For all the people that complain Axl doesnt have that rasp in his voice anymore

[Butch Français]

Ask any voice specialist or authority on opera. You'll get the answer that most singers reach the peak of their voice at around the age of 40. Or ask otolaryngologists. That's biologically proven.

Wow.? I can't believe that the majority of posters in this thread are saying they like Axl's current voice to the old one.? ?Axl is lucky to have such loyal fans.? I hope someday, your loyalty is rewarded.? I enjoy his older voice a lot better, even though I don't HATE the current voice.

Yep, I do. And I don't even consider myself as his loyal fan. even though I don't hate any of his voice, I size up IRS demo voice as the best despite the flaws in singing. It's obviously a rough take in the developing stage of the song but it reveals the quality of the voice. His current voices (he has a multiple singing voice) arouse further delicate and profound feelings than AFD voice. But to be honest, I don't think it was best for paradice city of '02.

By the way, I'm not basically particular about how good a vocal or any certain part is on a rock song as long as I like it as a whole. To me, how the parts relate to each other matters. But since you're arguing on this, I gotta tell what I know and feel.

yeah but thats probably for Operactic trained professionals, Axl didnt sing properly and totally destroyed his voice.

Jon Bon Jovi didnt sing properly and totally destroyed his voice which is nothing like it was in the late 80's, still sounds good but not close to how great he was.

Axl uses the powerful falsetto for his high notes which makes em sound thinner and not as powerful

I prefer the early 90's vocals, but I can live with the 2002 voice.

for the record, I think Jon sounded better in the 80s than what he does now..

I prefer the 1988 Axl voice, and I don't understand the people that talk about his raspy voice. he's ALWAYS had a pretty raspy voice, he took it too far on the UYI tour though, that's all.
these days, ha mainly has a completely clear voice, but sometimes he pulls off his raspy 1990 voice.
but to sing like that all the time would kill the guy.
but anyways, I love Axl's voice in all versions, I don't care what he sounds like, just get the album out and go on tour man!
the people need to hear you again, best hard rock voice ever if you ask me!

[ppbebe]

Ask any voice specialist or authority on opera. You'll get the answer that most singers reach the peak of their voice at around the age of 40. Or ask otolaryngologists. That's biologically proven.

Wow.  I can't believe that the majority of posters in this thread are saying they like Axl's current voice to the old one.   Axl is lucky to have such loyal fans.  I hope someday, your loyalty is rewarded.  I enjoy his older voice a lot better, even though I don't HATE the current voice.

Yep, I do. And I don't even consider myself as his loyal fan. even though I don't hate any of his voice, I size up IRS demo voice as the best despite the flaws in singing. It's obviously a rough take in the developing stage of the song but it reveals the quality of the voice. His current voices (he has a multiple singing voice) arouse further delicate and profound feelings than AFD voice. But to be honest, I don't think it was best for paradice city of '02.

By the way, I'm not basically particular about how good a vocal or any certain part is on a rock song as long as I like it as a whole. To me, how the parts relate to each other matters. But since you're arguing on this, I gotta tell what I know and feel.

yeah but thats probably for Operactic trained professionals, Axl didnt sing properly and totally destroyed his voice.

Jon Bon Jovi didnt sing properly and totally destroyed his voice which is nothing like it was in the late 80's, still sounds good but not close to how great he was.

Axl uses the powerful falsetto for his high notes which makes em sound thinner and not as powerful

I prefer the early 90's vocals, but I can live with the 2002 voice.

Hmm, no and yes

No -operatic or pop or yodel it's same. Scientifically the fact is that human's vocal organs develop fully at about the age of 40.  Personally I think his '02 performance proves the voice studies n science right. I'm talking about his voice on the new songs. He doesn't need to rely on the power anymore.

Yes- there's big difference which is shame.
Pop singers tend to have their peaks of popularity much earlier than of their voice. Besides some people prefer it immature or hoarse, which is a Matter of taste. Me myself am not fussy about the beauty of voice as far as it goes well with other parts n the taste of the song.
Also Pop /rock singers tend to abuse their vocal organs before fully grown. Your Life style can effect on your vocal organs a great deal. Smoking n heavy drink are evils. Forcing your throat too much can cause polyps n cancers.

But, if it were the case with Axl, he would't be able to sing for 45 mins in the studio and do it again as many times as needed, as Sean Beaven describes him.

I don't know much about Bon Jovi but I hear that he'd sing an opera piece for a warm-up before each show.
Also there are exceptional singers like Iggy Pop, who did everything bad for him in his younger days and sings no worse than then. (I'm no expert about him either.)

[badapple81]

One of my fav Axl voices is RIR2 second night. 92 tended to vary show to show, for example Oklahoma wasn't the best but then Chicago a few nights later was a lot better. I thought generally in 93 his voice was a lot better.

[Twisted Nerve 85]

Twisted Nerve 85 (and co.)? If you can't tell Axl was holding back on the '02 tour, you've got issues.? The way Axl sang through the Illusions days was not sustainable.? I think IRS and OMG offer us the best indication of what we'll hear voice-wise on Chinese Democracy...oh yeah, plus the little snippet of the songs from the Boston audio...trust me.?

Now, if you're gonna tell me Axl had a career-worst performance at the VMA's...then you are correct.? While portions were very good, on the whole, Axl swung and missed there.? I don't know what the hell the problem was, hopefully we find out when Axl comes out of hiding.

This whole voice thing reminds me of the first time I saw GNR live in July of '92 in Buffalo with Metallica.? I was very impressed with how Metallica sounded to me almost identical live as on the Black album.? GNR was different.? GNR (to me) sounded way different live than on the Illusions and Appetite...but I loved it!? Just my 2 cents.? ??

 

I never said Axl wasnt holding back. I mean listening to WTTJ in Rock in Rio three in the intro u can tell that he can hit those notes still, Im simply saying that he NEVER IN ANY GNR SONG sounded like he did on the 2002 tour. Its blasphemy to even say such a thing. And hopefully he will explain to us what happened to the voice we all came to love. 

[Dust N Rose]

Something is going wrong with some of you guys.
You tend to say Axl destroyed his voice in 1991. Why then in 1992-93 he sounds perfect? Is it possible to make the damage and let it be shown after 10 years!?
Also, bigdaddy was recorded in 1998, that's far away from 2002. I even think 2001 was better than 2002. Sometimes he's like he has breathed in helium and some people also complain that he sings like Mickey. I think it's a shock in the beggining when you listen to him but then you get used. I think it won't affect people's interest nevertheless. I've seen many of my friends that prefer the newer voice (almost everybody who is not used at the old one).

And something last, Axl had a surgery at his throat? I didn't know that. When? That could make his voice better and not worse (perhaps). Claus from Scorpions had a surgery too. I know that those surgeries are easier now. I also heard once that Bonnie Tyler (you know, the lady who sings "total eclipse of my heart" acquired her beautiful voice after a false surgery. Could another surgery restore Axl's voice to the top 

[Lord Kayoss]

Hardcore Gunners will be arguing about Axl's voice till the end of time.? And whether it's different or the same - the real issue is the millions of casual fans who were into GN'R fifteen years ago aren't gonna take the time to understand why it's this way instead of how it was (or seemed to be or whatever).? Now days when the average music fan hears Axl's voice - they don't like it and move on.

Sad but true.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Hardcore Gunners will be arguing about Axl's voice till the end of time.? And whether it's different or the same - the real issue is the millions of casual fans who were into GN'R fifteen years ago aren't gonna take the time to understand why it's this way instead of how it was (or seemed to be or whatever).? Now days when the average music fan hears Axl's voice - they don't like it and move on.

Sad but true.

That is funny since on Oh my god and IRS, and scom big daddy he sounded great, just like he didnt back on the old albums and the people at the boston show while walking out, were all saying they cant believe how great he sounded.  Most people think axl sounds find save the VMAs. So I dont know what you are talking about.

[Lord Kayoss]

Hardcore Gunners will be arguing about Axl's voice till the end of time.? And whether it's different or the same - the real issue is the millions of casual fans who were into GN'R fifteen years ago aren't gonna take the time to understand why it's this way instead of how it was (or seemed to be or whatever).? Now days when the average music fan hears Axl's voice - they don't like it and move on.

Sad but true.

That is funny since on Oh my god and IRS, and scom big daddy he sounded great, just like he didnt back on the old albums and the people at the boston show while walking out, were all saying they cant believe how great he sounded.? Most people think axl sounds find save the VMAs. So I dont know what you are talking about.

Being the creator of the thread that doesn't surprise me.

And again - I said the "average music fan".? The people walking out of the Boston show were obviously hardcore Gunners or they wouldn't have been there to see only Axl.

Everyone I know whom I've shared any Nu GN'R with have all given me that "what the hell happened" look and didn't want to hear anymore.? And I haven't heard one person (outside these boards) who actually watched the 2002 VMA's say anything positive about it.? And as much as I love "The Blues" I agree with many that Axl is not the same.

But hey - I'm an avid fan and am planning to buy "Chinese Democracy" if and when we see it.? I just don't think the same can be said for as many as you may think.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Hardcore Gunners will be arguing about Axl's voice till the end of time.? And whether it's different or the same - the real issue is the millions of casual fans who were into GN'R fifteen years ago aren't gonna take the time to understand why it's this way instead of how it was (or seemed to be or whatever).? Now days when the average music fan hears Axl's voice - they don't like it and move on.

Sad but true.

That is funny since on Oh my god and IRS, and scom big daddy he sounded great, just like he didnt back on the old albums and the people at the boston show while walking out, were all saying they cant believe how great he sounded.? Most people think axl sounds find save the VMAs. So I dont know what you are talking about.

Being the creator of the thread that doesn't surprise me.

And again - I said the "average music fan".? The people walking out of the Boston show were obviously hardcore Gunners or they wouldn't have been there to see only Axl.

Everyone I know whom I've shared any Nu GN'R with have all given me that "what the hell happened" look and didn't want to hear anymore.? And I haven't heard one person (outside these boards) who actually watched the 2002 VMA's say anything positive about it.? And as much as I love "The Blues" I agree with many that Axl is not the same.

But hey - I'm an avid fan and am planning to buy "Chinese Democracy" if and when we see it.? I just don't think the same can be said for as many as you may think.

Why dont you just answer the question and not the question you want to? First off bootlegs never do a singer justice. If you are there LIVE it sounds different from some fan or live recording.

Also like I said, Axl is an amazing studio singer. Just listen to the studio songs. You dont think he sounds good? Give  you friends those songs, or listen to the songs he re did on live era, like WTTJ. You dont think that sounds like vintage Axl?

[GNFNR_UK]

'Everyone I know whom I've shared any Nu GN'R with have all given me that "what the hell happened" look and didn't want to hear anymore.  And I haven't heard one person (outside these boards) who actually watched the 2002 VMA's say anything positive about it.'

To a certain extent I can agree with that statement, whilst I love new GNR and truly believe some of this new stuff is the best material Axl has ever done, friends whom I have played the new songs to (Even the IRS demo) have complained about his 'new voice' and given me that same look. These same friends loved GNR back in the late 80's/early 90's. However these friends have had very positive things to say about the music on the tracks and agreed that studio versions with cleaned up vocals could be amazing. Again that is the one positive thing they had to say about the VMA performance, whilst they were dissapointed with Axls performance they loved Buckethead and the outro of PC, they were like DAMN!!!!!!!!!

This isn't my opinion, this is the opinion of casual GNR fan friends of mine. I too am a 'die hard gunner', I don't have a problem with Axl's new voice, I have become used to it because I have been playing the 'new' songs almost daily for the last 3 years! I have said it before 'Madagascar' and 'The Blues' in my opinion are 2 of the best songs Axl has ever written.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

The thing people forget is this. Give those same fans SCOM from the toyko DVD And ask them how Axl sounds. I bet most will say he sounded like shit.

[GNFNR_UK]

The thing people forget is this. Give those same fans SCOM from the toyko DVD And ask them how Axl sounds. I bet most will say he sounded like shit.

Yep definately, even I find it hard to watch the 2nd UYI dvd because of just how bad Axl's voice gets near the end. My friends also would much rather watch the Paris show (Why oh why didn't they release that instead!?). People could argue however that the Tokyo DVD was just one bad night for Axl in amongst some really good ones (Paris) but if people didn't like Axl's voice on one live recording of 'The Blues' the chances are they just don't like his new voice because it didn't differ too much on the different performances that I heard.

[Lord Kayoss]

Hardcore Gunners will be arguing about Axl's voice till the end of time.? And whether it's different or the same - the real issue is the millions of casual fans who were into GN'R fifteen years ago aren't gonna take the time to understand why it's this way instead of how it was (or seemed to be or whatever).? Now days when the average music fan hears Axl's voice - they don't like it and move on.

Sad but true.

That is funny since on Oh my god and IRS, and scom big daddy he sounded great, just like he didnt back on the old albums and the people at the boston show while walking out, were all saying they cant believe how great he sounded.? Most people think axl sounds find save the VMAs. So I dont know what you are talking about.

Being the creator of the thread that doesn't surprise me.

And again - I said the "average music fan".? The people walking out of the Boston show were obviously hardcore Gunners or they wouldn't have been there to see only Axl.

Everyone I know whom I've shared any Nu GN'R with have all given me that "what the hell happened" look and didn't want to hear anymore.? And I haven't heard one person (outside these boards) who actually watched the 2002 VMA's say anything positive about it.? And as much as I love "The Blues" I agree with many that Axl is not the same.

But hey - I'm an avid fan and am planning to buy "Chinese Democracy" if and when we see it.? I just don't think the same can be said for as many as you may think.

First off bootlegs never do a singer justice. If you are there LIVE it sounds different from some fan or live recording.

Also like I said, Axl is an amazing studio singer. Just listen to the studio songs. You dont think he sounds good? Give? you friends those songs, or listen to the songs he re did on live era, like WTTJ. You dont think that sounds like vintage Axl?

Unfortunately the millions of people who watched the 2002 VMA's could not be there LIVE and were all left with a bad impression.? Anyone who has downloaded any clips from the 2002 tour have more often than not been left with a bad impression.

Contrast that with the 80's and early 90's when just about everyone who saw GN'R on TV became a fan instantly.? It's not happening that way anymore.

And as far as the studio claim - "Oh My God's" vocals sounded like crap.? I can live with the song because I'm an Axl-junkie but the rock radio station here had to stop playing it back then because of all the complaints they got about it.? This was told to me by the program director himself when I called in wondering why I had only heard the song on the radio for two weeks then it was gone.

My personal opinion is the "Oh My God" vocal track was highly computerized to cover up the lack of rasp in his voice.? Sounds that way to me anyway.

And even though the IRS download is only a demo - I think it gives a good insight into what to expect from Axl if and when the album drops.? His voice is not the same.? Even with the rasp argument out of the equation his voice is still very different.? That's something I can deal with and get passed but the casual fans aren't showing anything that would indicate they're planning on making the effort to do the same which is key to my point.

[ppbebe]

Contrast that with the 80's and early 90's when just about everyone who saw GN'R on TV became a fan instantly.  It's not happening that way anymore.

Really? I don't know. In contrast, I hear lots of ppl didn't like his old voice at all. They say that was the only put off about GN'R. How about asking those people about his new voice?

And as far as the studio claim - "Oh My God's" vocals sounded like crap.  I can live with the song because I'm an Axl-junkie but the rock radio station here had to stop playing it back then because of all the complaints they got about it.  This was told to me by the program director himself when I called in wondering why I had only heard the song on the radio for two weeks then it was gone.

My personal opinion is the "Oh My God" vocal track was highly computerized to cover up the lack of rasp in his voice.  Sounds that way to me anyway.

And even though the IRS download is only a demo - I think it gives a good insight into what to expect from Axl if and when the album drops.  His voice is not the same.  Even with the rasp argument out of the equation his voice is still very different.

It's not the same. He's developped new voices. Now he has them along with the old ones.
And I like his IRS voice the best of all.
OMG one ought to be like that to make the feel of the track right and to blend in well with other parts. And it kickass. Rasp was not for that feel.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I said this in my first post and I will say it again. Axl DID NOT use the rasp on AFD or the UYIs or even lies. The rasp happened because his voice got fucked up.

[IndiannaRose]

I said this in my first post and I will say it again. Axl DID NOT use the rasp on AFD or the UYIs or even lies. The rasp happened because his voice got fucked up.

How can you even say he did not use it in Lies or the UYIs? Are you not listening right? One In A Million and You're Crazy is a fine example of the 'rasp'. Besides, are you telling me that Axl's voice on Yesterdays sounds 'clean'? His voice began to fuck up in 1988. I can bring in much proof to support that.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I said this in my first post and I will say it again. Axl DID NOT use the rasp on AFD or the UYIs or even lies. The rasp happened because his voice got fucked up.

How can you even say he did not use it in Lies or the UYIs? Are you not listening right? One In A Million and You're Crazy is a fine example of the 'rasp'. Besides, are you telling me that Axl's voice on Yesterdays sounds 'clean'? His voice began to fuck up in 1988. I can bring in much proof to support that.

He does not use rasp on One in a Millon.? The same goes for yestersday. That is not rasp.? Its still clean. It may true to shred his voice here and there but there is a difference. When axl started getting that rasp live, it was no on purpose, he could not help it. Its just how his voice was.  His voice is clean again like it was on AFD, Lies and the Uyis.

[IndiannaRose]

I said this in my first post and I will say it again. Axl DID NOT use the rasp on AFD or the UYIs or even lies. The rasp happened because his voice got fucked up.

How can you even say he did not use it in Lies or the UYIs? Are you not listening right? One In A Million and You're Crazy is a fine example of the 'rasp'. Besides, are you telling me that Axl's voice on Yesterdays sounds 'clean'? His voice began to fuck up in 1988. I can bring in much proof to support that.

He does not use rasp on One in a Millon.? The same goes for yestersday. That is not rasp.? Its still clean. It may true to shred his voice here and there but there is a difference. When axl started getting that rasp live, it was no on purpose, he could not help it. Its just how his voice was.? His voice is clean again like it was on AFD, Lies and the Uyis.

That is rasp. Listen to Donnington 1988, the process had already begun. If you can't figure out the vocal differences between Appetite and the Illusions then sorry, I can't help ya. He started vocally cheating by the early 90s. He reached his peak during 1987. Also, if November Rain doesn't have rasp then I don't know what does. Do you want an example of a clean vocal? Listen to Sweet Child O' Mine or Rocket Queen from Appetite. That's clean. Yesterdays or One In A Million is not what you call 'clean'. His voice was gritty by that point. I don't know how you can deny that.

Also, btw, I wanna say that I think his vocal performance on Democracy will be outstanding, but that is beside the point.

[DunkinDave]

Didn't Fortus say a month or so ago that Axl's still recording vocals for the album?

His problem is that he's taken 8 years to do this and his voice has changed during the duration of the project. The IRS demo very well could have been recorded 6 or 7 years ago. We all know how Axl's voice can change in the period of a year (from 2001 to 2002), so don't automatically assume that demo (or any other demo/bootleg for that matter) reflects his current voice.

Axl probably wants consistent sound for every track. Well, in all likelihood that means he keeps recording vocals over and over again. He dug himself a hole that he'll never be able to get out of.

I think the final album will sound great - but his live voice was terrible as of 3 years ago and he can never turn back time and change that.

[Lord Kayoss]

Contrast that with the 80's and early 90's when just about everyone who saw GN'R on TV became a fan instantly.? It's not happening that way anymore.

Really? I don't know. In contrast, I hear lots of ppl didn't like his old voice at all. They say that was the only put off about GN'R. How about asking those people about his new voice?

So far no good.