Could Axl have done it without the old guys?

[younggunner]

is that booker floyd???

holy cow let me rub my eyes...where the hell have u been?

i kinda missed u

[jimmythegent]

The whole thing with this is, that as Slash said in the BTM doco, he wanted to "keep the fucking thing going".

It is clear that prior to  the Illusions tour, Axl essentially gave the band an ultimaum (which was tantamount to blackmail) - total control or the tour/band is off. With their livelihoods at stake, they chose to continue, while putting forth a united, public front that they were on the same page as Axl. This would be the only context in which Slash would claim he put that backing band together - ?to go along with Axl and at least publicy show a united "band" front with him.

Slash is the same guy who had reservations about Dizzy, a mere keyboardist, coming into the fold. He has always proffessed a love and a work ethic for back to a basics style rock n roll.

however it was Axl who loved Queen and Elton John and had grandiose visions for GN'R as opposed to Slash's idea of GN'R as an honest rock n roll band. When you look at it rationally like this, can you really put your hand on your heart and claim that Slash was the reason this bloated period of GNR exists?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Falcon I know how stupid you are and how fried your brain must be. But like I said, I have already proven this a few times and I am not looking for that quote again.

Actually Dave, all that youve done is use the same excuse.?

Keep up the good work Falcon, always great to see you posting.?

Booker  you were even posting in the thread where I proven it. Its ok, you know that I am right, and its fine. It just shows how you have no class and cant admit that I have shown the proof in the past. And you can point to what ever thread you want. I have found the quote before and Im not finding it again.

I just love how you keep showing how classless you really are.

[Falcon]

Actually Dave, all that youve done is use the same excuse.?

Keep up the good work Falcon, always great to see you posting.?

The return of Booker Floyd, this almost deserves it's own thread ?

Great to see you back and posting as well

 this place just got a lot smarter.

[jimmythegent]

Actually Dave, all that youve done is use the same excuse.?

Keep up the good work Falcon, always great to see you posting.?

The return of Booker Floyd, this almost deserves it's own thread ?

Great to see you back and posting as well

 this place just got a lot smarter.

gotta agree with that - the most logical, reasoned posts ive read here 

[younggunner]

If Slash and company had any balls or brains at that particular time they would have told Axl to go fuck hismelf and ended the show right there. Do you honestly think Axl would have ended GNr if they didnt sign? and EVEN if he did, who would be looked upon as the biggest asshole in music? Axl not the band. the whole thing would have been pinned on Axl.

Axl saw the car wreck coming and he wanted control over the situation. Hes that type of person. I highly doubt Axl the future of GNr to be soley about himself. But when the time came and IF the old band split, Axl still wanted the band name to be his.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

BTW Booker and falcon.
This is not the quote, but this is coming from a slash fan who even knows that it was slash's idea.
Someone unbiased and not even in this thread.

Personally i think the back up singers, horn section.....etc? sucked ass.
No matter whos idea it was, it was an awful one. I was kinda surprised to find out it was supposedly Slash's idea- but they are really only needed in November Rain, Bad Obsession and Move to the City.

Back to the topic, I agree 100 per cent about them sounding better, but what do u mean "even with ballads like Estranged and Patience"? those songs rule, and suited GNR perfectly!

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?action=post;quote=347358;topic=20327.40;num_replies=43;sesc=56be6013607d3aa846919449b5a362cb

[Falcon]

..I have found the quote before and Im not finding it again...

You've spent more fucking time telling people you won't find the quote than it would have to actually find the fucking thing.

Brilliant.

F

[jimmythegent]

If Slash and company had any balls or brains at that particular time they would have told Axl to go fuck hismelf and ended the show right there. Do you honestly think Axl would have ended GNr if they didnt sign? and EVEN if he did, who would be looked upon as the biggest asshole in music? Axl not the band. the whole thing would have been pinned on Axl.

Axl saw the car wreck coming and he wanted control over the situation. Hes that type of person. I highly doubt Axl the future of GNr to be soley about himself. But when the time came and IF the old band split, Axl still wanted the band name to be his.

I agree, Slash and Duff should have done what Izzy did, 've always assumed however, that perhaps Izzy was in a sound place financially where as those two could well have squandered their earnings at that point

Exactly why Slash and Duff must take some responsibilty

However, I still feel it's ludicrous to lay the blame for that period on Slash

[Falcon]

BTW Booker and falcon.
This is not the quote, but this is coming from a slash fan who even knows that it was slash's idea.
Someone unbiased and not even in this thread.

Now you're quoting other posters to vaildate it was Slash's idea?

You're kidding, right?

[younggunner]

However, I still feel it's ludicrous to lay the blame for that period on Slash

Nothing during that period should be blamed soley on 1 member. Each contributed to the demiise of the old band.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

..I have found the quote before and Im not finding it again...

You've spent more fucking time telling people you won't find the quote than it would have to actually find the fucking thing.

Brilliant.

F

Falcon because you cannot understand the fact I am not going to look for it. The site that ?had the interview is not online anymore, so im not looking anyfurther. But like I said, look at that slash fan from ?another thread, even he knows that it was slashs idea. So stop your crying already.

BTW Booker and falcon.
This is not the quote, but this is coming from a slash fan who even knows that it was slash's idea.
Someone unbiased and not even in this thread.

Now you're quoting other posters to vaildate it was Slash's idea?

You're kidding, right?

Like I said that is just another person that read slash say that it was his idea.

Its funny that a poster on this board that is a huge slash fan, said he also read that yet you still dont believe it.
But you have no class and wont admit that it was slash's idea and that is fine.
Keep being? yourself, its fine with me.

[jimmythegent]

However, I still feel it's ludicrous to lay the blame for that period on Slash

Nothing during that period should be blamed soley on 1 member. Each contributed to the demiise of the old band.

youre right, they all contributed, some more than others it would seem

It would be fascinating to hear Axl's whole story, a shame he pulled out of the RS article

[younggunner]

It would be fascinating to hear Axl's whole story, a shame he pulled out of the RS article

It will come out eventually if/when CD comes out. Im sure he'll do a couple of interviews.

[Falcon]

Falcon because you cannot understand the fact I am not going to look for it.

I understand that fully. ?

Do you understand it's open for debate until a slash quote is in fact produced and vailidated?

Do you? Do you really understand?

The site that ?had the interview is not online anymore, so im not looking anyfurther.

Ya sure, ok.

Hey, wait a minute, couldn't that quote also be found here if it were ever posted?

Hmm..

 But like I said, look at that slash fan from ?another thread, even he knows that it was slashs idea.

Again, so the fuck what?

So stop your crying already.

No crying here, just asking for proof of an allegation.

[killingvector]

However, I still feel it's ludicrous to lay the blame for that period on Slash

Nothing during that period should be blamed soley on 1 member. Each contributed to the demiise of the old band.

youre right, they all contributed, some more than others it would seem

It would be fascinating to hear Axl's whole story, a shame he pulled out of the RS article

Once again, Slash recruited the players. If it was a bad idea, I doubt very much that he would have handpicked the players. To blame the expansion of the touring band on Axl simply is revising history.

[younggunner]

im just speaking in general...not the whole who picked the horns thing.

I do remember reading the point about Slash coming up with the idea for the horns. I also think one of the players was Duffs sister

[jimmythegent]

However, I still feel it's ludicrous to lay the blame for that period on Slash

Nothing during that period should be blamed soley on 1 member. Each contributed to the demiise of the old band.

youre right, they all contributed, some more than others it would seem

It would be fascinating to hear Axl's whole story, a shame he pulled out of the RS article

Once again, Slash recruited the players. If it was a bad idea, I doubt very much that he would have handpicked the players. To blame the expansion of the touring band on Axl simply is revising history.

he may have hand-picked them as you say, but i doubt very much it was his idea - there are obviously conflicting accounts of this

I would venture a guess to say that after Axl made his ultimatum, he sweetened the deal for Slash somewhat and allowed him to "hand-pick" the horn players, backing singers etc... it is not an idea that is consistent with Slash's whole musical approach for the last 20 years. I re-iterate, this is an assumption on my part and is no way being stated as fact.

[Genesis]

Its funny that a poster on this board that is a huge slash fan, said he also read that yet you still dont believe it.
But you have no class and wont admit that it was slash's idea and that is fine.

You argue like a kid. 

[younggunner]

who cares if GNr used horns for a period. It was only for a leg of a tour. They had the balls to try something different. Did it work? FOr some it did, for others it didnt. After that they stripped it down and went back to bare min. Just a stage in a bands career.