telling me retribution is the key to peace and harmony? Would you beat someone up, witness their pain, find some sort of twisted satisfaction from it - as if you somehow are responsible for serving justice - and walk away feeling peaceful? You're still going to think he's a 'motherfucker'! That's not peaceful. I fully expect you to believe I've got a deluded view of this, because our takes on revenge and forgiveness seem to be in complete contrast, judging by what I've just read, but it's the same for me thinking about your view; I don't understand how a person can feel and say with absolute sincerity that they believe revenge is the best policy. Might give you a kind of temporary satisfaction - albeit one loaded with contemptuous feelings - but how is it ever going to make a person peaceful if they go around seeking revenge so much? You'd just end up with two mental lists: one of people you need to come down on like a tonne of bricks, and another of people you've already come down on sufficiently, and can just live in passive bitterness towards. I reckon people generally feel they are wronged many times each week, but surely we can't spend our lives seeking to make others pay all the time? By no means am I trying to argue that loving everybody is as easy as pie, but I think I would always want to endeavour to do so, and true love forgives all wrongs. I guess that point is irrelevant unless you agree with me that we should try to genuinely love everybody though. I'm not saying forgiveness is easy either, but I am saying that as far as I can tell it's much more likely to bring the inner peace you speak of.

I'm gonna regret posting this as soon as I read any reply you may post, because it means I have to be less apathetic for a while, lol, and get actively involved in debating the issue, but ah well. I just felt whilst reading this thread that it saddened me and touched enough of a nerve for me to go to the effort of posting properly for the first time in a couple of weeks or something. I don't feel that perpetuating the issue is a way to solve it. To me there's no real power in showing someone who's boss, so to speak, but there is an immense and almost immeasureable power in love and forgiveness. A while back I ended up experiencing more physical discomfort than I already had, by trying to re-enter the arena of a fight I had quite inadvertently got involved with, and shake the hand of the other guy involved, but despite being headbutted as I tried to shake his hand, it was and still is my belief that I was more likely to have a positive effect on the hearts of the bystanders, than if I had gone back all guns blazing, eyes full of hate. In the heat of the moment, I guess everyone would want to defend themself if at all possible, just like I tried to until the fight I was in broke up (I did my best UFC hold ), but after incidents like that, to me it doesn't seem right or at all clever to encourage the cycle to keep going.

Coming from a completely different culture and probably a completely different family to you, I guess it's almost inevitable that I'm likely to have such different beliefs about this, but please try and understand me. I don't know if I've articulated myself particularly well, but hopefully I've made sufficient sense.

[Sin Cut]

actually beating the guys up would've make me feel good and give some satisfaction.

If it would've been a fair fight the I'd let this whole issue be.

But the guy looked too damn pleased with himself when he came to tell me he it would be better if I wouldn't get the cops involved.

I hope the cops catch him, I'm calling today to find out the name of the other guy

[D]

Im telling my opinion

If I fought a dude straight up and he kicked my ass; hey congrats, u the man, no hard feelings, I respect you.

If you jump me from behind like those pussies did to Blue Cut and they kicked the shit out of me and hurt me

Im sorry dude, but I cant let that go

If u let people do shit like that to u then u will always be picked on and bullied.


Blue Cut kicks these guys asses or at least tries, I guarantee they never fuck with him again, that is a guarantee.


If I let some guys do that to me and I just let it go, Id feel like the world's biggest pussy and wouldnt be able to look myself in the mirror.

Its not revenge, its just standing up for yourself.

TJ I do love everybody and I get a long with everyone and I do my best to avoid fighting.

But when cowards attack you from behind like this and humiliate u and hurt you, how can u just let them get away with that?

i wouldnt be able to.

I grew up in the projects though and the poor side of town, so yeah I guess our cultures are probably very different

Where Im from, if u let someone get away with that shit, then U are in deep shit with other people.

Revenge isnt the best policy for everything

If some dude fucked my woman, I wouldnt kill him or hurt him or try to fuck his woman.

If a guy hit my dog with a car and killed it, Im not gonna shoot him or hurt him

If a guy cuts me off in traffic, I dont get mad at all

If someone fouls me hard playing basketball, i dont get mad.

but when guys unprovoked jump me from behind like a bunch of little bitches and hurt me, thats a totally different story and I think Revenge suffices here.

Blue Cut was being nice and friendly, those guys took something from him, and I think Blue Cut is a lot like me and I just know personally, I wouldnt be able to live with that knowing they did that and got away with it.

So No revenge isnt the best policy 95 percent of the time, but special cases like this, i think it is.

Its like If someone mugged my mom and stole her purse and knocked her down, Dude I would hurt someone so bad u just dont know

or if someone hurt my GF or people I love, then fuck yeah its their ass.

So hopefully now u will see where im comin from!

[MikeB]

the pussy had to have his little bitch trap Blue Cut in a position so he could win the fight the easy way , that's fucking unfair. Blue Cut deserves to have revenge.

[SLCPUNK]

The immediate feeling of revenge may be sweet after a beat down.

However later on, looking back, you'd realise that violence solved nothing.

Revenge and violence are two negative actions that can not bring you anything good.

Think about it.

Nurse your wounds, stand tall, and forgive those guys. In the long run, that act of forgivness will allow you to grow much more than violence or revenge would...............................

I'd still go to the police though.

PS: Nothing is fair in life, and if you go around trying to make shit fair, you'll be running around in circles your entire life.

[Timothy]

Blue Cut you need to kick these guys ass.


Like D said if that happened to me I could just let that shit slide with the pussy way that it happened.I would feel like I let them walk all over me without any consquences.   

[Genesis]

The immediate feeling of revenge may be sweet after a beat down.
However later on, looking back, you'd realise that violence solved nothing.
Revenge and violence are two negative actions that can not bring you anything good.
Think about it.
Nurse your wounds, stand tall, and forgive those guys. In the long run, that act of forgivness wll allow you to grow much more than violence or revenge would...............................

LOL. Sorry, but that's a fuckin load of bullshit. Two guys beat him unconscious and ur telling him to sit around and lick his wounds? Kick the shit out of them and u'll sleep better... Deal with ur conscience later... 

[Skeletor]

PS: Nothing is fair in life, and if you go around trying to make shit fair, you'll be running around in circles your entire life.

Well said, that is a fact.

[Izzy]

Excellent post by TJ and SLC

This thread horrifies me

I take some comfort in knowing that none of you have the balls to practice what you preach

Listen to what ur saying, so its okay for u to hurt people but not them to hurt you?

I think most of u watch far too many films.

If violence can be so easily rationalised i'd come for all of u to try and knock some sense into you

Is this really the world u want? No wonder people get attacked if such childish attitudes exist

How hurting anyone can bring u satisfaction, what a harsh upbringing u must have had, how angry you must be at the world. Let it go.

[Genesis]

Listen to what ur saying, so its okay for u to hurt people but not them to hurt you?

What abt the other way around?

[Sin Cut]

I take some comfort in knowing that none of you have the balls to practice what you preach

You're wrong there. I beat a guy bad when he was trying to beat her ex-gf sensless, but it was one on one and I tried to talk to him to go away, then he attacked my friend and I told my friend to stay out and I beat the guy. And I stopped when he didn't want to fight anymore, and I turned to see if the girl was okay and he tried to get me from behind but someone shouted a warning and I got out of his reach.

Did I regret it? Yes.
Did it do any good? Yes, he tried to approach the girl once more but she told him he got mine and my friends number and he left, cursing her but he left.


Anyway I made some calls and got the guys name, I also turned in sick today since I'm feeling light-headed and I don't have any feel on the right side of my head. It's just numb and if I touch it it's like it's someone elses skin. I got a time for a doctor after 40 minutes.

[Izzy]

I take some comfort in knowing that none of you have the balls to practice what you preach

You're wrong there.

Wonderful, i take it by that lone response everything else i said was correct?

So my mistake was not believing u to be a psychotic. Well, i do now

I beat a guy bad when he was trying to beat her ex-gf sensless,

And ur so proud of it that ur telling me, what a charming person u r. I've been in fights, and i ain't proud of that. You evidently are.

Did I regret it? Yes.

No u didn't

Ur proud of it. You've just told me of the incident. Ur proud of the way u resolved the issue. U feel powerful as a result

Did it do any good? Yes, he tried to approach the girl once more but she told him he got mine and my friends number and he left, cursing her but he left.

Seem's to validate what i just said

Anyway I made some calls and got the guys name, I also turned in sick today since I'm feeling light-headed and I don't have any feel on the right side of my head. It's just numb and if I touch it it's like it's someone elses skin. I got a time for a doctor after 40 minutes.

And u need someone else to feel the way you do?

U have their name. U have the bruises, surely u have a witness to. Take it to the police. Those guys get a criminal record - they will never get a decent job again. I'd say that was revenge, and ur integrity hasn't been compromised

But u see - ur not innocent in this case are you? That's why going to the police isn't enough - because you know it wasn't unprovoked

[Sin Cut]

No I'm not proud of beating the guy, I am saving the girl though.

Would you have just watched?

And I did talk to the cops. I'm sure they will handle things.

But still I would like to pay back the blood in blood, I would.

You may think am psychotic, if my friend is in a fight I will back him up, I have backed my friends up every time, would you just looka away? I feel sorry for you.

[SLCPUNK]

The immediate feeling of revenge may be sweet after a beat down.
However later on, looking back, you'd realise that violence solved nothing.
Revenge and violence are two negative actions that can not bring you anything good.
Think about it.
Nurse your wounds, stand tall, and forgive those guys. In the long run, that act of forgivness wll allow you to grow much more than violence or revenge would...............................

LOL. Sorry, but that's a fuckin load of bullshit. Two guys beat him unconscious and ur telling him to sit around and lick his wounds? Kick the shit out of them and u'll sleep better... Deal with ur conscience later... 

Well like I said, when I was younger (in my 20's) I would have gone after the guy, weeks, maybe months later and hit him hard. Without a thought trying to hurt them. But it has been my experience in life that it won't do any good.

Will it give you instant gratification? Yes. But like many things that feel good at the time, they aren't necessarily good for you.

Raising kids I always hear " That's not fair...this isn't fair" and my reply is simply "Life is not fair". I thought about this thread later in the day and remembered I always said that to the kids. It is a life lesson really. If I try to make everything even for the kids so it's "fair", or the kids take that task on themselves, then they really aren't getting a true life lesson.

I have seen enough bad things happen to bad people, quickly and over the long haul. Enough so that you can rest assue that these guys who beat him up, will have plenty of karma to work through after this.

Maybe it's because I'm older but I'd only resort to violence now to protect my family. So yea, I'm asking him to put some frozen peas on his head, call the police and ask himself if he wants to use violence and seek revenge. If he does, then that is his choice.

[Genesis]

The immediate feeling of revenge may be sweet after a beat down.
However later on, looking back, you'd realise that violence solved nothing.
Revenge and violence are two negative actions that can not bring you anything good.
Think about it.
Nurse your wounds, stand tall, and forgive those guys. In the long run, that act of forgivness wll allow you to grow much more than violence or revenge would...............................

LOL. Sorry, but that's a fuckin load of bullshit. Two guys beat him unconscious and ur telling him to sit around and lick his wounds? Kick the shit out of them and u'll sleep better... Deal with ur conscience later... 

Well like I said, when I was younger (in my 20's) I would have gone after the guy, weeks, maybe months later and hit him hard. Without a thought trying to hurt them. But it has been my experience in life that it won't do any good.

Will it give you instant gratification? Yes. But like many things that feel good at the time, they aren't necessarily good for you.

Raising kids I always hear " That's not fair...this isn't fair" and my reply is simply "Life is not fair". I thought about this thread later in the day and remembered I always said that to the kids. It is a life lesson really. If I try to make everything even for the kids so it's "fair", or the kids take that task on themselves, then they really aren't getting a true life lesson.

I have seen enough bad things happen to bad people, quickly and over the long haul. Enough so that you can rest assue that these guys who beat him up, will have plenty of karma to work through after this.

Maybe it's because I'm older but I'd only resort to violence now to protect my family. So yea, I'm asking him to put some frozen peas on his head, call the police and ask himself if he wants to use violence and seek revenge. If he does, then that is his choice.

Agreed. 

[D]

Izzy u arent getting what Im saying


Is it ok to just go around beating people up? Of course it isnt.

Im not advocating violence and saying it is the answer to your problems.

I just feel there is a time to turn the other cheek and a time to NOT turn the other cheek.

If I am in the wrong and a guy kicks my ass, Hey I can live with that, no big deal, it is over and done with.

But if someone jumps me from BEHIND and hurts me, especially someone who face to face I would destroy, Man u cant let that shit go.

If I cut a guy off in traffic and he yells "FUCK U" I let that go, no big deal

but this is a totally different situation.

And u are god damned right Id feel good about myself for standing up and writing a wrong done to me.



Let me ask you all this

if someone mugged and beat up your mother and robbed her, and u could have 5 minutes alone with him, u wouldnt take it?

answer that shit.

[SLCPUNK]

Let me ask you all this

if someone mugged and beat up your mother and robbed her, and u could have 5 minutes alone with him, u wouldnt take it?

answer that shit.

Yea, but nobody beat and mugged Blue Cut's Momma....

[D]

They basically did that to him though

so whats the difference?

If some dude bumps into me on a dance floor, or spills his drink on me, im not gonna whip his ass

but look at what theydid to Blue Cut

I mean how can someone say to not retaliate?

[SLCPUNK]

I mean how can someone say to not retaliate?

I still don't have enough of the story really.

Why did these guys want to beat him so bad?

I'm not trying to put blame on the victim by any means. Just curious, why? It seems a lot to beat somebody so badly, what was the problem?