Blasts Across London

[Lineker10]

Bingo - they attacked the USA before the war in Afgansitan, Iraq or Terror - they attacked Spain in Madrid who have very little if any involvement in the war on terror. They bombed Bali in Indonesia - again very little involvment in Iraq/Afgansitan/war on terror. These people are just using the war as an excuse to carry out attacks which they would have done anyways. Its not about the war in iraq its about them wanting to implament Islamic extremist goverments in Western societys.

few facts for you....Spain had armed troops in Iraq...Australia also had armed troops in Iraq (Bali is a favourite place for Australians to go on holiday and most of the dead were Australians)...and Istanbul was because of their involvement in giving a base for the US during the Iraq war...

If this is all about the Iraq war then why attack the US on 9/11? All that did was allow George Bush the ability to attack Iraq due to US and world outrage over terrorism and oppresion in the Middle East. No 9/11 and id give a fair bet there would have been no Iraq war. The US public wouldnt have supported it without 9/11. It makes no sense.

[Lineker10]

To get back on topic - with all of the massive, massive damaged casued in the blitz 65 years ago - we didnt give up, were not gonna crumble to these small time goons.

[Malcolm]

This is so pathetic and so sad..Whqat is the world comign to..Im only 16 and i see it already..you cant do anyhtign without worrying about shit..From our enviroment to terrorists to people stealing identity..This is so sad..My heart goes out to the victims and there families and somehting needs to be done

[Axls Locomotive]

If this is all about the Iraq war then why attack the US on 9/11? All that did was allow George Bush the ability to attack Iraq due to US and world outrage over terrorism and oppresion in the Middle East. No 9/11 and id give a fair bet there would have been no Iraq war. The US public wouldnt have supported it without 9/11. It makes no sense.

the Iraq War is just one part of a bigger picture...bin laden has always had a grudge against the USA because of America using their powers of influence in Saudi Arabia, this i recall was his main motivation to set up al qaeda which tries to suppress foreign influence in the Arab nations using extreme measures...the number of people killed on 9/11 probably was a surprise to Bin Laden and he probably thought he was untouchable as his groups were small and well spread out...he probably never anticipated that the USA would seek revenge for those deaths...Iraq was a follow on from Afghanistan...who knows why the Iraq war happened...another one of those mysteries

[Elrothiel]

Man this sucks so much! Thankfully I don't live in London, but my dad does during the week, and many members of my family do, but they're all OK thank fuck.
This is a really shitty day for England, compared to yesterday which was great, we get to host the Olympics in 2012!

But... daaamn. I watched Sky News this morning on it, and the head of police said that the protection forces had put into action a well-rehearsed plan of action and that it was going really well. About five minutes later someone else said that he could confirm that the culprits WERE in fact Al Qaeda, so everyone who's saying "Don't blame it on the arabs all the time! You're being racist!" well it WAS them... ?

Man, Bin Laden is such a fucking dickhead. He obviously doesn't get that all you have to do is be a decent person and when you die you'll go somewhere better. The nice guy does NOT always fucking lose. ? I fucking hate people like that! What the hell is his problem!? What exactly did we do that was so fucking bad that he decides he has to kill shit loads of people and make us all go paranoid about security!!!?? WHAT THE HELL DID WE DO!!??
There is such a fucking government conspiracy about this. The fuckin' illuminati try and cover it all up and they know more than anyone outside the government will EVER know, more so than Tony Blair. More so than fuckin' dumbass Dubya. And of course none of us will ever get to know any of it because its "classified" information! WELL, if it's gunna affect me, my family, my friends or my lifestyle, then I WANT TO KNOW! Don't you?

[GnRNightrain]

If this is all about the Iraq war then why attack the US on 9/11? All that did was allow George Bush the ability to attack Iraq due to US and world outrage over terrorism and oppresion in the Middle East. No 9/11 and id give a fair bet there would have been no Iraq war. The US public wouldnt have supported it without 9/11. It makes no sense.

the Iraq War is just one part of a bigger picture...bin laden has always had a grudge against the USA because of America using their powers of influence in Saudi Arabia, this i recall was his main motivation to set up al qaeda which tries to suppress foreign influence in the Arab nations using extreme measures...the number of people killed on 9/11 probably was a surprise to Bin Laden and he probably thought he was untouchable as his groups were small and well spread out...he probably never anticipated that the USA would seek revenge for those deaths...Iraq was a follow on from Afghanistan...who knows why the Iraq war happened...another one of those mysteries

Bin Laden is one individual, and certianly islamic terrorism is much broader than him.? Fanactic muslims have been killing non-muslims for centuries: Phillipines, Kashmir, Africa (most recently Sudan), Israel.?

For those that think getting out of the middle east will make Al Qaeda go away, you are very mistaken.? In an interview before 911 Bin Laden said that the Somolia ordeal (Black Hawk Down) where Clinton pulled out all troops after the incident, emboldened them to believe that the US was weak and that the Western world could be defeated.? Letting them prevail with these tactics will only make things worse, especially since their end goal isnt simply just to have the US not meddle in the Middle East.? Anyone without blinders on can realize that their intentions are far greater.

[GnRNightrain]

I was waiting for some left-winger to blame George Bush for this.? What a fucking joke.? The Uk does make its own decisions.? Furthermore, they attacked us before we Bush decided to wage the war on terror.? Until people realize that these islamic terrorists want to kill us not for the war on terror, but because we are not muslim, they hate our society, and they have had it our for non-muslims for hundreds of years we are never going to make progress.

As much as I would like to criticise you, i will refrain...apart from one comment...they hate the US because of your interference in their country, thats what drove Bin Laden to be a mass murderer...hmmmm..and where are your sympathies nightrain? or did you forget?

Of course I sympathize.? I, unlike yourself, love London and the people.? Furthermore, I have sympathized in person to many of my friends over there already who I have emailed and called.? I shouldnt have to defend my sympathy over this matter to someone that "cant stand London", and that has more posts in this thread condemning the west than islamic terrorism.? Im sorry, I starting reading this thread and I couldnt believe my eyes on some of the posts and I had to respond.? Feel free to criticize, I certainly will criticize your posts when I think they are ridiculous as I did above.

[Axls Locomotive]

Of course I sympathize.  I, unlike yourself, love London and the people.  Furthermore, I have sympathized in person to many of my friends over there already who I have emailed and called.  I shouldnt have to defend my sympathy over this matter to someone that hates London and the people, and that has more posts in this thread condemning the west then Al Qaeda.  Im sorry, I starting reading this thread and I couldnt believe my eyes on some of the posts and had to respond.  Feel free to criticize, I certainly will criticize your posts when I think they are ridiculous as I did above.

more facts dude: i dont hate london, although there plenty of more vibrant cities in the world ...ive had some great times down there...london companies maybe for their bias, the government maybe because i dont support labour, although they are my second choice party...everyone is an individual, i like some individuals, i dont like other individuals,

where am i condemning the west?...because of my Bush post? because i explained some facts about Al Qaeda like others have done?...or did my Bin Laden mass murderer quote pass you by?

[nesquick]

These people are just using the war as an excuse to carry out attacks which they would have done anyways. Its not about the war in iraq its about them wanting to implament Islamic extremist goverments in Western societys.

more generally, that's called nihilism. They also have the cult of death with their "martyr" concept and blablabla...
Nihilism is the right concept to describe it.

next targets: Danemark, Italia (that's what I heard on TV)

France is also a target, but not for the moment (for different reasons).

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I was waiting for some left-winger to blame George Bush for this.? What a fucking joke.? The Uk does make its own decisions.? Furthermore, they attacked us before we Bush decided to wage the war on terror.? Until people realize that these islamic terrorists want to kill us not for the war on terror, but because we are not muslim, they hate our society, and they have had it our for non-muslims for hundreds of years we are never going to make progress.

As much as I would like to criticise you, i will refrain...apart from one comment...they hate the US because of your interference in their country, thats what drove Bin Laden to be a mass murderer...hmmmm..and where are your sympathies nightrain? or did you forget?

Of course I sympathize.? I, unlike yourself, love London and the people.? Furthermore, I have sympathized in person to many of my friends over there already who I have emailed and called.? I shouldnt have to defend my sympathy over this matter to someone that "cant stand London", and that has more posts in this thread condemning the west than islamic terrorism.? Im sorry, I starting reading this thread and I couldnt believe my eyes on some of the posts and I had to respond.? Feel free to criticize, I certainly will criticize your posts when I think they are ridiculous as I did above.

well, history did not start with g w bush and 9/11. bin laden, afganistan, american's strikes were arleady in motion.

it's pretty useless to go on a " they attacked first" thing. its a vicious circle. both sides are evil.
one is pure evil. and it's obvious. they're hopeless, stupid and they became evil.
the other side is evil too, wrapped in fake "goodness". is that worst ?

[Rocket_queen125]

that what's i have been trying to tell english people, tony blair has made ennemies and although you diss chirac, we won't have bombs.

And i have almost died in an IRA bomb years ago, so i know how terrible a bomb is, and you have to live with why you lived, and why they didn't.

What? are u seriouse? what was Mr. Blair to do, side with the terrorist just to spare from being attacked? no sorry mam but this is a war on terrorism and soon enough that war will hit you and you will wish that your country hadnt been cowards and took a strong stance against terror, ?OH YEA TERRORIST OUR ENEMY"S OF THE FREE WORLD AND LAST I CHECKED THE FRENCH WAS A PART OF THAT!!!!!

[Hammy]

The problem is for years we've had leaders with no balls who've been soft and let pretty much anybody into the country, least in WW1 & 2 you knew who you're enemy was and where they were our country is full of terrorists who we've quite happily let into the country because of our relaxed laws, if we had been a bit more picky about who we let in this problem would never had happened, and before anyone brings it up i am not be racist i am just stating the obvious in previous wars it was one nation against another and now it's all mixed, they're not all the enemy but how are we supposed to know which is which?  And why the hell target London and innocent people, the only ones who care are friends, family and people like us who are not in a position of power to do anything, why not traget our leaders who they have a problem with? Does anyone think they're going to be having sleepless nights...no.

[GnRNightrain]

that what's i have been trying to tell english people, tony blair has made ennemies and although you diss chirac, we won't have bombs.

And i have almost died in an IRA bomb years ago, so i know how terrible a bomb is, and you have to live with why you lived, and why they didn't.

What? are u seriouse? what was Mr. Blair to do, side with the terrorist just to spare from being attacked? no sorry mam but this is a war on terrorism and soon enough that war will hit you and you will wish that your country hadnt been cowards and took a strong stance against terror, ?OH YEA TERRORIST OUR ENEMY"S OF THE FREE WORLD AND LAST I CHECKED THE FRENCH WAS A PART OF THAT!!!!!

Thats exactly the role the US could have taken in WWII. ?Its not in our backyard, we will just stay out of it. ?Luckily, Roosevelt knew better.

[Axls Locomotive]

These people are just using the war as an excuse to carry out attacks which they would have done anyways. Its not about the war in iraq its about them wanting to implament Islamic extremist goverments in Western societys.

more generally, that's called nihilism. They also have the cult of death with their "martyr" concept and blablabla...
Nihilism is the right concept to describe it.

next targets: Danemark, Italia (that's what I heard on TV)

France is also a target, but not for the moment (for different reasons).

i had to look up nihilism in wikipedia...but i agree...the belief in nothing is about a good a description as any for these people

but dont believe everything you hear on TV

[GnRNightrain]

The problem is for years we've had leaders with no balls who've been soft and let pretty much anybody into the country, least in WW1 & 2 you knew who you're enemy was and

You have nailed the problem on the head. ?This is exactly our problem in the war on terror and the war in Iraq. ?Certain people seem to hate George Bush far more than they hate the people that Bush is fighting. ?You cant win a war when you have Senators on Capital Hill analogizing our miltary to nazis. ?There are far too many people that care more about the politics of bashing Bush than actually winning the war on terror. ?That is frightening to me. ?I think a legit question would be to ask some of these people who they hate more, Bush or Bin Laden? ?Im not they will all be honest in their answer, but it shows the problem. ?The funny thing is, it is very similar to the China thread which asked: which country do you prefer? ?We had people defending the results that put China ahead of the US. ?That makes me scared to figure out the answer to my question of Bush or Bin Laden. ?

where they were our country is full of terrorists who we've quite happily let into the country because of our relaxed laws, if we had been a bit more picky about who we let in this problem would never had happened, and before anyone brings it up i am not be racist i am just stating the obvious in previous wars it was one nation against another and now it's all mixed,[/they're not all the enemy but how are we supposed to know which is which?? And why the hell target London and innocent people, the only ones who care are friends, family and people like us who are not in a position of power to do anything, why not traget our leaders who they have a problem with? Does anyone think they're going to be having sleepless nights...no.

Its a big problem, and I dont think you are racist for brining up a valid point. ?I dont know how many people are going to have to die before we figure out that we shouldnt search a 90 year old Italian lady as closely as we should search a 25 year old alien from Saudi Arabia. ?

[nesquick]

The problem is for years we've had leaders with no balls who've been soft and let pretty much anybody into the country,

exact. And imagine, with all our problems in Europe, there are still people who want Turkey to join europe...imagine the desaster...

There are far too many people that care more about the politics of bashing Bush than actually winning the war on terror.

Especially lefties people. I think we need to lock our european fronteers during a certain period of time, and "clean-up" our countries of islamists who are already there because it's too easy for terrorists to do what they want when they want in Europe. lock the fronteers and clean-up as soon as it's (still) not too late.

[mrlee]

Its terrible this has happened. British people are strong so we cant be beaten in morale just by that, all you have to do is watch the news and listen to how calm most people are. I just think the UK is used to shit, but this was large scale shit.

I think something really should be done about these terrorists, they need to be hunted down, my first thing would be to get all the terrorist factions in the UK out.

I think one of the biggest problems this has caused is the fear factor, i saw it today by my own dad. Yesterday he was saying how he wanted to go to the olypics, today he was like no way terrorist will attack there. Shows how it works.

[nesquick]

I think one of the biggest problems this has caused is the fear factor, i saw it today by my own dad. Yesterday he was saying how he wanted to go to the olypics, today he was like no way terrorist will attack there. Shows how it works.

Terrorism is quite new in europe. But in other modern countries like Israel for exemple, they have had to deal with terrorism for over 30 years. In every shopping centers or restaurants, there are security guards. Some of them are even students, especially in restaurants or bars, it's part of their job to have their "security hour" a day. everybody takes care of everyone else. people become very tight each other because they are in the same boat. That's what is going to happen in Europe I think.
the best solution to avoid it is the intelligence system like MI5 or Mossad or the french one (i forgot the name) wich is amazing. French intelligence system is very developped. repression is absolutely needed, but prevention is still the best way by far to prevent attacks.

[August 18th]

There is a big difference in american and british citizens being killed compared to arab civilians. Why? Because when innocent arabs die, american and british citizens aren't dancing in the street celebrating it. I guarantee that right as we speak, there are arabs dancing to the death toll in London. Its disgusting. I wish this shit would have happened in the 1980's. Reagan would've bombed those fuckers back into the Stone Age. Some sort of major alliance is gonna have to be formed to rid our society of these terrorists once and for all.

i absolutely agree, drastic action needs to take place. i used to think the opposite, i opposed the aggressiveness of the war on terror, even the war in afghanistan, not to mention iraq. i saw no good in bombing and creating more anger and taking more lives, but now as terror spreads to europe and keeps taking innocent lives something drastic needs to be done. we need to fight back any way we can, that meaning our leaders and our military. ?we can't let these sick-minded, twisted fundamentalists take lives like this, we just can't accept that people have to be frightened to ride a bus in their own city. and the best way to show them is obviously not talking about it. i never thought i'd say this but i've had enough, i feel sick. we need to find these groups and wipe them out so fiercly that potential recruitees will be afraid to even go near them.

[hyperionmax2003]

I heard the news before I went to work in the morning and was just utterly disgusted.  I was always afraid that another major terrorist attack would occur in the U.S. or in a  U.S. allied countried.  I think this will be THE wake up call to everybody around the world of the dangers of terrorism.  When the U.S. declared a "war on terror" , lots of oppposition went against it ( liberals, the French, democrats, etc. ) .  Now, I think there will be major changes happening soon.  I hope to god we can all just get along and finally focus on eliminating terrorism, instead of bashing Bush all the damn time.   The problem can't be dealt with by taking over every "bad"country, cash incentives, or promises.  It needs ACTION FROM MORE THAN A FEW COUNTRIES.  We need to crackdown on terrorists in our own countries, and we need to look down on those that don't.  You don't want to get rid of the terrorists in your country, fine, you wont have economic ties with any of the countries that do.   We might lose a little money, but who cares?  The problem of terrorism won't go away on it's own, it needs to be dealt with now.   

Oh, and my deepest sympathies to anyone affected by the tragedies of today.