Planning for the next tour...

[Chief]

i just read this article about Queen and i think Guns can apply a tour plan just like this to get back in the ring, or something similar. what do you guys think?

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000991264

[jameslofton29]

I have questions about this so called "next" tour. Who's going to promote it? Who's gonna pay for it? Who's gonna pay the astronomical insurance premiums for each show? Axl burnt alot of bridges with that 2002 fiasco. That tour is one of the worst moments in GNR history. The only thing good about it is the fact that we got bootlegs of some new songs, making the wait a little less frustrating. I really hope he tours again so the HTGTH members who never seen GNR live can finally get the chance to do so, but in my opinion, its not gonna happen. Just pray for CD.

[DemocracyRose]

To begin with, they could play some festivals in europe next year....

[DoubleTalkingJive]

I don't know exactly how to speculate on a tour.   He does like to start off his tours with a big festival but who knows.  Like James said, who is going to promote it?  Hopefully thinks can get settled with CC.

[WAR41]

hahahaha good one.... oh wait... you are serious

Axl is going to be fronting a lot of his own money for the next tour.  As lofton said, no one is going to take chances with them anymore.  Unless if they play in an open field with nothing around to destroy and make all concert-goers sign a contract stating that if they get hurt/die it isnt the fault of GNR or the promoter.  Then they may have a shot.

[jimmythegent]

Yes, essentially GN'R as a touring act are a potential liability for any promoter.
They were on the Illusions tour, but they were huge in those days so promoters would be more likely to take a chance.

Unless Axl can consistently sell out arenas and get to gigs in a timely fashion etc.. the idea of a tour seems absurd

[jameslofton29]

Good to see you guys seeing the reality of the situation. As you said Jimmy, talks about a tour are absurd. And WAR41, Axl will not use his own money. Do you have any idea what it would cost to pay for your own world tour? He would go broke just on insuring each concert. Axl isnt a potential liability, he is a liability. Its just not gonna happen. If it does, it will be the ugliest trainwreck GNR has done yet. I think he should just concentrate on albums, and forget about touring.

[Chief]

yeah i assumed a lot of things in the post but assuming the album does relatively well then i'm sure they will tour.

if they start off smaller and prove they are doing good shows and work their way up i think it can be done.

I'm not counting them out yet!!

[jameslofton29]

I dont really want to count him out yet either, but it looks pretty grim. IF there is a tour, I think he should release CD first and let the hysteria die down . Do some interviews, tv shows, maybe host SNL, things like that. Get used to being in the limelight again. If he adjusts well to the situation, then I think a tour would be feasible. Lets sat CD is out in November. He should wait until summer to tour. And he shouldn't headline by himself right away. Do a Lollapalooza type tour first. That way, everything isn't on his shoulders, and if he makes mistakes, others can help carry the load. 

[younggunner]

First and foremost release the album. That alone will be enough promotion for the band and show promotors that Axl is serious again.

Secondly do some european festival tours...play the new stuff and see hwo it goes from there.

GNR will not have a problem touring when/if the new material is out. The ball is in Axls court. When hes ready all he has to do is release the album and everything esle will take care of itself

[ClintroN]

Good to see you guys seeing the reality of the situation. As you said Jimmy, talks about a tour are absurd. And WAR41, Axl will not use his own money. Do you have any idea what it would cost to pay for your own world tour? He would go broke just on insuring each concert. Axl isnt a potential liability, he is a liability. Its just not gonna happen. If it does, it will be the ugliest trainwreck GNR has done yet. I think he should just concentrate on albums, and forget about touring.

you gotta realise that as your writting this n' thinkin' what would be fucked if they did a tour, the thing is we dont know n' you dont know, n' plus, no ones talkin' about a tour or anything. The 02' tour wasnt the worst moments either mate, c'mon dude.

[killingvector]

The days of touring without a new album to promote are over, especially those involving spacious arenas.

Release date, single, a few festivals, then we can talk about a tour.

[Dr. Blutarsky]

I don`t think they`ll be booking arenas in Idaho anytime soon.......

GNR does better in the bigger markets with those shows.

[RichardNixon]

Can Axl/GN'R go on tour w/o Clear Channel? Is there someone else that can promote the tour? Or are they dead in the H20 w/o CC?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Axl is going to have to tour europe first and show he can make all the shows, then he will get backed in the USA espeically if CD does well.

[DemocracyRose]

Axl is going to have to tour europe first and show he can make all the shows, then he will get backed in the USA espeically if CD does well.

Yes, and this could fit perfectly with a Spring/Summer release next year...

[nesquick]

I think they should start with small venues and then when the album is out they should play stadium/arena gigs. I would go for stadiums. I want something big. Big sound, big lights, big stage, big crowd, big media coverage, welll, big success! something ala "use your illusion tour".

OH YEAH and put fortus on lead. It will be much more credible.

[kyrie]

Wow some people here are clueless.

No, Axl will not be fronting the money himself.

Forget about touring - this is possibly the most thoughtless comment I've ever seen. Touring is where an artist makes his money. Even a tour 1/4th of the size of the last one could make Axl some cash. Check PollStar if you wanna see what GNR took in for a single night in the 2002 tour. The shows that did well, did REALLY fucking well.

As for insurance costs/liability - someone will foot the bill. Don't even be surprised if it turns out to be Clear Channel again - but ONLY if there's an album to go with the tour. And with an iron-clad contract and a shitload of restrictions.

GH went on the be a top disc AFTER the fiasco, and despite it being old songs, someone will want to cash in. If CD can sell a million copies, and I'm pretty sure it can, then someone will jump in. There's a couple other viable promoters that could put on a good show, although CC is the largest (thanks to  bullshit US laws).

You want a tour? Here's an idiot-proof tour for you:

Japan - Osaka and Tokyo. They did Summersonic in 2002 and were very successful. They could play those cities solo (with an opening act or two) and sell the joints out (even Tokyodome).

Europe - some festivals again, and some solo dates mixed in. 10 dates total, spread out - none of this four shows a week bullshit. The last tour was, imo, too compacted.

US - 10 shows in MAJOR MARKETS. Do NOT play buttfuck, idaho.

New York
Albany, NY (two NY State shows are no problem, Albany pulled in around 10K people last time)
Philly (if possible - they owe Philly, they cancelled two shows there, and the first was sold out)
Boston (Boston was a strong-selling show last time)
Buffalo
Los Angles (was to be the final show of the last tour, got missed)
Chicago
Dallas
??  - Florida
Las Vegas (since they seem to like it).

Notice - no Detroit. Detroit is not rock city these days. After these dates you play Canada - next to MSG in MY, Toronto was the biggest show on the 2002 tour and the band always does great there.

Canada:

Toronto (near sell-out at about 15,000)
London, ON (this was a sold-out show, I was there, people were turned away from the ticket windows, several people snuck in, although the building holds only 9000 for concerts (10,000 for hockey), and the building owner/manager(?), when interviewed after the cancellation of the tour, said he'd take them back no problem since they made him a shitload of money).
City of Your Choice - since we've started riots in Vancouver and Montreal, Calgary or Edmonton make more sense.

So there's 2 Japan shows, 10 Euro shows, 10 US, and 3 Canadian shows.

25 shows for an opening leg of the tour. You then book later dates depending on the success of the album over time, adding strong markets, and revisiting some of the places that were hot before.

This crap in booking Boise, Biloxi, etc. - even before the tour last time I knew those dates would suck. I knew Detroit would suck since it's now Feminem country. You can add those later when there's a single or two out and the album (we hope) is doing well, but you don't do them to start and you sure as fuck don't do them without an album.

[JJ]

I hope they come to europe (Belgium!  ) and first play very small places... max. 2.500 people!

... at least when I have the chance to buy tickets because it will be SOLD OUT IN SECONDS of course!

Now that would be awesome!

But that would never happen... even "a tour" will never happen again... I think. 

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

axl's gonna tour on the internet.

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