Blasts Across London

[sandman]

He has made his case several times.

He wants us to get the hell out of the gulf and stop meddling in muslim affairs.

Stop funding bombs, bullets, and billions of dollars to Israel that kill their Muslim kids. Our support of Israel is the biggie.

It's no secret why they hate us. The Fox news guys (and their ilk) will have you believe otherwise.

so are these bombs revenge? or are they an attempt to get nations to cooperate?

and do you think we should just stop supporting israel? and what would the implications be?

[SLCPUNK]

Our goverment is viewed as terrorists, well before 9-11 by Muslims.


Should we stop supporting Israel? I think the millions upon millions we give them for military might (used against the Muslims) and our weapons, should stop, yes.

Our involvement in the first gulf war made Osama (once a friend of the USA) our enemy. Bush I understood that marching troops into Bahgdad would be seen as imperialistic in the Muslim world and he did not go in for that reason. Bush II doesn't seem to have this perspective. I have said before "Stick in the hornets nest" and I think that is exactly what happened.

We are in it now I'm afraid. An honest look at our international miltary actions are probably too late. Best to keep lying to ourselves at this point. Hold on for a lifetime of Jihad bombings/attacks.

[sandman]

Our goverment is viewed as terrorists, well before 9-11 by Muslims.


Should we stop supporting Israel? I think the millions upon millions we give them for military might (used against the Muslims) and our weapons, should stop, yes.

Our involvement in the first gulf war made Osama (once a friend of the USA) our enemy. Bush I understood that marching troops into Bahgdad would be seen as imperialistic in the Muslim world and he did not go in for that reason. Bush II doesn't seem to have this perspective. I have said before "Stick in the hornets nest" and I think that is exactly what happened.

We are in it now I'm afraid. An honest look at our international miltary actions are probably too late. Best to keep lying to ourselves at this point. Hold on for a lifetime of Jihad bombings/attacks.

i think you try to simplify things. when in fact, the issues at hand are much more complicated.

and i believe that even if the US complied with EVERYTHING the muslim world wanted, there would still be attacks on free societies. their hatred is deep rooted in hundreds of years of muslim vs. christianity issues. bin laden even calls the entire world "crusaders".

[nesquick]

Should we stop supporting Israel? I think the millions upon millions we give them for military might (used against the Muslims) and our weapons, should stop, yes.

I think you are an ignorant person. What the hell Israel has to do with what hapenned in London? leave this country alone. It's been 30 years Israel has had to deal with terrorism, they probably have the best intelligence secret service in the world (mossad), they can be very helpfull for the anti-terrorism. They are specialists of that.
besides, Israel is one of the most developped high technology country in the world, they construct their own weapon to protect themselves. You speack about something you don't know. Israel is victim of terrorism and you return the subject as if they were suddenly responsibles. It's like threating a raped woman of bitch and saying she is responsible if she was rapped.

Pervert.

[fesxine]

Should we stop supporting Israel? I think the millions upon millions we give them for military might (used against the Muslims) and our weapons, should stop, yes.

I think you are an ignorant person. What the hell Israel has to do with what hapenned in London? leave this country alone. It's been 30 years Israel has had to deal with terrorism, they probably have the best intelligence secret service in the world (mossad), they can be very helpfull for the anti-terrorism. They are specialists of that.
besides, Israel is one of the most developped high technology country in the world, they construct their own weapon to protect themselves. You speack about something you don't know. Israel is victim of terrorism and you return the subject as if they were suddenly responsibles. It's like threating a raped woman of bitch and saying she is responsible if she was rapped.

Pervert.

Its thanks to Israel we have suicide bombers, its thanks to Israel having nukes that countries around Israel want WMDs, but the most ironic thing is that when the british had control of what is now Israel, the zionists used a bombing campaign against the british embassy's to remove them.

[N.I.B]

Should we stop supporting Israel? I think the millions upon millions we give them for military might (used against the Muslims) and our weapons, should stop, yes.

I think you are an ignorant person. What the hell Israel has to do with what hapenned in London? leave this country alone.

All he did was bring up that by support Isreal, the US has caused many moslems to rally against them because of the billions of dollars being poured into killing moslems.

I also think the US should stop supporting Isreal and let them deal with thier problem as they know best. The reason that the US is helping Isreal so much is because the Jews have power, they can convince anybody to see thier way of things. The US shouldn't meddle in others' affairs.

Moslem people have a hatred towards the US because moselms have been pushed around by them a lot. They just want thier own way of life without outside interference.

[SLCPUNK]

Our goverment is viewed as terrorists, well before 9-11 by Muslims.


Should we stop supporting Israel? I think the millions upon millions we give them for military might (used against the Muslims) and our weapons, should stop, yes.

Our involvement in the first gulf war made Osama (once a friend of the USA) our enemy. Bush I understood that marching troops into Bahgdad would be seen as imperialistic in the Muslim world and he did not go in for that reason. Bush II doesn't seem to have this perspective. I have said before "Stick in the hornets nest" and I think that is exactly what happened.

We are in it now I'm afraid. An honest look at our international miltary actions are probably too late. Best to keep lying to ourselves at this point. Hold on for a lifetime of Jihad bombings/attacks.

i think you try to simplify things. when in fact, the issues at hand are much more complicated.

Well duh!

I wrote two sentences. I thought you could understand that it was not that simple. It is a complex issue, but I have discussed (posted) this many times in the past and do not feel like typing it all over again.

I also made myself pretty clear. We have stirred the pot and the "war" on terror will be as successful as the "war" on drugs is here. In other words, be prepared to see this for the rest of your life.

Actually a good analogy to drug use: we should look at why it happens instead of how to "cure" it.

Brian May is on the money.

[nesquick]

Should we stop supporting Israel? I think the millions upon millions we give them for military might (used against the Muslims) and our weapons, should stop, yes.

I think you are an ignorant person. What the hell Israel has to do with what hapenned in London? leave this country alone.

All he did was bring up that by support Isreal, the US has caused many moslems to rally against them because of the billions of dollars being poured into killing moslems.

I also think the US should stop supporting Isreal and let them deal with thier problem as they know best. The reason that the US is helping Isreal so much is because the Jews have power, they can convince anybody to see thier way of things. The US shouldn't meddle in others' affairs.

Moslem people have a hatred towards the US because moselms have been pushed around by them a lot. They just want thier own way of life without outside interference.

Your point of vue is wrong: it seems for you Israel = kill the moeslims, that's the way you think. Have you ever gone to Israel? I know this country better than you.
Once again, it's not in the jewish culture and History to kill people. Once you'll understand Israel has to deal with an incredible amonts of terrorists, maybe you'll understand what's going on there.
Besides, Israel helps a lot the USA, the GI's were trained by the Israeli army concerning how to fight terrorism, because terrorism is something new for the US. They don't know how to do, so they ask help to Israel for that. The Isralians are also very precious in the Sillicone Valley, they represent over 20% of engineers there.
So it's not in a one sense help. USA gives money, Israel gives intelligence.

[Prometheus]

big price tag on that then.......lol considering teh "20%" i though was 6%.... big jump since the bubble crash..... lol


ok to over extend..... how many tiems have the "road map to peace" been agreed on by Isreal? then they turn around and go agnist what they agreed to... iwthin days....... and dont say its because of sucide bombers.... mostly the retaliantions by them has been due to direct violations or precived violations of isreal to the agreed up on terms....... what is it.. east jeuslam where teh PLA wants to set up the capital?..... and isreal has now increased the amount of settelrs going ton the area and have almost surrounded it....

[Prometheus]

"These are detestable murderers and scumbags,"_____ said. "They detest our freedoms, they detest our society, they detest our liberties."

 bet you cant guess who said this about London attacks

[nesquick]

big price tag on that then.......lol considering teh "20%" i though was 6%.... big jump since the bubble crash..... lol


ok to over extend..... how many tiems have the "road map to peace" been agreed on by Isreal? then they turn around and go agnist what they agreed to... iwthin days....... and dont say its because of sucide bombers.... mostly the retaliantions by them has been due to direct violations or precived violations of isreal to the agreed up on terms....... what is it.. east jeuslam where teh PLA wants to set up the capital?..... and isreal has now increased the amount of settelrs going ton the area and have almost surrounded it....

Israel will never sacrify its own security. What country wouldn't do the same?
You can make peace between civilized people. But it's much more harder between a civilized and developped country, and non civilized people.

[Prometheus]

this is a relevant question at this time..... where are yo from and how do you have such a inate knowledge of Isreal.... family friends lots of visits because of..... are jewish...... this is stuff that should be shared for this to go any farther....... ill gladly share my vitals for this... if want em

[SLCPUNK]

Should we stop supporting Israel? I think the millions upon millions we give them for military might (used against the Muslims) and our weapons, should stop, yes.

I think you are an ignorant person.

LOL, uh...ok.

I don't think you understand what I was talking about. Maybe my 'ignorance' confused you.

Re-read the post, rinse, then re-read again if needed.

Thanks.

[jarmo]

London bomb net widens

? Leeds biochemist questioned in Egypt
? Four held in Pakistan over 'bomb links'
? 19-year-old may have been ringleader

Duncan Campbell and Richard Norton-Taylor
Saturday July 16, 2005
The Guardian

The investigation into the London bombings went global yesterday with the arrest in Egypt of a biochemist from Leeds University, further arrests in Pakistan, and inquiries by police in the United States into the background of one of the suspects.
The hunt continued as the commissioner of the Metropolitan police warned that more attacks were a "very strong possibility".

British anti-terrorist officers were due in Cairo today to interview an Egyptian, Magdi el-Nashar, 33, of Leeds University's school of biochemistry and microbiology, as his home in Leeds was searched. Mr el-Nashar has denied any connection with the bombings and said that he has been on holiday in Egypt and fully intends to return to England.



"[Mr] el-Nashar denied having any relation with the latest events in London," a spokesman for the Egyptian interior ministry said. "He pointed out that all his belongings remained in his apartment in Britain."
Senior counter-terrorism officials emphasised last night that there was no hard evidence that other individuals, apart from the four suicide bombers, were involved in or had prior knowledge of the attacks.

Last night, however, police in the eastern Pakistani city of Faisalabad said four suspects had been detained in connection with the bombings. Intelligence sources in Pakistan have previously indicated that one of the bombers, Shehzad Tanweer, met a member of a group linked to al-Qaida during a visit to the country.

In Leeds, a three-storey redbrick house where Mr el-Nashar lived, at St Johns Terrace in the Hyde Park area, was searched by police forsensic teams yesterday.

Mr el-Nashar recently completed five years of studies and returned to Egypt about four weeks ago. A friend, Will Voller, a 23-year-old nurse who prayed at the same mosque as the biochemist, said: "He is a good, friendly, hospitable man. I can't believe that he is mixed up in this. He was very active at the mosque, helping with things like open days for local schoolchildren."

Mr el-Nashar was awarded his PhD in May, after being sponsored by an organisation in Cairo called the National Research Centre to study biochemical techniques for use in food and environmental science. Before arriving in Leeds he studied in North Carolina, and is understood to have recently applied for an academic post in Dublin.

In Beeston yesterday, six computer hard drives were removed by forensic officers from the Hamara youth access point in Lodge Lane, which the suicide bomber Mohammad Sidique Khan is believed to have used as a recruitment centre. Elsewhere in Beeston, police sealed off the Iqra Learning Centre, an Islamic bookshop frequented by the Khan, Shehzad Tanweer and Hasib Hussain.

Sir Ian Blair, the commissioner of the Metropolitan police, yesterday described the suicide bombers as "foot soldiers" and suggested a link would be found between them and al-Qaida.

Asked about suggestions that a man on a terrorist "watch list" had been in Britain before the bombings and had since left, Sir Ian said on the BBC's Today programme that "nothing at the moment ... links him directly, but what we expect to find at some stage is that there is a clear al-Qaida link ... because the four men who are dead, who we believe are the bombers, are in the category of foot soldiers".

Counter-terrorism officials said that it was still far from clear that there was any direct connection between the bombings and the al-Qaida network. This was despite remarks by Sir Ian that the attacks bore "all the hallmarks" of al-Qaida, a suggestion which appeared to be given added credence by confirmation of the nature of the bombs.

They were made from acetone peroxide, also known as Mother of Satan because of its instability, and which can be made from common household items and then packed with plastic explosive. A similar mixture, triacetone triperoxide (TATP), was used in an attempt by Richard Reid, the British-born shoe bomber, to blow up an airliner in 2001.

Police have still not confirmed the name of the fourth bomber as Jermaine Lindsay or Lindsay Jamal, 19, and different versions of his name were still being offered yesterday. He is understood to have used various names and also to have changed it when he converted to Islam. It is believed that he was known to the police in the United States, and also that Richard Reid is being interviewed in jail there about his possible connections to the bombers. In Pakistan, security forces were reported to be investigating possible links between militant groups and Tanweer. Two groups named were Jaish-e-Mohammad (Army of Mohammad), which has links to al-Qaida, and Lashkar-e-Taiba, a banned Sunni group which ran a radical school which Tanweer may have attended.

One Pakistani intelligence source was reported as saying Tanweer visited Pakistan in 2003 and 2004. During the first visit, the source said, Tanweer met Osama Nazir, who was arrested last December for the 2002 bombing of a church in Islamabad that killed two Americans among others.

British counter-terrorist officials said last night there were "links" between the London suicide bombers and Pakistan but declined to elaborate. They added that the investigation was fast-moving and "changing by the hour".

It also emerged yesterday that one of the bombers, Khan, was last year given a tour of parliament as the guest of an MP.

The Labour party said Khan, who was responsible for the Edgware Road tube blast, met Labour's Jon Trickett, MP for Hemsworth in West Yorkshire. The trip was organised as part of a school visit and Khan attended in his capacity as a learning mentor at Hillside primary school with the MP's wife, Sarah, the headteacher of the school.




/jarmo

[N.I.B]

a 19 year old ring leader? thats pretty shocking, the dude must be genious. 

[Prometheus]

a 19 year old ring leader? thats pretty shocking, the dude must be genious. 

lol


yes he must.....

[Will]

I didn't have a chance to check that topic before.

R.I.P to all the people who died in those attacks... Hopefully we won't have more attacks anytime soon...

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

They were made from acetone peroxide, also known as Mother of Satan because of its instability,

/jarmo

so the Mother of Satan is not stable ? who's the mother of satan , mary ?

and will, i fear we will get more attacks, not soon, but someday. cause now some *country* is gonna get revenge. and then the other one, and the other one ...

i kinda agree with what SLCpunk says most of the time.
they don't hate us because of what we are.
they hate us because we are what we are and we want to be everywhere.


also i want to remind that more than 60 people died in iraq in the past few days. 60.
terrorist attacks too.

[jarmo]

Three cities, four killers

Leeds, Lahore and London: one was home to Britain's first suicide bombers; another introduced them to radical Islam; the third was the target of their murderous hatred. Between them lies the key to an atrocity

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1530265,00.html



/jarmo

[Prometheus]

this is a relevant question at this time..... where are yo from and how do you have such a inate knowledge of Isreal.... family friends lots of visits because of..... are jewish...... this is stuff that should be shared for this to go any farther....... ill gladly share my vitals for this... if want em

im still waiting.....