Blasts Across London

[August 18th]

I heard the news before I went to work in the morning and was just utterly disgusted.? I was always afraid that another major terrorist attack would occur in the U.S. or in a? U.S. allied countried.? I think this will be THE wake up call to everybody around the world of the dangers of terrorism.? When the U.S. declared a "war on terror" , lots of oppposition went against it ( liberals, the French, democrats, etc. ) .? Now, I think there will be major changes happening soon.? I hope to god we can all just get along and finally focus on eliminating terrorism, instead of bashing Bush all the damn time.? ?The problem can't be dealt with by taking over every "bad"country, cash incentives, or promises.? It needs ACTION FROM MORE THAN A FEW COUNTRIES.? We need to crackdown on terrorists in our own countries, and we need to look down on those that don't.? You don't want to get rid of the terrorists in your country, fine, you wont have economic ties with any of the countries that do.? ?We might lose a little money, but who cares?? The problem of terrorism won't go away on it's own, it needs to be dealt with now.? ?

Oh, and my deepest sympathies to anyone affected by the tragedies of today.

this is about the best post yet, i stand behind this 100%. more action needs to be taken, and yes, the wake-up call you are talking about has already affected me. i think this has gotten so far that more and more people will stand behind the war on terror. this just can't continue, i don't want my future kids growing up not feeling safe in their own damn city. no way. this needs to be dealt with. now.

[N.I.B]

Until people realize that these islamic terrorists want to kill us not for the war on terror, but because we are not muslim, they hate our society, and they have had it our for non-muslims for hundreds of years we are never going to make progress.

nothing to offend you personally, but that is a typical propaganda-brainwashed american answer. True that Islamic and Christian people had thier differences in the past, but you are honestly think that muslims would attack america because they hate their society? If it was a religious battle why attack america? If i was goign to kill christian people, i know i'd personally atatck the vatican first, because that is the ehart of everything catholic. next targets would be the church of england, church of russia, and the church fo greece. dont tell me that 9/11 happened because of religious differences, rather, look into the truth and find out why it really happend. I reccomend farenhigt 9/11. Then you'll see the true side of bush.

EDIT:

and if one of your first thoughts as to who might be responsible for this is NOT al qaida, then you are living in another world. 

Al Qaida is a possibility, but they arn't the only terrorist group in the world. One of the most influential and well-known, but not the only one.

[dustNroses]

I cant believe that in this civilised world there are these inhuman animals who want nothing but death and destruction for no decent reason. Now we are at war. I say hit them ten times harder. Hopefully this will be the last straw and the G8 will discuss extermination.

[August 18th]

i think that will be very hard, but we need to fight back and not seem vulnerable. and i was about to call them animals too, but then i decided calling these pathetic excuses for life animals would be an insult to every animal on the planet.

[St.heathen]

After watching the debates on Tv tonight. One of the theories that keeps cropping up is that these could be people who were actually born in Britain and have joined extremist groups - smaller splinter groups. ?To think that those people have benefited from the freedoms our relatives have fought for and we believe in. And then turn on us is hard to accept, in some ways more so than if they came from outiside, if you know what i mean. ?

So for a moment go with this idea, because it is possible. Then how do you tackle that kind of thing? ?You can't simply bomb your own country, i think you have to tackle it on many levels.  You have to maybe stop separatist schools? ?Make everybody intergrate on a smaller local level, so a more positive relationship grows between the different communities? ?Cut poverty, give people aspirations and a chance to better themselves? ?As these issues do in some cases over-cross. ?Try and understand Why they allow themselves to be brainwashed into believing this bile, that all these cowardly acts have some kind of link with Religion and something right. ?When it is clearly goes against those principles.

That maybe a little too idealistic an idea, but i think we do have to try and tackle it on as many levels as we can, on a Global scale as well as National. ?It is a huge task, but we do have to try to out smart them, out number them and try our best not to allow them to spoil our way of life. ? ?

Anyway sorry for going on, but i think it's good that at least some of us can talk these issues out. And hear different opinions. Best wishes to all friends in London. ?

[GnRNightrain]

Until people realize that these islamic terrorists want to kill us not for the war on terror, but because we are not muslim, they hate our society, and they have had it our for non-muslims for hundreds of years we are never going to make progress.

nothing to offend you personally, but that is a typical propaganda-brainwashed american answer. True that Islamic and Christian people had thier differences in the past, but you are honestly think that muslims would attack america because they hate their society?

Not to offend you personally, but I think you have the typical European brainwashed response.  You like to think that all of this is caused by George Bush.  Sorry, but look at history.  How do you explain Israel, the Philipines, Kashmir, Sudan, etc etc.  How do you explain this?  The fact is, Christiainity and other religions went through a reformation where Islam never did.  These people kill in the name of Islam not just beause of American action and George Bush.  Yes, I think these extremists hate our society.  They hate everything about it. 

If it was a religious battle why attack america? If i was goign to kill christian people, i know i'd personally atatck the vatican first, because that is the ehart of everything catholic. next targets would be the church of england, church of russia, and the church fo greece. dont tell me that 9/11 happened because of religious differences, rather, look into the truth and find out why it really happend.

Of course they hate other religions, but the battle isnt simply against christians, its against non-muslims.  History shows this to be true.  Sure Al Qaeda might have started right after the Gulf War, but islamic extremism has been around much longer than that. 

I reccomend farenhigt 9/11. Then you'll see the true side of bush.

You have  a lot to learn son.  I suggest you look to sources other Michael Moore.  A propogandist that hates Bush is hardly someone to go to for an objective look on Bush or America.  It sadens me everytime I read a post from a European using that movie as a source.  It just furthers my thoughts that many of our own citizens are helping them defeat us.



Let me ask you this:  what do we do?

You claim that  we caused this on ourselves right?  What do we do now that we caused it?  Do we appease them?  Do we leave the entire region and let them turn it into a terrorist hub?  Do we leave Israel out to dry?  What is answer?

All I hear from the left is: this war is wrong; that war is wrong; dont touch the Koran that way; dont interrogate Al Qaeda; we should provide them lawyers; they have the right to hate us; we shouldnt racially profile; the US troops are Nazis; GWB is an idiot; GWB went to Iraq for oil; etc etc etc.

When was the last constructive idea given by anyone on the left about how to fight this war on terror.  It is criticize, criticize, criticize.  Thats it.  If you dont want us holding people in Guantanamo, what do you suggest we do with them?

How are we supposed to get information out of these people?

You dont like the patriot act, how the fuck are we supposed to nail these terrorist cells before they kill more people?

This war never was the war on terror for some people, it was the war against George W Bush.  Sure Bush has his faults, but I think his main fault is that he isnt fighting this war hard enough.  How many people are going to have to die before OUR OWN citizens decide to take our side instead of the side of the enemy.

[MCT]

where am i condemning the west?...because of my Bush post?

If I were a tighty righty, I'd say yes. So no. No condemnation as far as I can tell. Unless of course one were to read too much into your comment and argue the generalized angle of condemning the populace that elected the man. But like I said, that'd be reading too much into it as it's not there to be had in the first place.

[Dot]

This is what supporting a stupid, everlasting, almost useless war. I?m sorry for the victims of course. Sad to see how rotten our world is.

[jameslofton29]

August, i'm glad you are one of the people starting to see the light. This terrorism situation is far more serious than alot of people believed. Bush really fucked up on 9/11. If Reagan had been president, there would have been a massive worldwide nuclear strike on all arab countries. Bush also made a mistake in not forming an alliance with Russia. We have Al Queda to deal with, and they have the Chechens, who are affiliated with Al Queda. With Russia and the United States killing everything that moves in countries that sponsor this evil, there's not a damn thing the rest of the world could do about it. Bush missed a big opportunity. The only way to deal with these terrorists is with barbaric violence. I actually applaud CIA torture of terrorists and civilians living among these terrorists. I remember an article that discussed some of those beheadings that happened last year. The CIA and British intelligence went to the village where the beheadings occured, and murdered everyone there. We need more of that if this evil is ever gonna stop.

[N.I.B]

You like to think that all of this is caused by George Bush.? Sorry, but look at history.? How do you explain Israel, the Philipines, Kashmir, Sudan, etc etc.? How do you explain this?? The fact is, Christiainity and other religions went through a reformation where Islam never did.? These people kill in the name of Islam not just beause of American action and George Bush.? Yes, I think these extremists hate our society.? They hate everything about it.?

thats a sterotypical comment based on ones religion. thats like saying all christains are power-hungry people who use the pope to gain more power for themselves. I never said bush caused all this, im merely saying that you shouldnt have such prejudice towards muslims just because a muslim caused 9/11

Of course they hate other religions, but the battle isnt simply against christians, its against non-muslims.? History shows this to be true.? Sure Al Qaeda might have started right after the Gulf War, but islamic extremism has been around much longer than that.?

What makes you think they hate other people's religions. true i know all about ji-had and all that but the crusades were different, a completely different senario. And islamic people arn't the only extremists. christains are the main ones, neo-nazis are one prime example of christian nazis. so saying islamic extremism has been around longer than that sin't legit, because christian extremism and jewish extremism has been around even longer.

You have? a lot to learn son.? I suggest you look to sources other Michael Moore.? A propogandist that hates Bush is hardly someone to go to for an objective look on Bush or America.? It sadens me everytime I read a post from a European using that movie as a source.? It just furthers my thoughts that many of our own citizens are helping them defeat us.

he may hate bush, but the material in his film isnt false. hes exposing bush using legit and proper resources.

You claim that? we caused this on ourselves right?? What do we do now that we caused it?? Do we appease them?? Do we leave the entire region and let them turn it into a terrorist hub?? Do we leave Israel out to dry?? What is answer?

i never said we caused it, i just said that your blaming musils isnt going to prove who did it or anything. im just saying beause of this whole thing with american and the arab nations dont be so quick to assume its arab-musilms.

Not to offend you personally, but I think you have the typical European brainwashed response

lemmi let you in a little secret: yes im european, Croatian and damn proub of it, but I was born and raised in Canada, so i dont have a completely European perspective of things, but also a Canadian perspective.

Im just saying that you shouldnt be so quick to assume that a paticular group caused this. i could be saying serbs caused this because i dislike them, and they are also extremists and terroroists, but i dont because i have no backround information on what happened. if the majority fo them were muslim, then i would agree with you and say, yes they were Al Quida or muslim of whatever, but at them moment we dont know.

[Lineker10]

August, i'm glad you are one of the people starting to see the light. This terrorism situation is far more serious than alot of people believed. Bush really fucked up on 9/11. If Reagan had been president, there would have been a massive worldwide nuclear strike on all arab countries. Bush also made a mistake in not forming an alliance with Russia. We have Al Queda to deal with, and they have the Chechens, who are affiliated with Al Queda. With Russia and the United States killing everything that moves in countries that sponsor this evil, there's not a damn thing the rest of the world could do about it. Bush missed a big opportunity. The only way to deal with these terrorists is with barbaric violence. I actually applaud CIA torture of terrorists and civilians living among these terrorists. I remember an article that discussed some of those beheadings that happened last year. The CIA and British intelligence went to the village where the beheadings occured, and murdered everyone there. We need more of that if this evil is ever gonna stop.

What have ordinary Iraqis and ordinary Arabs got too do with Al-Quida?! Going round killing innocent people is just going to fuel the fires of Al-Quedia. We need to attack terrorism not every Arab on the planet. That is just like saying every American or European is a White supremicist - extreme generalisation. In my opinion ordinary muslims are crucial in the fight against terror. I think the majority of them - definatly in the Western world if not in the Middle-East reaslise or will soon realise that extremism is detremental to themselves and their countrys. What we need is a harsh attack on terrorists while also bringing muslim countrys and the muslim population onaboard to hit the extremesits where it hurts. After all ordinary muslims are the ones who can prevent people being recruited into extremism and tip off security forces about extremist activity.

[Lineker10]

I found this paragraph in a Reuters news article - i feel it sums up my opinion and the opinion of alot of people i know.

"Amid the twisted metal and mangled bodies left by Thursday's devastating bomb attacks, Londoners took pride in their tradition of fortitude and quiet defiance. "As Brits, we'll carry on ? it doesn't scare us at all," said 37-year-old tour guide Michael Cahill. "Look, loads of people are walking down the streets. It's Great Britain ? not called 'Great' for nothing."

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

August, i'm glad you are one of the people starting to see the light. This terrorism situation is far more serious than alot of people believed. Bush really fucked up on 9/11. If Reagan had been president, there would have been a massive worldwide nuclear strike on all arab countries. Bush also made a mistake in not forming an alliance with Russia. We have Al Queda to deal with, and they have the Chechens, who are affiliated with Al Queda. With Russia and the United States killing everything that moves in countries that sponsor this evil, there's not a damn thing the rest of the world could do about it. Bush missed a big opportunity. The only way to deal with these terrorists is with barbaric violence. I actually applaud CIA torture of terrorists and civilians living among these terrorists. I remember an article that discussed some of those beheadings that happened last year. The CIA and British intelligence went to the village where the beheadings occured, and murdered everyone there. We need more of that if this evil is ever gonna stop.

god, now i know why violence will never stops. some people are really stupid.
torture, nuclear ... thank you mr."not evil" .....

[nesquick]

If Reagan had been president, there would have been a massive worldwide nuclear strike on all arab countries

No. All arabs are not al quaeda. Some arabic countries even fight them (morocco, egypte). A large majority of arabs want to live in peace. Do you know arabs? Because I'm jewish and I know lots of them. With some of them, we are real friends. Childhood friends. They have nothing to do with islamism. They are high educated people and just want to live like you, like me, like everybody out there: a normal life. They have nothing to do with terrorists. Some of them even told me they were ashamed of al quaida terrorist attacks or Hamas suicide bombing. When people are educated and have money, they think different. The arabic countries problems is that they live in the middle age erea, politically (dictatures everywhere, control of the masses), economically (the people don't have what to eat) and also mentally (kamikazes "fashion", nihilism). They try to find responsibles of their lack of evolution and their global failure (modern societies, christians, jews etc...).
When you go to the middle east (I went 15 times in Israel), the contrast is very strong. On the one had you have an ultra-modern society (and the only one democracy and free country in the whole middel-east), a kind of mini-california mixed with a mini-europe, and on the other hand you've got the arabic societies who don't succeed to develop themselves and live in a total failure.

Once they will economically develop, they will mentally develop, and things may change. The economy is almost everything.

[Jamie]

There is a big difference in american and british citizens being killed compared to arab civilians. Why? Because when innocent arabs die, american and british citizens aren't dancing in the street celebrating it. I guarantee that right as we speak, there are arabs dancing to the death toll in London. Its disgusting. I wish this shit would have happened in the 1980's. Reagan would've bombed those fuckers back into the Stone Age. Some sort of major alliance is gonna have to be formed to rid our society of these terrorists once and for all.

Yeah maybe there's not people dancing on the streets in America and Britain, but there are fascist scumbags going on television saying they are "making progress" and that there's WMD's in Iraq when there's clearly not. They are going into Iraq and Afghanistan to murder people, and are using WMD's and attacks by groups representing a minority as an excuse.

My gosh, you use this attack as a platform to attack the UK and the US, you are deranged and arent worth another reply from anyone.?

Oh and if the US attacked a place in Afghanistan or Iraq (which they have done) and someone was expressing sympathy towards them (which would never happen) someone like you wouldn't turn around and say, "Oh, we did it because they brutally murdered our people in terrorist attacks"? Give me a break!

[Jamie]

August, i'm glad you are one of the people starting to see the light. This terrorism situation is far more serious than alot of people believed. Bush really fucked up on 9/11. If Reagan had been president, there would have been a massive worldwide nuclear strike on all arab countries. Bush also made a mistake in not forming an alliance with Russia. We have Al Queda to deal with, and they have the Chechens, who are affiliated with Al Queda. With Russia and the United States killing everything that moves in countries that sponsor this evil, there's not a damn thing the rest of the world could do about it. Bush missed a big opportunity. The only way to deal with these terrorists is with barbaric violence. I actually applaud CIA torture of terrorists and civilians living among these terrorists. I remember an article that discussed some of those beheadings that happened last year. The CIA and British intelligence went to the village where the beheadings occured, and murdered everyone there. We need more of that if this evil is ever gonna stop.

Yeah! and while we're at it let's kill every German for being a Nazi, every American for being in the KKK, every Irish person for being in the IRA. That is an extremely generalist and racist view, kill every Arab because they're behind the world's problems. You're sounding a bit like a certain Mr. Hitler there

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

You're sounding a bit like a certain Mr. Hitler there

as Jon Stewart would say " The Hilter compareason has been unleashed !!" -  a step has been made in this discussion

[Axls Locomotive]

where am i condemning the west?...because of my Bush post?

If I were a tighty righty, I'd say yes. So no. No condemnation as far as I can tell. Unless of course one were to read too much into your comment and argue the generalized angle of condemning the populace that elected the man. But like I said, that'd be reading too much into it as it's not there to be had in the first place.

if people cannot tell the difference then....

(Oliver Hardy) i have nothing tooo say hmm hmmmm

[Doc Emmett Brown]

No. All arabs are not al quaeda. Some arabic countries even fight them (morocco, egypte). A large majority of arabs want to live in peace. Do you know arabs? Because I'm jewish and I know lots of them. With some of them, we are real friends. Childhood friends. They have nothing to do with islamism. They are high educated people and just want to live like you, like me, like everybody out there: a normal life. They have nothing to do with terrorists. Some of them even told me they were ashamed of al quaida terrorist attacks or Hamas suicide bombing. When people are educated and have money, they think different. The arabic countries problems is that they live in the middle age erea, politically (dictatures everywhere, control of the masses), economically (the people don't have what to eat) and also mentally (kamikazes "fashion", nihilism). They try to find responsibles of their lack of evolution and their global failure (modern societies, christians, jews etc...).
When you go to the middle east (I went 15 times in Israel), the contrast is very strong. On the one had you have an ultra-modern society (and the only one democracy and free country in the whole middel-east), a kind of mini-california mixed with a mini-europe, and on the other hand you've got the arabic societies who don't succeed to develop themselves and live in a total failure.

Once they will economically develop, they will mentally develop, and things may change. The economy is almost everything.

good lord, I actually agree with your post 

But if you truly feel this way, then why are you so opposed to Turkey joining the EU?

In my research lab, we collaborate with the Univ. of Tel Aviv.  That is a great insitution, and a lot of cutting edge research is done with the help of Israelis and... Iranians!  It's just sad that Iran is a fundamentalist country - they could do a lot more with their resources and population.

One thing that's bugging me is... if we had actually captured bin Laden instead of losing him in the mountains  - would this attack on the UK still have happened?

[jameslofton29]

Some of the liberal posts I've seen here are pretty pathetic. Its your pacifist feelings that will ensure more 9/11's in the years to come. You do not negotiate with these people! You do not offer them peace deals! You do not call a cease fire! The only thing that speaks to these people is mass murder, and they need to be given a very large dose of it. You want this War on Terror to stop? Start sending large numbers of these people to Allah, by way of large mushroom clouds. They love burning american buildings. They love burning London buses and trains. They love burning spanish trains. They love young burning bodies in nightclubs in Bali. I cant wait to see how much they love the annihilation of Baghdad, Tehran, Kabul,Jakarta, Riyadh, Amman, Damascus,etc. Since they get off on mass murder, they're gonna love it when those cities are destroyed. Thats tens of millions dead. That should keep their appetites satisfied for at least a few years.