Blasts Across London

[KeVoRkIaN]

LONDON (AP) - Three London Underground stations were evacuated at midday Thursday following reports of incidents, British Transport Police said. The Fire Brigade was investigating a report of smoke at one station.

The Warren Street, Shepherds Bush and Oval stations were evacuated. Emergency services personnel were called to the stations, police said.

"People were panicking. But very fortunately the train was only 15 seconds from the station," witness Ivan McCracken told Sky news.

McCracken said he smelled smoke, and people were panicking and coming into his carriage.

Services on the Victoria and Northern lines were suspended following reports of a number of incidents, London Underground said.

The reports came two weeks after four suicide bombers attacked three subway stations and a double-decker bus, killing 52 others.

[Izzy]

They have closed down the Northern and Victoria lines - no one in London is going to be moving very far today.

[Hammy]

Thankfully though nobody has been reported injured, word has it of a nail bomb going off on one carriage, also it's been mentioned that windows were blown out on a bus, from what's been said the devices either weren't that powerful or they did not go off properly, also reports say after one incident a man was seen running away from the scene (e.g. the suspect) doesn't sound like a suicide bomber.

[nesquick]

Europe has just entered in the kamikaze/Djihad erea. London accepted djihad preachers for years, without doing nothing, now they pay for their mistakes. It's already too late. They are inside.

it's not temporary, it will last, because it's a war.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

it's not temporary, it will last, because it's a war.

so i guess they have their reasons ....
we know they're crazy and stupid. but they have their reasons. they don't hate westren countries for the fun of it.
the hate western countries cause they had been invaded and used for years.

i think your pro-israel mind is blinding you.

one question: do you think kamikaz have reasons to do that or they're just crazy ? what are their reasons ?

[nesquick]

their reasons? they are brainwashed people who were recruited by Al Quaida (could be hamas or GIA etc...) terrorist organization.? That's not more complicated than that in fact. they were recruited and they were told to kill "for the Djihad". And they did it. Like robots. Brainwashed people. That's how work terrorist organizations. Once they catch you, you slowly become a robot. There are no reasons. They are "in" for the Djihad. It's a comun ideology. Like a brand.
and please don't bring Israel into that thing. it has nothing to do here, exept that both Europe, Israel and America have to face to the same terrorist atacks situation, and to the same ideology. The only difference is that it's something new in Europe. It arrived later here. I also expect the djihad to appear in China/Asia within the next 10/15 years. I also think I have MUCH more knowleges than you to speack about that, and i know you know it.
 
Thanks for your comprehension, but I don't think you have enough knowledges speaking about that with me.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

their reasons? they are brainwashed people who were recruited by Al Quaida (could be hamas or GIA etc...) terrorist organization.? That's not more complicated than that in fact. they were recruited and they were told to kill "for the Djihad". And they did it. Like robots. Brainwashed people. That's how work terrorist organizations. Once they catch you, you slowly become a robot. There are no reasons. They are "in" for the Djihad. It's a comun ideology. Like a brend.
and please don't bring Israel into that thing. it has nothing to do here, exept that both Europe, Israel and America have to face to the same terrorist atacks situation, and to the same ideology. I also think I have MUCH more knowleges than you to speack about that, and i know you know it.
 
Thanks for your comprehension, but I don't think you have enough knowledges speaking about that with me.

less knowledge if you want.
but more distance. cause i am no muslim, no jew, no christian. i have no familiy in israel, no family in palestine. nothing. i am completly free of subjectivity.

i wasnt asking for reasons of the suicide bombers, i meant the big, overall reasons. the djihad if you want.  in the absolute. why are these attacks happening ?
why are terrorists bombing ? even in history.
why are the Rebels in Star Wars bombing the Empire's facilities. they have reasons. they fight.
that's it. i dont day they're the good ones.

but we have to stop thinking we are so white and pure.
we did harm these people. maybe not bin laden specifically. but we did harm people he pretends he fights for.

america, europe, israel (if you want, even if it's merely a tool in the us hands... ) ... are not clean.

do you understand that more civilians has been killed during iraq "war" than by the bombing in madrid, london ...

i just want you, and us, to admit taht we are not as clean and pure as we think.

this is a fair war.
some are fighting with jets and tanks. some with terror. what is better ?

[nesquick]

Pick a dictionnary and search fo the word "nehilism", or "nihillisme" in french, and you'll understand a little bit more what we have to face to.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

Pick a dictionnary and search fo the word "nehilism", or "nihillisme" in french, and you'll understand a little bit more what we have to face to.

i believe it's nihilism .... not sure tho ....

[nesquick]

yes it's nihilism in english.
here is an interesting book http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/books/2710327619/reviews/ref=cm_rev_more_2/402-7409325-2447334
The book title is enough to understand, I translate "Your death will be God".

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

yes it's nihilism in english.
here is an interesting book http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/books/2710327619/reviews/ref=cm_rev_more_2/402-7409325-2447334
The book title is enough to understand, I translate "Your death will be God".

but you didnt answer my question. i want you to answer with your words, not with some amazon links.
do you admit that israel, europe, usa are not pure and clean.

that there is no pure evil (al quaida) and pure goodness (us).
they are fighting like they can. they have their reasons. what they do is horrible.
but do you see the evil in our (europe, usa, israel if you want) actions ?

what about civilian killed by bombings ? do you put it on the same level ? or londonians worth more in your eyes ?

[nesquick]

When civilians are killed? that's bad.

BUT

There is something you don't understand in these conflicts: When developped countries use force, their goal is not to kill civilians, it's not "ok, let's bomb that school there are 50 children, let's kill them all", no,? their goal is not to murder the population, it's to pick-up terrorists, to catch them and/or to kill them. It's a different perspective. I make a difference between killing civilians people (you, me, the man in the street) and killing terrorists who bring chaos. You don't do it. I do.
The war against terrorism is not a war against civilians, it's a war to prevent other terrorist attacks. It's to kill terrorists before they kill more people. It's to stop the chaos.

You like computers don't you? when you have a virus in your computer, do you let it destroy your hard-disk? I doubt it.

that's it.

[Evolution]

My thoughts are with London again.

[Prometheus]

When civilians are killed? that's bad.

ok... so how come you push Isreal as being the best damned place on earth............? Isreal has killed many Civ's over the years..... all in the quest agnist terroism


correct?

[Will]

this is a fair war.

"Fair"? How's that fair? Because the US and the coalition bomb people in Iraq and because Israel is fighting with Palestine, terrorists have the right to kill civilians in Europe? How fucked up is that? There is no freakin excuse for terrorism. Some people on the board are way too hardcore (like let's nuke them and stuff) but finding excuses to terrorists is seriously fucked up too, IMHO. Even if those sons of bitches have reasons, they're fucked up reasons. There's no excuse to kill civilians. And as far as I know, this is not Iraqi civilians exploding themselves in European subways or American buildings. There is no excuse.

It's true that rich countries sometimes (often?) do fucked up things, but this is not a good excuse to kill civilians who have nothing to do with what their government chose to do (UK, Spain).

Anyway, I'm relieved the worst has been avoided today in London. My heart goes to the people who live over there!

[Prometheus]

true will alot of us here do have fucked ideas as to what this is all about. No doubt this does not make sence, nor should it. Some of us do look at it as a purely academic exercise and can pick out flaws in tactics on both sides.

however the war is fair if you look at it from teh US stand point....... "they attacked us....... now we will route them out where ever they are, so long as you dont have existing nukes." then yes this war is fair. however from the other side it is so not fair, jeaously of what the West has, the turmoil and subtrofuge that occurs in most of these countries is a boiling pot that allows recruits to be easily found. The protest through violence is not somethign alien to any countrry. Even Canada there was a state of matrila law declared during the late 70's early 80's..... cant rememebr teh year off hand..... but it was when violence was a high possibility of the quebeckers that wanted out of canada at all cost. the IRA in the UK.... the Black Panters in the US, hell teh LA riots....

was it jsut for teh civialins that were opressed? no... did it help out in the long wrong in furthereing the cause.... in soome case yes.... in canada not so much it was more of a set back then anything.


now If you were anti westren values, and the west was blowing up countries with like values to you self, and you as an individual has the resolve to break the back of supporting nations, which can be accomplished through confrontation on the home front, then so be it... you have no hope of combat on the open feild, attack on each countries home soil will continue to show to the population that the war is not working and we are still getting hurt... so maybe we should jsut stop...... However there are countries whose involvement are very limited such as canada, that if a major attack occured on canadian soil, the populations resolve would be such that we would join in the war with total viggor, and we would not stop till we won.

the thing is with asymetric warfare and the terror tactics being used, is this.... it will continue so long as bombs are dropping in the middle east. However it wont stop if we fully pulled out within a week it still would happen. the only way to stop it would be to narrow teh gap that seperates the values of both cultures, and tear down teh walls so that we can see that we are teh same, and we want the same thing, peace and equality for everone...... the equality will be the hardest to attain. narowing the gap can be easily done by helping countries that are in dire need of aid to make sure they get everything that they need... and dont leave till they have it......

[Will]

Believe me, I hear ya. And I would actually understand if people hurt by wars (Iraqi civilians, Afghanis, etc.) were to explode themselves in Western countries, even if it's not the "best" solution.

But this is not the case. The people who're doing that are doing it in the name of their god. They're becoming a monster, to fight the monster. Except their god never told them to kill civilians because they feel mistreated and are jealous of the West (which I can fully understand). Islam has got nothing to do with suicide bombers. They interpret the Coran as they wish and use religion as a background for their fucked up actions.

Hell, millions of people are dying every freaking year in Africa because of AIDS, curable diseases, malnutrition, but you don't see Africans blowing themselves up in Western cities because they feel left out. I do agree with the main point of your post, which is basically that we should help people/ countries in need a lot more than what we do right now. This is probably the only humane solution, unfortunately it's not that simple and the people who rule our countries don't make that necessarily a priority...it becomes a vicious circle.

[nesquick]

I have nothing more to add, Will completed my though perfectly. And as he said, the kamikazes had nothing to do with Irak, don't forget they were english. That totally confirms what I said: the Jihad is like a comun international terrorist value. There are different terrorist movements, but they have all exactly the same comun goal . And yes, that's a war. Not a war like it used to be ( country VS country) , but a more desorganized war, more complexe, more "mobile" (is it the right word in english?).

Those kamikazes aren't that desperated, it's BS, some of them are hight engineers, doctors, they own cellphone business, I mean, bin-Laden is far from beeing a stupid guy. He is bilionary, he made business, all the 9/11 kamikazes studied in Americans and germans University, they were far from beeing non-intelligent people. It's just they are completely crazy. Their volunty is to kill. Once again, there is one word for that: Nihilism.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

Believe me, I hear ya. And I would actually understand if people hurt by wars (Iraqi civilians, Afghanis, etc.) were to explode themselves in Western countries, even if it's not the "best" solution.

But this is not the case. The people who're doing that are doing it in the name of their god. They're becoming a monster, to fight the monster. Except their god never told them to kill civilians because they feel mistreated and are jealous of the West (which I can fully understand). Islam has got nothing to do with suicide bombers. They interpret the Coran as they wish and use religion as a background for their fucked up actions.

Hell, millions of people are dying every freaking year in Africa because of AIDS, curable diseases, malnutrition, but you don't see Africans blowing themselves up in Western cities because they feel left out. I do agree with the main point of your post, which is basically that we should help people/ countries in need a lot more than what we do right now. This is probably the only humane solution, unfortunately it's not that simple and the people who rule our countries don't make that necessarily a priority...it becomes a vicious circle.

their god is just an escuse.
it could be anything.
could be political, economical, religious ... their god is an escuse to fight.
yes i can see how most of these kamikaze are used. lured into the "religious fight".
but i really doubt that's much more than an escuse.

people fight for reasons. they found an easy one. god.

imagine the western countries never invaded or did anything to the middle east. imagine a world were we never tried to go take the oil.
would they fight us in the name of their god ? no.
their god is not the trigger to their war. it's the escuse. thats where nesquick is wrong.

the jihad is not the trigger. it's the escuse. the cover.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I have nothing more to add, Will completed my though perfectly. And as he said, the kamikazes had nothing to do with Irak, don't forget they were english. That totally confirms what I said: the Jihad is like a comun international terrorist value. There are different terrorist movements, but they have all exactly the same comun goal . And yes, that's a war. Not a war like it used to be ( country VS country) , but a more desorganized war, more complexe, more "mobile" (is it the right word in english?).

Those kamikazes aren't that desperated, it's BS, some of them are hight engineers, doctors, they own cellphone business, I mean, bin-Laden is far from beeing a stupid guy. He is bilionary, he made business, all the 9/11 kamikazes studied in Americans and germans University, they were far from beeing non-intelligent people. It's just they are completely crazy. Their volunty is to kill. Once again, there is one word for that: Nihilism.

so it would be ok for you if these people went to war normally with tanks and jet fighters and futuristic weapons .?
oh wait. they don't have that....

they sure are evil. but until we realize we are evil too (in our way) it will never work.