GNR vs VR (Player By Player)

[BenDrinking49]

I thought it would be fun to compare the musicianship of these two bands. The way this will work is that I will compare each position (Lead Singer, Lead Guitar...etc), in both VR and GNR and comment on who the best player is. Let me remind you that the following is just my opinion and it is in your power to disagree with me. Here we go:

Lead Singer - (Axl Rose vs Scott Weiland) - No contest here, Axl takes this battle hands down. Don't get me wrong. I think Scott is a great singer, but Axl is perhaps one of the greatest front men of all time.

Lead Guitar - (Robin Finck vs Slash) - Once again, these are two great musicians but I am afraid that Slash wins it. No one can combine melody with hard rock licks like Slash can.

Rhythm Guitar (Richard Fortus vs David Kushner) - this one's kind of a toss up. I would have to give it to Kushner since he played with Suicidal Tendencies.

Bass Guitar - (Tommy Stinson vs Duff McKagan) This one is suprisingly close. I love Tommy's bass line on The Bluse, but in the end I think McKagan wins it. The bass line in Rocket Queen puts him over the top.

Drums - (Brain vs Matt Sorum). This one is close too, but I?d have to give it to one of my all time favorite drummers, Matt Sorum. His work on the Illusion albums (Especially Coma) was really amazing. Maybe once CD comes out, Brain will impress me as well.

Keyboards - Since VR doesn't have a keys player, this one goes to Dizzy Reed by default.

And the totals are: GNR 2 - VR 4.

These are just my thoughts; I'd like to hear some of yours.

Ben





 

[ktucker450]

i agree with them all, but i think axls presence is so huge it honestly takes over more than two of the members of VR by himself

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Lock in T minus 10, 9.....

[sandman]

axl. although looking at this objectively, this is close due to axl's inability to be a good leader of a band (and that's really saying something when scott fuckin weiland is significantly better than someone when it comes to showing up, making music, etc.)

slash. no question.

fortis. gnr improved greatly when this guy came on board. was never a fan til then and i wish i had noticed him years ago.

duff. this one's close, but i prefer duff's influences.

matt. i think brain is a weak link in the new gnr.

i prefer no keyboards, so VR gets the nod here.

VR ? 4
GNR 2

[BenDrinking49]

Lock in T minus 10, 9.....

If you have nothing interesting to say, then don't clog up my post with your inane coments.

I agree Sandman, I prefer no keyboards.

[D]

Brain is a much better drummer than Sorum, we just havent got to hear what he can do on a GNR record properly

U dont play with Primus and Buckethead if u arent amazing.



here is the ranking system and the fair way to do it

Axl
vocals 10
apperance 8
style 8
presence 10
energy 10
lyrics 10

Scott
vocals 8
appearance 8
style 10
presence 10
energy 10
lyrics 8

Axl wins 56-54


guitar

Slash
stage presence 10
energy 8
ability 10
cool factor 10

robin
stage presence 8
energy 8
ability 8
cool factor 7

slash wins 38-31

Dave
stage presence 5
energy 10
ability 7
cool factor 7

richard
stage presence 6
energy 10
ability 8
cool factor 8

Richard wins 32-29

Duff
stage presence 8
energy 8
ability 7
cool factor 8

Tommy
Stage presence 8
energy 8
ability 9
cool factor 7

Tommy wins 32-31

Drums
Matt
ability 8
presence 8
energy 8
cool factor 0  just kiddin 7

Brain
ability 8
presence 6
energy 8
cool factor 6

matt wins 31-28

so far overall

VR 183
GNR 179

once CD is release we will reevaluate

[Surfrider]

Axl
vocals 10
apperance 8
style 8
presence 10
energy 10
lyrics 10

Scott
vocals 8
appearance 8
style 10
presence 10
energy 10
lyrics 8

Well, I'm not sure that one can compare Axl's style from the 80's to Weiland's style today.  Back in the day, no matter how funny it looks now, Axl had style.  Of course, in Axl's most recent outings he hasn't exactly lived up to that.  I would probably equate that more to the fact that he was out of shape rather than losing his sense of style.

[Lord Kayoss]

I thought it would be fun to compare the musicianship of these two bands. The way this will work is that I will compare each position (Lead Singer, Lead Guitar...etc), in both VR and GNR and comment on who the best player is. Let me remind you that the following is just my opinion and it is in your power to disagree with me. Here we go:

Lead Singer - (Axl Rose vs Scott Weiland) - No contest here, Axl takes this battle hands down. Don't get me wrong. I think Scott is a great singer, but Axl is perhaps one of the greatest front men of all time.

Lead Guitar - (Robin Finck vs Slash) - Once again, these are two great musicians but I am afraid that Slash wins it. No one can combine melody with hard rock licks like Slash can.

Rhythm Guitar (Richard Fortus vs David Kushner) - this one's kind of a toss up. I would have to give it to Kushner since he played with Suicidal Tendencies.

Bass Guitar - (Tommy Stinson vs Duff McKagan) This one is suprisingly close. I love Tommy's bass line on The Bluse, but in the end I think McKagan wins it. The bass line in Rocket Queen puts him over the top.

Drums - (Brain vs Matt Sorum). This one is close too, but I?d have to give it to one of my all time favorite drummers, Matt Sorum. His work on the Illusion albums (Especially Coma) was really amazing. Maybe once CD comes out, Brain will impress me as well.

Keyboards - Since VR doesn't have a keys player, this one goes to Dizzy Reed by default.

And the totals are: GNR 2 - VR 4.

These are just my thoughts; I'd like to hear some of yours.

Ben





 

So basically you're saying you like the old GN'R lineup. 

[Mr. Nik™]

Lead Singer - (Axl Rose vs Scott Weiland) - No contest here, Axl takes this battle hands down. Don't get me wrong. I think Scott is a great singer, but Axl is perhaps one of the greatest front men of all time.

I totally agree on Axl.

Lead Guitar - (Robin Finck vs Slash) - They are too different to compare..

Rhythm Guitar (Richard Fortus vs David Kushner) - No contest: "basically, Richard's the guy that we always were looking for." Axl Rose.

Bass Guitar - (Tommy Stinson vs Duff McKagan) Duff is very great, but Tommy is on a superior artistic level. Absolutely.

Drums - (Brain vs Matt Sorum). This one is close, great Sorum on Illusions, but Brain worked amazing with Primus.. however, they are a lot different, is difficult to compare.

[D]

We are going by today

Axl had style back then, but he definitely gets low marks for the braids,oversized jerseys and workout pants.

late 80's early 90's he wouldve had a 10

2002 he gets a generous 8.

[Smoking Guns]

I agree with D. Old school GNR, not many bands on the planet could beat. 

Nu Axl may lose to Weiland because in a live setting, Weiland can sound amazing, where as a live setting for Axl can be a total debacle, see MTV awards.

Scott
Slash
Fortus (barely)
Duff
Matt
 
4-1 in this one. 

However, if axl returns to his old style (pre illusions) he will be the winner.  He has more talent, better studio voice, better lyrics.  However, Weiland, after rose, is the next best frontman of our time.  Blows vedder and cobain away.  I can't think of anyone else post 87 that is better.  Ian Atsbury is good, but not as famous.

[W. Botaxl Rose]

In the new millenium, Weiland puts botaxl to shame & that's putting it nicely.

finCk is nothing more than a gnat on Slash's morning shit.

Dave Kushner played with Suicidal Tendencies. Meanwhile, dick fOrtus fagged it up with N'Sync. That about sums it up for me.

Take your pick with Tommy & Duff.

Sorum's always been a little heavy handed for my tastes, so I'll go with Brain on this one.

[damnthehaters]

To be honest with you, i have no respect for Matt after his comments towards Axl and November Rain on the VH1 special.  He obviously doesn't know good music.     

[Eazy E]

D, you give Kushner a "5" for stage presence?... You need to watch Slither at Live 8 again!

[D]

Dave got a 10 for energy

stage presence is when u are the man, for instance at the VR show I couldnt stop lookin at Scott, thats stage presence

Im sure not many go to a VR show and say, "I cant wait to see Dave" know what im sayin?

he gives great energy but not many are gonna watch him over scott/slash etc.

thats why he gets a 5 for stage presence.

[nesquick]

I give my rate of gn'r and vr of nowadays, I speack about the 2000's not the early 90's.

Axl
vocals 8 (10 back in the days)
apperance 5 with the braids - 8 without (10 back in the days)
style 10
presence 10
energy 10
lyrics 10

Scott
vocals 7
appearance 8
style 7
presence 9
energy 7
lyrics 7

Axl wins 53-45


guitar

Slash
stage presence 10
energy 9
ability 10
look/cool factor 10

robin
stage presence 8
energy 7
ability 7
look/cool factor 2

slash wins 39-24

Dave
stage presence 5
energy 9
ability 8
cool factor 7

richard
stage presence 8
energy 10
ability 9
cool factor 10

Richard wins 37-29

Duff
stage presence 9
energy 8
ability 8
cool factor 10

Tommy
Stage presence 8
energy 9
ability 9
cool factor 8

Duff wins 35-34

Drums
Matt
ability 7
presence 7
energy 7
cool factor 7

Brain
ability 9
presence 6
energy 8
cool factor 6

Brain wins 29-28

[D]

Dude u are so biased its not even cool


Scott a 6 for energy? u have obviously never watched Scott Weiland perform in your life.

Scott's got style by the truckload as well.

Axl's braids and oversized jerseys get a 10 for style? but Scott's kick ass leather outfits get a 7?

[nesquick]

I modify my judgment: 7 for scott instead of 6 for the energy (I saw VR live)

and

the look is part of the "apperance" thing for me. so don't worry scott is a better good looking guy than axl today (but axl destroyed him back in the days) The style is the moves, the dance, the kind of frontmen they are, and axl is fantastic whereas scott is good but not mind-blowing..

[elmir]

I agree on Axl, well, 80's and 90's Axl. Mind you, the 2002 shows Axl was pretty good also. Wins over Scott purely on vocal ability.

Lead Guitar - (Robin Finck vs Slash) - Slash, but also agree on the fact that they're too different.
                     ( Buckethead vs Slash) - is a difficult one. emotionally, Slash gets it, but on technical superiority, Bucket is          the man. Not that it really counts, since he's no longer in the band.

Rhythm Guitar (Richard Fortus vs David Kushner) - Richard.

Bass Guitar - (Tommy Stinson vs Duff McKagan) Duff.

Drums - (Brain vs Matt Sorum). Brain. He may be an ass sometimes towards the NUGNR and Axl in particular with his little comments, but I reckon on ability he can kick Sorum's ass anyday.

[rainX]

this a very elaborate thread for either bashing the current lineup or bashing scott.

To each his own, debating a ranking system for "coolness" of each member, you might as well try and argue religion with someone.