For all the people that complain Axl doesnt have that rasp in his voice anymore

[jimmythegent]

High pitched voices can sound cool in rock, I mean Perry Farrell is a good example of this.
His voice used to really irritate me years ago but I really dig it now. I think Axl is /was quite a big Jane's fan too!

I'm rambling now anyway?

yeah I love Janes and Perry has a cool voice
I think Axls is a different kettle of fish to Perry (who sounds almost like a child ive always thought)

[Dead N' Bloated]

I just think some of the original GN'R songs don't sound the same because Axl's voice has changed. ?Take YCBM for instance. ?When he used to get to the "I think we've seen that movie too....OWWWWWWW", now it sounds like "ah". ?It's just weaker.

Thats what I been sayin for 3 years now


 

P.S I still think I voice sounds unreal tho.

I ment to say P.S I still think Axl's voice sounds unreal tho.


 

[GnFnR87]

i thought this was an interesting topic so i went back to my collection of performances on my comp and stumbled across jungle from rio '01. HOLY SHIT!!!! he's almost perfect, especially the opening scream. And also the middle part, with "do u know where u are? you're in the jungle rio, you're gonna dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"..fucking unreal.?That is the best new gnr performance of jungle  i've seen.? i agree with the others, his voice is obviously cleaner, but when he wants to he still can mix it up with some raspy parts/lines.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Oh and for the people that dont like to call it Rasp  you can call it Shredding. But I consider Shredding Clean Rasp, where he does it by design.  The rasp during the UYI tour he was not doing on purpose, his voice was just shot, where as now when he does it, its by design and its more like shredding his voice.

[PhillyRiot]

Wow.  I can't believe that the majority of posters in this thread are saying they like Axl's current voice to the old one.   Axl is lucky to have such loyal fans.  I hope someday, your loyalty is rewarded.  I enjoy his older voice a lot better, even though I don't HATE the current voice.  Any Axl is better than no Axl.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Wow.? I can't believe that the majority of posters in this thread are saying they like Axl's current voice to the old one.? ?Axl is lucky to have such loyal fans.? I hope someday, your loyalty is rewarded.? I enjoy his older voice a lot better, even though I don't HATE the current voice.? Any Axl is better than no Axl.

We dont like his current voice better than his older voice cira 1985-1990 but we like his current voice better than his voice cira 1991-1993.  Axls voice on the studio tracks and clips sounds amazing. Just listen to oh my god, IRS, those clips of the last part of SCOM big daddy. You dont think that his current voice is good?

[Pingouirose]

Wow.? I can't believe that the majority of posters in this thread are saying they like Axl's current voice to the old one.? ?Axl is lucky to have such loyal fans.? I hope someday, your loyalty is rewarded.? I enjoy his older voice a lot better, even though I don't HATE the current voice.? Any Axl is better than no Axl.

 
And I think his voice on IRS is different from AFD tunes, his voice has changed but I like it anyway.

[Twisted Nerve 85]

LISTEN TO ALMOST EVERY GNR SONG EVER MADE!!!! AXLS VOICE WAS ALWAYS RASPY, THATS HIS SIGNATURE VOICE!!!. Hes got the deep voice and a few others but the high pitched rasp (no I dont mean that horrid screech he gave out at the St Louis riot show during the UYI tours) is his signature. And on the 2002 tours everyone says well it sound like he did on Appetite. ARE U PPL DEAF??!! No it doesnt he sound like a little girl thats out of breath,

Now when I say rasp, I dont mean the screeching when he blows out his chords, like Sweet Child of Mine on the the Live Era album. I mean the high pitched raspy voice Axl's known for. Its embarrassing and makes me wanna tear my goddamn ears out when I hear the 2002 shit. I mean if hes saving his voice thats fine. Im sure we'll here his old voice on Chinese Democracy and all will be right in the state of Denmark but dont spit up my ass and tell me its raining 

[D]

Axl's 2002 tour voice sounded more like a falsetto type voice whereas he use to hit the notes more naturally.

falsetto type voices are generally thinner but I think he does that to not harm his vocal cords

He sounded way to good on Oh My God and his opening WTTJ scream for someone to just say he doesnt have it anymore.

Listen to that VMA Jungle scream again and tell me he still cant do it if he wants to.

[Axl4Prez2004]

Twisted Nerve 85 (and co.)  If you can't tell Axl was holding back on the '02 tour, you've got issues.  The way Axl sang through the Illusions days was not sustainable.  I think IRS and OMG offer us the best indication of what we'll hear voice-wise on Chinese Democracy...oh yeah, plus the little snippet of the songs from the Boston audio...trust me. 

Now, if you're gonna tell me Axl had a career-worst performance at the VMA's...then you are correct.  While portions were very good, on the whole, Axl swung and missed there.  I don't know what the hell the problem was, hopefully we find out when Axl comes out of hiding.

This whole voice thing reminds me of the first time I saw GNR live in July of '92 in Buffalo with Metallica.  I was very impressed with how Metallica sounded to me almost identical live as on the Black album.  GNR was different.  GNR (to me) sounded way different live than on the Illusions and Appetite...but I loved it!  Just my 2 cents.    

 

[Smoking Guns]

The voice everyone here likes the most is Axl from the 1988 VMA's Welcome to the Jungle.  It is strong, powerful, raspy, and never runs out of breath.  It is unfocking beleivable.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

The voice everyone here likes the most is Axl from the 1988 VMA's Welcome to the Jungle.? It is strong, powerful, raspy, and never runs out of breath.? It is unfocking beleivable.

Did you know  before that 1988 VMAs 99% of the acts lip synched to their songs and mtv wanted gnr to but they refused and said they wanted to play it live for real. So after that most bands starting playing live for real and not to  a tape. Well at least that is what I remember from a long time ago. Can anyone else verify this?

[Smoking Guns]

The voice everyone here likes the most is Axl from the 1988 VMA's Welcome to the Jungle.? It is strong, powerful, raspy, and never runs out of breath.? It is unfocking beleivable.

Did you know? before that 1988 VMAs 99% of the acts lip synched to their songs and mtv wanted gnr to but they refused and said they wanted to play it live for real. So after that most bands starting playing live for real and not to? a tape. Well at least that is what I remember from a long time ago. Can anyone else verify this?

Guns N Roses may be the greatest band ever.  Dave, will you be happy when the original GNR reunites?  It is going to happen.  There is nothing you can do.

[Johnnyblood]

For all the people that complain Axl does not have that ?rasp? in his voice anymore.? When people complain about this it sometimes boggles my mind.? Axl NEVER had the rasp in his voice until he blew out his voice in the early 90s.? Just listen to the shows from the 80s like the Ritz for example or listen to AFD. Axl does not have a rasp in his voice.? The rasp is a defect in his voice.? Now listen to HOB, that is how a healthy voice should sound.? If you take Axls voice from a 80s show and a show from 2002 they are pretty similar just Axl is older.? So we should really hope Axl does not get that rasp back because that means his voice is screwed up again.

His voice never had a rasp, not in the 80s or 90s. He was losing his voice in the 90s. I was at one of the shows where he couldn't sing... there wasn't any sound, or it was a croaking sound.  In the 80s it just had a fuller sound. Whatever you want to call it, that was gone by the 90s and it's still gone. Don't mean he can't sing now, he just can't sing like he could in the beginning. Personally I think that's one thing that has frightened and vexed him since the early 90s.

[marknroses]

So we should really hope Axl does not get that rasp back because that means his voice is screwed up again.

All the respect to you Dave for sticking to the existing Guns & Axl's voice.
Although there were a few brilliant moments in 2002 when Axl was using that raspy voice (like in the first 35 seconds of the MTV VMA's) the rest just fell off my ears and didn't connect to me. His voice may not have had a rasp when he first came out in 1985 (like what he had in 1992 during the middle of UYI), but it was powerful and he could harness it rather than coming across too raspy or too smooth (hint the last 2002 tour).

I don't think Axl's voice will ever approach what it was pre-1991. He's human, but I still prefer his 1991-1993 vocals to todays. Axl's voice at the Skin & Bones tour in 1993 btw is some of the best vocals he ever had. Besides, he actually harnessed his raspy voice for songs like "Live & Let Die" (Tom Waites meets Metallica) & November Rain. Those are like two of their best songs ever. Makes him sounds like a man with experience - an old man that you want to listen to (like the guy he portrays in "Dead Horse" - the old cowboy).

MNR

[dave-gnfnr2k]

So we should really hope Axl does not get that rasp back because that means his voice is screwed up again.

All the respect to you Dave for sticking to the existing Guns & Axl's voice.
Although there were a few brilliant moments in 2002 when Axl was using that raspy voice (like in the first 35 seconds of the MTV VMA's) the rest just fell off my ears and didn't connect to me. His voice may not have had a rasp when he first came out in 1985 (like what he had in 1992 during the middle of UYI), but it was powerful and he could harness it rather than coming across too raspy or too smooth (hint the last 2002 tour).

I don't think Axl's voice will ever approach what it was pre-1991. He's human, but I still prefer his 1991-1993 vocals to todays. Axl's voice at the Skin & Bones tour in 1993 btw is some of the best vocals he ever had. Besides, he actually harnessed his raspy voice for songs like "Live & Let Die" (Tom Waites meets Metallica) & November Rain. Those are like two of their best songs ever. Makes him sounds like a man with experience - an old man that you want to listen to (like the guy he portrays in "Dead Horse" - the old cowboy).

MNR

The guy is 40 what do you expect plus he also had surgery on his throat. Just listen to IRS demo its from the studio, his voice is still very powerful in a controlled setting, that is all that really matters, how he sounds on the album.  Listen to that scream at the end of IRS, that is vintage Axl. Also listen to the songs axl redid for live era, like WTTJ or my michelle, that voice is very good.  I dont understand why some people like Axl sounding like he did at the toyko DVD, that sounds like crap.
Id take Axls voice now over that anyday.

[MoonMax]

Yes Axl's much older, but the one thing amazes me is that he had chenged the whole singing techniqe. That's good for him. But I guess something went wrong. When you sing you use many aspects, but to be simple, your body is like an instrument. Comparing it to cello your body is "resonator box"(I hope you know what I ment, cause I don't know the english words" and air - kept in the diaphragm is like the bow. Man has like five main resonators(that word again...), and to sound with full sound, you need to use all of them. I don't kow why, Axl stopped using the one in the chest, even a higher one(some call it "mix") and is using only those in the head. That's the way he sounds like stong falsetto(like someone said). You're still saying about high notes. Look at the lower ones. When Axl sings verses to the songs like Mr.B or It's so easy, which starts quite low, I always have that feeling getting tired listing while he's singing.
I think it's definitely because of the surgery, so if Axl want's to kill us with his sound(positive), he has to practice alot and find the best way to do it, thought I've got to admit, he's already done a lot !!!!

I know it's very hard to bash the idol, but when I read Your posts here, it sometimes very weired to me seeing which notes You describes as great and amazing...

IRS - as far as I remember, we don't actualy know when the IRS was exectly recorded.
When you compare rio performence(I've only seen like three songs) to pukkelpop(which I've seen live) you can easy say Axl's voice sounds worst then it was two years(?) earlier.

Rasp - I don't like when Axl screams the whole song out, but here and there is why I love Axl. And the "new clean" voice works out with the new songs, which we're not got used to...

Cheers
MoonMax

[ppbebe]

Ask any voice specialist or authority on opera. You'll get the answer that most singers reach the peak of their voice at around the age of 40. Or ask otolaryngologists. That's biologically proven.

Wow.  I can't believe that the majority of posters in this thread are saying they like Axl's current voice to the old one.   Axl is lucky to have such loyal fans.  I hope someday, your loyalty is rewarded.  I enjoy his older voice a lot better, even though I don't HATE the current voice.

Yep, I do. And I don't even consider myself as his loyal fan. even though I don't hate any of his voice, I size up IRS demo voice as the best despite the flaws in singing. It's obviously a rough take in the developing stage of the song but it reveals the quality of the voice. His current voices (he has a multiple singing voice) arouse further delicate and profound feelings than AFD voice. But to be honest, I don't think it was best for paradice city of '02.

By the way, I'm not basically particular about how good a vocal or any certain part is on a rock song as long as I like it as a whole. To me, how the parts relate to each other matters. But since you're arguing on this, I gotta tell what I know and feel.

[PhillyRiot]

We dont like his current voice better than his older voice cira 1985-1990 but we like his current voice better than his voice cira 1991-1993.? Axls voice on the studio tracks and clips sounds amazing. Just listen to oh my god, IRS, those clips of the last part of SCOM big daddy. You dont think that his current voice is good?


I think his voice is still good, I just guess I get a little nostalgic for the old voice.  Know what was cool?  The Boston version of the Blues when Axl sings the opening verse with a bit more of his older style.  But I was there in Vegas to hear Axl live, and I thought he sounded very good. 

[D]

Ask any voice specialist or authority on opera. You'll get the answer that most singers reach the peak of their voice at around the age of 40. Or ask otolaryngologists. That's biologically proven.

Wow.? I can't believe that the majority of posters in this thread are saying they like Axl's current voice to the old one.? ?Axl is lucky to have such loyal fans.? I hope someday, your loyalty is rewarded.? I enjoy his older voice a lot better, even though I don't HATE the current voice.

Yep, I do. And I don't even consider myself as his loyal fan. even though I don't hate any of his voice, I size up IRS demo voice as the best despite the flaws in singing. It's obviously a rough take in the developing stage of the song but it reveals the quality of the voice. His current voices (he has a multiple singing voice) arouse further delicate and profound feelings than AFD voice. But to be honest, I don't think it was best for paradice city of '02.

By the way, I'm not basically particular about how good a vocal or any certain part is on a rock song as long as I like it as a whole. To me, how the parts relate to each other matters. But since you're arguing on this, I gotta tell what I know and feel.

yeah but thats probably for Operactic trained professionals, Axl didnt sing properly and totally destroyed his voice.

Jon Bon Jovi didnt sing properly and totally destroyed his voice which is nothing like it was in the late 80's, still sounds good but not close to how great he was.

Axl uses the powerful falsetto for his high notes which makes em sound thinner and not as powerful

I prefer the early 90's vocals, but I can live with the 2002 voice.