have the fans contributed to all the delays and no news?

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Is it really?  What about if it's 2007 and still nothing from Axl.  How, as a fan will you feel?  I am not saying you would hate the guy but wouldn't you as a fan feel somewhat "boycotted" from him.   Somewhat disappointed that the person you so admire, so enjoy his talent, so enjoy his being, that the silence to the fans is dissheartening?  If he never came back in 2002, this would be a mute point.  The fact he did comeback with all the promises and then to disappear without any real info as to what is happening as a fan, how can it not make you feel bad?  I know your faith in him, keeps you from feeling as frustrated as some of us feel.  I haven't lost all my faith but after so many years, I have lost some and I can't say I am not jaded somewhat.  James wants to act, not many people are going be that extreme.  But you can surely see where he is coming from.

[August 18th]

Is it really?? What about if it's 2007 and still nothing from Axl.? How, as a fan will you feel?? I am not saying you would hate the guy but wouldn't you as a fan feel somewhat "boycotted" from him.? ?Somewhat disappointed that the person you so admire, so enjoy his talent, so enjoy his being, that the silence to the fans is dissheartening?? If he never came back in 2002, this would be a mute point.? The fact he did comeback with all the promises and then to disappear without any real info as to what is happening as a fan, how can it not make you feel bad?? I know your faith in him, keeps you from feeling as frustrated as some of us feel.? I haven't lost all my faith but after so many years, I have lost some and I can't say I am not jaded somewhat.? James wants to act, not many people are going be that extreme.? But you can surely see where he is coming from.

to be honest with you i just feel that this is axl, he always did what he wanted to do and i respect him for that, i look forward to chinese democracy but until he feels like releasing it i'll just enjoy his old music. people seem to forget that it's axl rose we're talking about here, the same axl rose that caused riots fighting fans, wore kilts on stage and just took the world by storm by doing things his way. all of a sudden we expect that same person to answer to us and do things the way we want him to do it. be realistic, axl isn't gonna bow down to anybody. have you ever seen axl do that? even ten years later he's still a rebel, most artists are the whores of their record companies, axl just gives them the finger and does things his way, taking his sweet time doing it good. and that's part of the reason why i respect him so much.

[jameslofton29]

August, if 2007 comes and there's no CD, its over. End of story. As most people here would agree, you go through stages in this wait for CD. You 'move on' from time to time. It could be a lover, school, a job, etc. You move on. But you always get interested in CD again and come back to the forums to see whats happening. I really enjoy all the discussions I have with all of you guys, but if CD isnt hear by 2007, not only are most people gonna move on, they're gonna take a permanent vacation from CD.

[Pandora]

August, if 2007 comes and there's no CD, its over. End of story.

We've been hearing that for 5 years. Even if you're gone, somebody else will be there to replace you, I don't worry about it one second.

[jameslofton29]

Pandora, you're right, we've been hearing that for 5 years. But how many more 5 year intervals do you think the fanbase can stand? You think this forum will have as much activity in 2010 with no CD? And as far as your comments about me being replaced: Thats a laugh!! Once the hardcore give up, they cant be replaced. There's a big difference between those who have been fans since 87 and a 14 yr old kid new fan who hears Jungle for the first time.

[Mikkamakka]

It's strange that James keeps talking about the boycott. Some of you hasn't realized that Axl boycotted his fans.

BTW James is right that only the hardcore internet fans can do something since like it or not we are the opinion leaders in our micro societies when it's about Guns N' Roses. But it's insane to think that the record company or Axl would believe that we won't buy the album or won't buy another AFD cd if ours is broken. No. Some give up, but it's only for a period of time. If the album comes out (cause there is still a chance for that) they'll come back, listen CD and decide whether they like it or not.

[Pandora]

Pandora, you're right, we've been hearing that for 5 years. But how many more 5 year intervals do you think the fanbase can stand? You think this forum will have as much activity in 2010 with no CD? And as far as your comments about me being replaced: Thats a laugh!! Once the hardcore give up, they cant be replaced. There's a big difference between those who have been fans since 87 and a 14 yr old kid new fan who hears Jungle for the first time.

Man, you've been registered on this forum for less than a year. Before you, there were other people, some of whom left. And after you, there will be other people as well. And it won't mean that they're any less hardcore than you.
I personnally don't give a damn whether you're 14 and just discovering the band or a 40-year-old veteran. Some younger fans look pretty hardcore to me.

[jameslofton29]

Pandora, I may have been a member for only a year, but I visited the forum off and on since the 90's. I was one of those guests you see visiting the forum. And as far as people coming and going: Its pretty much the same people. Its guests deciding to finally become a member, or a member changing their name. No way in hell these new fans can replace us, you give the 'newbies' too much credit. This young generation is fickle. They'll like GNR one minute, Eminem the next. Lifelong fans cant be replaced by a generation seeking instant gratification.

[jarmo]

If you want to boycott the band, stop posting. It's really as simple as that.

I'm not planning on shutting down the site because some of you want to send a "message" to the band.




/jarmo

[jameslofton29]

Jarmo, if you read my posts discussing my boycott idea, you'll know that it doesn't work if one person boycotts. I was more into the idea of boycotting GNR products than a forum shutdown. You really dont think either option would have an impact? Good comment on telling me not to post. Ever since I brought up the boycott subject, I expected a mod to suggest that to me, I kind of opened myself up to it. I figured that Pandora would have suggested it, But you beat everyone to the punch. Congrats! LMAO!!

[jarmo]

What GN'R products?





/jarmo

[DoubleTalkingJive]

Is it really?? What about if it's 2007 and still nothing from Axl.? How, as a fan will you feel?? I am not saying you would hate the guy but wouldn't you as a fan feel somewhat "boycotted" from him.? ?Somewhat disappointed that the person you so admire, so enjoy his talent, so enjoy his being, that the silence to the fans is dissheartening?? If he never came back in 2002, this would be a mute point.? The fact he did comeback with all the promises and then to disappear without any real info as to what is happening as a fan, how can it not make you feel bad?? I know your faith in him, keeps you from feeling as frustrated as some of us feel.? I haven't lost all my faith but after so many years, I have lost some and I can't say I am not jaded somewhat.? James wants to act, not many people are going be that extreme.? But you can surely see where he is coming from.

to be honest with you i just feel that this is axl, he always did what he wanted to do and i respect him for that, i look forward to chinese democracy but until he feels like releasing it i'll just enjoy his old music. people seem to forget that it's axl rose we're talking about here, the same axl rose that caused riots fighting fans, wore kilts on stage and just took the world by storm by doing things his way. all of a sudden we expect that same person to answer to us and do things the way we want him to do it. be realistic, axl isn't gonna bow down to anybody. have you ever seen axl do that? even ten years later he's still a rebel, most artists are the whores of their record companies, axl just gives them the finger and does things his way, taking his sweet time doing it good. and that's part of the reason why i respect him so much.

I totally respect Axl for who he is and the rebel he is, that's part of what I love about him.? ?But I just still feel that he is away for far too long.? It's frustration plain and simple.? He doesn't give a damn about what WE want him to do you're right and to be honest with you, I wouldn't expect him too.? I would think he would want to comeback and show the world what he is made of again already, take the world by storm, the more he waits, the less "respected" he is going to get by his fans, the media and his peers, you have been seeing it already in especially in the last year now, more and more fans are showing frustration on the forums.? ? Taking his sweet time is an understatement, I can see 3 years maybe 4 but he has started this project since 1999....

[August 18th]

axl will be respected no matter what. he has one of the largest fan bases in the world, over ten years after he left the public eye voluenteerly. so all this will be forgotten once axl makes an appearance, you people will be all over him again praising what he has done when the new record comes or go nuts at one of his concerts. there's no question about it. just be patient and live your lives, do other stuff. and you know what? i've gotten so used to the wait, it'll seem un-real when this thing drops, everybody will be all over him again. and maybe axl feels the same way. maybe he's not entirely ready to be in the spotlight again, giving interviews and doing shows, basically being the spotlight of the world again. he probably knows how much power this new material's got, so he's "afraid" to release it, knowing where it'll take him. he wants the timing to be just right and the band to be ready 100%, seeing as they will be plastered all over the media once chinese democracy is released. and don't say the interest won't be big outside of his fanbase, this album is already mythic and legendary all over even though it's never been released. the world and all music critics are watching axl like hawks, just waiting to jump all over chinese democracy. the fans expect this thing to be the best thing they've ever heard. axl himself wants to make this the best damn record ever. imagine the pressure. no, i don't think you can.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

August, no doubt that when the album comes out I will be all over it, that's for sure but the difference here is that I feel he is taking too long, that is where we agree to disagree.  I know Axl will make a kick ass album, I know and you know it and so does everybody.  I only hope that it's this year.  I do live my life, always have but I am a regular to the forums and just because I come on here and I don't praise the fact the it's taking so long, doesn't mean I don't live my life.

[Saul]

I need to start boycotting these threads. 

[jameslofton29]

GREAT post, DTJ!! I am also sick of how certain posters tell us to "live our lives". The people who say that are usually either here or at mygnr 24 hours a day. We are all living our lives!! DTJ has her own shit going, and so do I. The times I post here is usually after writing a few pages in my novel, and I like to see whats going on here. I actually enjoy the discussions we all have. Just because we get frustrated doesn't mean we dont have lives. As far as I know, life and time itself didn't stop when Axl uttered the words 'Chinese Democracy'.

[Pandora]

No way in hell these new fans can replace us, you give the 'newbies' too much credit. This young generation is fickle. They'll like GNR one minute, Eminem the next.

Some people are fickle, some aren't. When I got into the band 14 years ago, I was 13 and a lot of people who had been fans since the very beginning were spitting in the face of the younger kids, calling them "fickle" like you are. And in a way, they were right. A lot of those so-called fans don't care anymore. But some have remained, and that includes me. That's why I'll never call the newer fans fickle. If they're serious about liking the band, and I do believe most of them are since GN'R are not as fashionable as they used to be, then I welcome them with open arms