Blasts Across London

[Jamie]

Some of the liberal posts I've seen here are pretty pathetic. Its your pacifist feelings that will ensure more 9/11's in the years to come. You do not negotiate with these people! You do not offer them peace deals! You do not call a cease fire! The only thing that speaks to these people is mass murder, and they need to be given a very large dose of it. You want this War on Terror to stop? Start sending large numbers of these people to Allah, by way of large mushroom clouds. They love burning american buildings. They love burning London buses and trains. They love burning spanish trains. They love young burning bodies in nightclubs in Bali. I cant wait to see how much they love the annihilation of Baghdad, Tehran, Kabul,Jakarta, Riyadh, Amman, Damascus,etc. Since they get off on mass murder, they're gonna love it when those cities are destroyed. Thats tens of millions dead. That should keep their appetites satisfied for at least a few years.

Well, I bet most of the liberal people that have been involved in this thread think your posts or pathetic if not maniacal. (I certainly do). You are taking a (and I'm not afraid to say it) nazi view point on how to deal with terrorists. Wipe out the entire Arab/Muslim population, those are? the most insensitive and racist ideals I have ever heard in my life. Wiping out (or the threat) of wiping out an entire creed/race/religion/nationality or whatever it may be does nothing but inflict terror on ordinary people, therefore making whoever carries out these aabsurd and insane acts a TERRORIST. The one thing you have laid claim to hating for this whole thread. By even trying to wipe out an entire race you are no better than Hitler.

[jameslofton29]

Jamie, I said I wasn't gonna debate with you anymore, but I'll bite. I didnt say to destroy the entire arab population. There are Arab countries that want this war to end. I advocate destroying the countries who sponsor this evil. If countries were destroyed because of their ties to terrorists, do you think there would be more countries lining up to support them? No! I really wish this had happened on Reagan, Thatcher, and Gorbachev's watch. They would have dealt with this evil in the way I described, and we wouldn't have to be dealing with it now.

[Axls Locomotive]

Some of the liberal posts I've seen here are pretty pathetic. Its your pacifist feelings that will ensure more 9/11's in the years to come. You do not negotiate with these people! You do not offer them peace deals! You do not call a cease fire! The only thing that speaks to these people is mass murder, and they need to be given a very large dose of it. You want this War on Terror to stop? Start sending large numbers of these people to Allah, by way of large mushroom clouds. They love burning american buildings. They love burning London buses and trains. They love burning spanish trains. They love young burning bodies in nightclubs in Bali. I cant wait to see how much they love the annihilation of Baghdad, Tehran, Kabul,Jakarta, Riyadh, Amman, Damascus,etc. Since they get off on mass murder, they're gonna love it when those cities are destroyed. Thats tens of millions dead. That should keep their appetites satisfied for at least a few years.


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Jamie, I said I wasn't gonna debate with you anymore, but I'll bite. I didnt say to destroy the entire arab population. There are Arab countries that want this war to end. I advocate destroying the countries who sponsor this evil. If countries were destroyed because of their ties to terrorists, do you think there would be more countries lining up to support them? No! I really wish this had happened on Reagan, Thatcher, and Gorbachev's watch. They would have dealt with this evil in the way I described, and we wouldn't have to be dealing with it now.

what a dumb ass...i guess the populus of these cities, especially baghdad would welcome the liberation of their city...even though its a minority of people who are creating the terrorism, you advocate to destroy them all...even the police trained by the troops, even the people who pulled down the statue of saddam, all the women and children tortured by saddams regime...and there is you wanting to destroy their city...do you even think what you are saying?

[Jamie]

Jamie, I said I wasn't gonna debate with you anymore, but I'll bite. I didnt say to destroy the entire arab population. There are Arab countries that want this war to end. I advocate destroying the countries who sponsor this evil. If countries were destroyed because of their ties to terrorists, do you think there would be more countries lining up to support them? No! I really wish this had happened on Reagan, Thatcher, and Gorbachev's watch. They would have dealt with this evil in the way I described, and we wouldn't have to be dealing with it now.

The government sponsor it, not the people, what about them? How would you like it if someone came and bombed the shit out of your country because they don't like your damn government? That is absolutely absurd. These people would obviously move out of their country if they were able.
Just because a group operates under the name of the country it's based in it does not mean they have full support of their citizens. And I live in a country that experienced that first hand. Not in my generation, thankfully, but in my father's generation and his father's generation and years before that. The IRA have operated and continue to operate under the banner of Ireland, and who gets the blame? WE DO! We are the ones who have suffered under assholes such as Thatcher, and others as far back as friekin Oliver Cromwell. They think butcherin us and killin our language, and culture was the right way to end extreme belief in the freedom of Ireland. IT IS NO DIFFERENT IN THESE COUNTRIES. They are spoken for by a group of insane extremists and they are the ones who suffer when assholes like George Bush and Tony Blair think that bombin the shit out of their land and killin them is going to effect the terrorists in any way. Innocents are killed not terrorists.

[Lineker10]

Jamie, I said I wasn't gonna debate with you anymore, but I'll bite. I didnt say to destroy the entire arab population. There are Arab countries that want this war to end. I advocate destroying the countries who sponsor this evil. If countries were destroyed because of their ties to terrorists, do you think there would be more countries lining up to support them? No! I really wish this had happened on Reagan, Thatcher, and Gorbachev's watch. They would have dealt with this evil in the way I described, and we wouldn't have to be dealing with it now.

Ermm. this extremism did happen on Thatcher, Reagan and Gorbachevs watch. The Russians were defeated by it in Afgansitan and AMERICANS helped to train these people. Bin Laden himself was trained and armed by US forces acting against Russia in Afganistan. I think your also overlooking the fact that just because countrys such as Iran, Iraq etc. were or are led by people who sponser terrorism, doesnt mean the population are behind it. You are just as bad as terrorists - kill, kill, kill, mass murder etc. etc. theres no differance between you and Bin Laden.

[nesquick]

doesnt mean the population are behind it.

unfortunately they are, because they are manipulated.

[jameslofton29]

IQ, those people do those things because we're standing right beside them with machine guns while they're doing it. Here's an example of these "innocent" men, women, and children of Iraq that you love: About a year and a half ago, about 8 Italian diplomats were dragged out of their SUVs and slaughtered on the sidewalk. This happened early in the morning, rush hour traffic driving by. The terrorists stood next to these bodies and gloated, they also desecrated the bodies. While this was going on, 'innocent' women and children walked by them on the sidewalk acting like it was nothing. Cars kept driving by the scene honking their horns and cheering. This macabre scene kept going on until they heard american tanks coming in the distance. The cars fled the scene, and the terrorists and 'innocents' went running into buildings. When the tanks got there, it was such a repulsive scene that the tanks fired at the nearby buildings, hopefully killing every person who witnessed the degradation of the diplomats.

[Lineker10]

IQ, those people do those things because we're standing right beside them with machine guns while they're doing it. Here's an example of these "innocent" men, women, and children of Iraq that you love: About a year and a half ago, about 8 Italian diplomats were dragged out of their SUVs and slaughtered on the sidewalk. This happened early in the morning, rush hour traffic driving by. The terrorists stood next to these bodies and gloated, they also desecrated the bodies. While this was going on, 'innocent' women and children walked by them on the sidewalk acting like it was nothing. Cars kept driving by the scene honking their horns and cheering. This macabre scene kept going on until they heard american tanks coming in the distance. The cars fled the scene, and the terrorists and 'innocents' went running into buildings. When the tanks got there, it was such a repulsive scene that the tanks fired at the nearby buildings, hopefully killing every person who witnessed the degradation of the diplomats.

I dont love the Iraqi people - but if there were armed poeple with machine guns walking the streets doing these things - as an ordinary unarmed person you probably wouldnt say anything about it for fear of your own life. Im not saying these things are right - just facts. And the facts are - you armed and trained these people on "Reagans watch" - you more than anyone are responsible for there ability to spread terror and attacks.

[Axls Locomotive]

IQ, those people do those things because we're standing right beside them with machine guns while they're doing it. Here's an example of these "innocent" men, women, and children of Iraq that you love: About a year and a half ago, about 8 Italian diplomats were dragged out of their SUVs and slaughtered on the sidewalk. This happened early in the morning, rush hour traffic driving by. The terrorists stood next to these bodies and gloated, they also desecrated the bodies. While this was going on, 'innocent' women and children walked by them on the sidewalk acting like it was nothing. Cars kept driving by the scene honking their horns and cheering. This macabre scene kept going on until they heard american tanks coming in the distance. The cars fled the scene, and the terrorists and 'innocents' went running into buildings. When the tanks got there, it was such a repulsive scene that the tanks fired at the nearby buildings, hopefully killing every person who witnessed the degradation of the diplomats.

my thoughts are the same as Linekers...good response...

there are 600 murders a year in Washington DC...do you recommend we atomise the whole city of DC to rid yourselves of the murderers? of course not

you have to understand that these people have been under a regime that has tortured people for decades, they are already scared and like you and I would just want to protect themselves and their family..they choose to do nothing because of these fears and threats and the history of the country's regime...fear also probably made at least some of them cheer too...if you didnt cheer you may make yourself an odd one out and maybe be seen as a sympathiser to the other side...the base level in psychological theories put your own personal safety and family's safety as the most important things...just about all humans act in a similar way

[Jamie]

Well, here's an example of the heroic Americans and British you love so much "making progress" :

As of September 22nd 2004, between 12,800 and 14,843 innocent Iraqi civilians have been killed as a result of the US invasion and ensuing occupation, while an estimated 40,000 Iraqis have been injured.

The health effects of the use of depleted uranium weaponry in Iraq are yet to be known. The Pentagon estamites that US and British forces used 1,100 to 2,200 tons made from the toxic and radioactive during the March 2003 bombing campaign. Many scientists blame the far smaller amount of DU weapons used in the Persian Gulf for a sevenfold increase in child birth defects in Basra in Southen Iraq.

Living under occupation without the most basic security has devastated the Iraqi population. A poll conducted by the Iraq centre for research and strategic studies in June 2004 found that 80% of Iraqis believe that coalition forces should leave either immediately or directly after the election. (Which they are still yet to do)

Iraqi joblesness doubled from 30% before the war to 60% in the Summer of 2003. While the Bush administration claims that unemployment has dropped, the US is only employing 120,000 Iraqis of a workforce of 7 million, in reconstruction projects in their own country.

After more than a decade of crippling sanctions, Iraq's health facilities were further damaged during the war and post-invasion looting. Iraq's hospitals continue to suffer from lack of supplys and an overwhelming number of patients.

UNICEF estimates that over 200 schools were destroyed in the conflict, and many more were looted.

Even with Saddam Hussein overthrown, IRAQIS CONTINUE TO FACE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS FROM OCCUPYING FORCES. In addition to the widely publicised humiliation and torture of prisoners, abuse has been widespread throughout the post 9/11 military operations, with over 300 allegations of abuse in Afghanistan, Iraq and Guantanamo Bay. As of mid-August 2004, ONLY 155 INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE EXISTING 300 HAD BEEN MADE.

The Justice Department memo assuring the White House that torture was legal stands in stark violation of the International Convention Against Torture (of which the US is a signatory). This, combined with the widely publicised mistreatment by Iraqi prisoners by the US military and intellegence officials, gave new license for torture and mistreatments by governments around the world.

[Lineker10]

I would like to say that i think  all UK forces serving in Iraqi are herocic and extrmeley brave - there doing there best to fight the oppresion of the world to the best of there ability, and i dont happen to belive invading Iraq was a bad move. However nuking whole countrys is basically evil on the level of Hitler and Bin Laden.

[Jamie]

I would like to say that i think? all UK forces serving in Iraqi are herocic and extrmeley brave - there doing there best to fight the oppresion of the world to the best of there ability, and i dont happen to belive invading Iraq was a bad move. However nuking whole countrys is basically evil on the level of Hitler and Bin Laden.

I'm not going to argue, they're doing their best, I'm sure they are. But I definitely do think invading Iraq was a VERY bad move. More people have died and suffered since the coalition have been in Iraq than when Saddam was in power.

[Lineker10]

I would like to say that i think? all UK forces serving in Iraqi are herocic and extrmeley brave - there doing there best to fight the oppresion of the world to the best of there ability, and i dont happen to belive invading Iraq was a bad move. However nuking whole countrys is basically evil on the level of Hitler and Bin Laden.

I'm not going to argue, they're doing their best, I'm sure they are. But I definitely do think invading Iraq was a VERY bad move. More people have died and suffered since the coalition have been in Iraq than when Saddam was in power.

I would rather terrorists were drawn to Iraq where they could be met by UK and US armed forces than operate in the Western world free to attack innocents. I also believe your wrong about death and suffering under Sadaams regime. Considering you have never experienced what it was like and the ultra secretive nature of Sadaams regime you cant really make any judgment on the levels of suffering.

[N.I.B]

doesnt mean the population are behind it.

unfortunately they are, because they are manipulated.

Why do u think GnRNightrain was so quick to assume it was musilm people?

[jameslofton29]

Jamie, the US and UK are making great progress. Iraqis, keep breathing that depleted uranium! Its what you deserve for shitting on the people who have offered you the taste of freedom. Everyone should thank the US and UK for being the only countries in the world with the balls to deal with this problem.

[N.I.B]

Everyone should thank the US and UK for being the only countries in the world with the balls to deal with this problem.

balls to deal with this problem? they were inferefering in business that disnt concern them. lots of other countries are far worse than a dictator dealing with his people, why attack them? One word: Profit

[BigCombo]

I would like to say that i think? all UK forces serving in Iraqi are herocic and extrmeley brave - there doing there best to fight the oppresion of the world to the best of there ability, and i dont happen to belive invading Iraq was a bad move. However nuking whole countrys is basically evil on the level of Hitler and Bin Laden.

I'm not going to argue, they're doing their best, I'm sure they are. But I definitely do think invading Iraq was a VERY bad move. More people have died and suffered since the coalition have been in Iraq than when Saddam was in power.

I would rather terrorists were drawn to Iraq where they could be met by UK and US armed forces than operate in the Western world free to attack innocents. I also believe your wrong about death and suffering under Sadaams regime. Considering you have never experienced what it was like and the ultra secretive nature of Sadaams regime you cant really make any judgment on the levels of suffering.

That whole "flypaper" arguement that Bush used for the last year was proven BS by the London attacks.  Yeah, it'd be nice if all the terrorists were confined to use Iraq as a battlefield; but they are not.  Personally, I'd rather have the 100,000 GI's in Iraq guard the US-Mexico border.  That is where the US is most vulnerable; not in Iraq.

[Rocket_queen125]

Everyone should thank the US and UK for being the only countries in the world with the balls to deal with this problem.

balls to deal with this problem? they were inferefering in business that disnt concern them. lots of other countries are far worse than a dictator dealing with his people, why attack them? One word: Profit

u people make me sick, i wish now that my grandfather and his generation would have had the same mentality as you and kept there noses out of europes buisness because you all would be speaking Ficken Duetch!!!!!

[BigCombo]

Everyone should thank the US and UK for being the only countries in the world with the balls to deal with this problem.

balls to deal with this problem? they were inferefering in business that disnt concern them. lots of other countries are far worse than a dictator dealing with his people, why attack them? One word: Profit

u people make me sick, i wish now that my grandfather and his generation would have had the same mentality as you and kept there noses out of europes buisness because you all would be speaking Ficken Duetch!!!!!

Well the US was attacked by the Japanese and Germany subsequently declared war on the US.  So it wasn't only Europe's business.

Secondly, people have and always will make money off war.  But it is interesting to note Cheney's connections to Halliburton and their multi-billion government contracts.  Clearly there's no conflict of interest there.

[Jamie]

Jamie, the US and UK are making great progress. Iraqis, keep breathing that depleted uranium! Its what you deserve for shitting on the people who have offered you the taste of freedom. Everyone should thank the US and UK for being the only countries in the world with the balls to deal with this problem.

Iraqis keep breathing the depleted uranium?! That is officialy the stupidest remark I have ever heard in my life! What are they to do? Not breathe?