why i respect axl's perfectionism so much

[jameslofton29]

Yeah, they played a reggae version of the song. It was really cool, a once in a lifetime experience. I've always wanted a bootleg of the show, but I guess no one recorded it. While doing the song, Axl made some reference to Bob Marley and grabbed a joint from the crowd and smoked it during the rest of the song. At this same show, Izzy sang Double Talkin Jive, which didnt happen very often.

[August 18th]

Yeah, they played a reggae version of the song. It was really cool, a once in a lifetime experience. I've always wanted a bootleg of the show, but I guess no one recorded it. While doing the song, Axl made some reference to Bob Marley and grabbed a joint from the crowd and smoked it during the rest of the song. At this same show, Izzy sang Double Talkin Jive, which didnt happen very often.

haha, that's great! axl's one cool mofocca. and izzy singing double talkin jive?! wow i've never even heard that, the bootlegs i've heard are axl singing it, from like 1992. never heard izzy do that song live and it's a shame since it's one of the coolest gn'r songs in my opinion. that great, bluesy solo, those riffs are brilliant, and izzy's cool voice/vibe makes the song complete. izzy rocks.

[jameslofton29]

Yeah, at Rio 91, Axl sang 'DTJ', he also did at some of the other shows while Izzy was still with the band. I always thought that was strange. I think the show I went to was one of the only times Izzy sang the song. He also did Dust N Bones, which sounds much better live than it does on the album.

[August 18th]

cool, dust n' bones is another one of my favorites. that song has amazing feel, and it brings back alot of memories every time i listen to it. it's great. i love how izzy is so bluesy and relaxed in his songs, i absolutely love his talent for making great rock and roll with alot of feel to it.

[kathryn2662]

kathryn, yeah i know what you mean, this is completely off topic but a few years back a friend of mine told me that i might be manic-depressive, and i even did some research about it, but i never got it diagnosed, and i think i manage fine, i just have alot of down periods. but absolutely, one of the reasons why i can relate so much to axl is because i often find myself in the same mental state that he expresses through his songs, especially his lyrics, in songs like estranged and coma, but also in songs like "it's so easy". it all depends on my mood, but i've always seen alot of myself in axl, even when i was 7 years old i could somehow relate to his anger, loneliness and "i don't give a fuck" attitude. it just developed, and i take alot of pride in having that mind-set.

It might be off-topic, but this probably my favorite topic haha, I could talk hours about this. ?I literally, said outloud, "wow", when I read the 3 songs you listed. ?Those 3, along with, My World, are 4 songs that transport me into a range of emotions, songs that really play with the different sides of my mind. ?It's funny, cause I see my self in Axl too. ?I read his interviews, an it trips me out, an I think "oh my gosh, it's like me, but not". ?Ive been trying to research the link between neurosis an psychosis, my disorder- left temporal lobe epilepsy (seizure disorder) is called the bridge between the gap of neurosis and psychosis. ?I read that the majority of people diagnosed manic-depressive are misdiagnosed and infact are left temporal lobe epileptics. ?There are so many personaly disorders, good and bad, that result in L-TLE, and it's weird, I dunno if it's because I have it, but I can sense who has it, or who has a disorder. ?There is something called the epileptic personality. ?I dunno, I always felt that Axl had that, that he was misdiagnosed, but there's no way of ever knowing unless you talk to him about his physical feelings. ?Me and my best friend, who moved away almost 10 years ago, we have this connection, a deep mind connection, where you just feel at home, well as kids we ?used to talk of this feeling we would get, intense deja-vu, dreamy states, that we later now found out were seizures. ?But it's amazing how we connected like that, an later found out we had the same exact disorder an never knew it. ?I didnt find out till I was 15, an she didnt find out until this year. ?My other best friend has it to, that's how we met, an I feel that connection with her too. ?Maybe that's why I feel connected to Axl, as do you. ?The mind gets taken out of the natural state, i think there is where we find connection with others in that outter state. ?That sounds weird, but it makes sense to me. ?I can remember the first time I saw Axl, as a kid, watching the Sweet Child O' Mine video, and I can honestly remember that moment, so clear, I remember thinking he was the most beautiful man I had ever seen, I felt something strange about him, some weird connection, and I have been intrigued by him ever since.
The kind of epilepsy I have, creates other mental disorders, the epileptic personality, such as altered sexual behaivor (agressive, over acitvity, non-activity or desire), emotionality, mania, depression, Guilt, Humorlessness, Aggression, Anger and hostility, Hypergraphia (excessive writing), Religiosity, Philosophical interest, Sense of personal destiny, Hypermoralism, Dependency, Paranoia, Obsessionalism, Circumstantiality, Viscosity, sociopathicform, schizoprheniaform. ?I see a lot of that in Axl.
It's not the kind of seizures where you are on the floor convulsing, that's another kind, the kind I have is where I see/hear hallucinations while have intense deja-vu along with an exploding feeling an nausia.

The part where you said you were 7 relating to his anger. ?I relate to that. ?It's weird looking back on my childhood and seeing that I felt emotions that normal kids didnt experience. ?There are certain things I felt as child, that I look back on now, an think "whoa, I was way too young to have been feeling that". ?Being a child, and relating to grown up feelings, that's powerful. ?The moods, and the feelings, they come and go, and certain things can trigger them. ?It's about finding the point of control.

Ive read that when manic-depressive people go into their attacks, they are in fact having seizures. ?So it's interesting to research the links. ?You dont need a doctor to tell you if you have it or not, you should research some more about it. ?It's important to know what's going on with you and your mind/body. ?I'd love to help you out, Id hate to know a lot about it an not help.

[August 18th]

thanx for saying that, this is too off-topic to continue here but yeah i can absolutely relate to looking back on my childhood and relating to feelings i both now and then wondered if other kids had. it's really cool that we can both relate in the same way. hopefully we can talk more about this at another time, i have to go now but it was nice talking to you, nice to know someone had those same feelings and even relate to the same songs.

[Jessica]

kathryn, yeah i know what you mean, this is completely off topic but a few years back a friend of mine told me that i might be manic-depressive, and i even did some research about it, but i never got it diagnosed, and i think i manage fine, i just have alot of down periods. but absolutely, one of the reasons why i can relate so much to axl is because i often find myself in the same mental state that he expresses through his songs, especially his lyrics, in songs like estranged and coma, but also in songs like "it's so easy". it all depends on my mood, but i've always seen alot of myself in axl, even when i was 7 years old i could somehow relate to his anger, loneliness and "i don't give a fuck" attitude. it just developed, and i take alot of pride in having that mind-set.

It might be off-topic, but this probably my favorite topic haha, I could talk hours about this.  I literally, said outloud, "wow", when I read the 3 songs you listed.  Those 3, along with, My World, are 4 songs that transport me into a range of emotions, songs that really play with the different sides of my mind.  It's funny, cause I see my self in Axl too.  I read his interviews, an it trips me out, an I think "oh my gosh, it's like me, but not".  Ive been trying to research the link between neurosis an psychosis, my disorder- left temporal lobe epilepsy (seizure disorder) is called the bridge between the gap of neurosis and psychosis.  I read that the majority of people diagnosed manic-depressive are misdiagnosed and infact are left temporal lobe epileptics.  There are so many personaly disorders, good and bad, that result in L-TLE, and it's weird, I dunno if it's because I have it, but I can sense who has it, or who has a disorder.  There is something called the epileptic personality.  I dunno, I always felt that Axl had that, that he was misdiagnosed, but there's no way of ever knowing unless you talk to him about his physical feelings.  Me and my best friend, who moved away almost 10 years ago, we have this connection, a deep mind connection, where you just feel at home, well as kids we  used to talk of this feeling we would get, intense deja-vu, dreamy states, that we later now found out were seizures.  But it's amazing how we connected like that, an later found out we had the same exact disorder an never knew it.  I didnt find out till I was 15, an she didnt find out until this year.  My other best friend has it to, that's how we met, an I feel that connection with her too.  Maybe that's why I feel connected to Axl, as do you.  The mind gets taken out of the natural state, i think there is where we find connection with others in that outter state.  That sounds weird, but it makes sense to me.  I can remember the first time I saw Axl, as a kid, watching the Sweet Child O' Mine video, and I can honestly remember that moment, so clear, I remember thinking he was the most beautiful man I had ever seen, I felt something strange about him, some weird connection, and I have been intrigued by him ever since.
The kind of epilepsy I have, creates other mental disorders, the epileptic personality, such as altered sexual behaivor (agressive, over acitvity, non-activity or desire), emotionality, mania, depression, Guilt, Humorlessness, Aggression, Anger and hostility, Hypergraphia (excessive writing), Religiosity, Philosophical interest, Sense of personal destiny, Hypermoralism, Dependency, Paranoia, Obsessionalism, Circumstantiality, Viscosity, sociopathicform, schizoprheniaform.  I see a lot of that in Axl.
It's not the kind of seizures where you are on the floor convulsing, that's another kind, the kind I have is where I see/hear hallucinations while have intense deja-vu along with an exploding feeling an nausia.

The part where you said you were 7 relating to his anger.  I relate to that.  It's weird looking back on my childhood and seeing that I felt emotions that normal kids didnt experience.  There are certain things I felt as child, that I look back on now, an think "whoa, I was way too young to have been feeling that".  Being a child, and relating to grown up feelings, that's powerful.  The moods, and the feelings, they come and go, and certain things can trigger them.  It's about finding the point of control.

Ive read that when manic-depressive people go into their attacks, they are in fact having seizures.  So it's interesting to research the links.  You dont need a doctor to tell you if you have it or not, you should research some more about it.  It's important to know what's going on with you and your mind/body.  I'd love to help you out, Id hate to know a lot about it an not help.

I'd been manic depressive, and had epilepsy from 10 years old to 16 years old and last year, i had some symptoms and thought i had a brain problem, so i went to xrays and more, they found a vein that was abnormal and i escaped, it seems, an aneurism.

My dad was manic depressive, and a little over two years ago, he died of a double brai ntumor, primary and secondary tumors, side by side. He'd always had seizures, not like epilepsy, but like havin to stop on motorways and stuff because of overlight.

You say things are linked ? i have been saying this to my mum for over 15 years now.

Most people i know who are manic or depressive or manic depressive have had a form of epilepsy, have had either hallucinations or real " visions" ( psychic like) and sadly, have had the problem grow and usually had a much more serious brain problem later on.

Check your healths.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

RocketQueen:  An I know it's from the mind being taken out of the natural state, an given ability to experience and see things a normal brain cant.

its so f*cked up that some people (a lot of people) will never get this concept... and dismiss it as pyscobabble
the mind being in an this other state can occur under various circumstances.  for some it is beyond their control, yes... 
and for others they have to strive to get there... they have to conscientiously seal out external distractions
for some this state results in productive creativity...  and yes, for some it is somewhere they are not able to bring anything out of...
not always able to share thier enlightenment...  but still, find satisfaction and comfort in thier own unique experience and understanding of things

kathryn, yeah i know what you mean, this is completely off topic but a few years back a friend of mine told me that i might be manic-depressive, and i even did some research about it, but i never got it diagnosed, and i think i manage fine, i just have alot of down periods. but absolutely, one of the reasons why i can relate so much to axl is because i often find myself in the same mental state that he expresses through his songs, especially his lyrics, in songs like estranged and coma, but also in songs like "it's so easy". it all depends on my mood, but i've always seen alot of myself in axl, even when i was 7 years old i could somehow relate to his anger, loneliness and "i don't give a fuck" attitude. it just developed, and i take alot of pride in having that mind-set.

i can't even count how many times i have heard similar sentiments expressed by fellow gunners.. and particularly fans of Axl
the ability... the gift he has... to have touched and so many and to create that which means so much to so many people though sharing of his own personal self... and that it be sustained over such an extended period of time.. its energy surviving on little more than our passing it between us, to me is amazing.

[August 18th]

RocketQueen:? An I know it's from the mind being taken out of the natural state, an given ability to experience and see things a normal brain cant.

its so f*cked up that some people (a lot of people) will never get this concept... and dismiss it as pyscobabble
the mind being in an this other state can occur under various circumstances.? for some it is beyond their control, yes...?
and for others they have to strive to get there... they have to conscientiously seal out external distractions
for some this state results in productive creativity...? and yes, for some it is somewhere they are not able to bring anything out of...
not always able to share thier enlightenment...? but still, find satisfaction and comfort in thier own unique experience and understanding of things

kathryn, yeah i know what you mean, this is completely off topic but a few years back a friend of mine told me that i might be manic-depressive, and i even did some research about it, but i never got it diagnosed, and i think i manage fine, i just have alot of down periods. but absolutely, one of the reasons why i can relate so much to axl is because i often find myself in the same mental state that he expresses through his songs, especially his lyrics, in songs like estranged and coma, but also in songs like "it's so easy". it all depends on my mood, but i've always seen alot of myself in axl, even when i was 7 years old i could somehow relate to his anger, loneliness and "i don't give a fuck" attitude. it just developed, and i take alot of pride in having that mind-set.

i can't even count how many times i have heard similar sentiments expressed by fellow gunners.. and particularly fans of Axl
the ability... the gift he has... to have touched and so many and to create that which means so much to so many people though sharing of his own personal self... and that it be sustained over such an extended period of time.. its energy surviving on little more than our passing it between us, to me is amazing.

yeah, most artist don't have that ability at all. axl's impact on people has lasted for so long, despite his long absense.

[kathryn2662]

I'd been manic depressive, and had epilepsy from 10 years old to 16 years old and last year, i had some symptoms and thought i had a brain problem, so i went to xrays and more, they found a vein that was abnormal and i escaped, it seems, an aneurism.

My dad was manic depressive, and a little over two years ago, he died of a double brai ntumor, primary and secondary tumors, side by side. He'd always had seizures, not like epilepsy, but like havin to stop on motorways and stuff because of overlight.

You say things are linked ? i have been saying this to my mum for over 15 years now.

Most people i know who are manic or depressive or manic depressive have had a form of epilepsy, have had either hallucinations or real " visions" ( psychic like) and sadly, have had the problem grow and usually had a much more serious brain problem later on.

Check your healths.

When a section of your brain, "trips over itself", it produces electric discharge, which are seizures.  Depending on the section of the brain, depends on how it will react with the person.  There are so many different kinds of seizures, that are catagorized with different kind of epilepsies.  When a manic depressive, or schizoprhenic, go into an attatck, they have the same exact electric discharge, which are in fact seizures.  And it origionates in the temporal lobes,  most likely the left.  So where to draw the line if it is left-temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia and what not, is what have doctors in question and debate.  So many different things can cause seizures, feeling certain emotions and going to certain places trigger my seizures.  My grandmother is a schizophrenic.  It's no doubt that there is a link.  The brain's septability to getting the diseases are genetic.  The reason why they have been studied to be linked, is that epilepsy isnt just a neurological disorder if it is effecting personalities/behaivor/thinking/everyday activity, it then is crossing into psychological territory, and manic depression and schizophrenia have physical neurological abnormal activity as epilepsy- so those are crossing into the neurological territory.  The same reactions that a temporal lobe epileptic has during a seizure, is the same with a psychosis disoder.   Everytime I have a seizure, I have hallucinations, and my behavior and personality changes momentarily.  The book Seized, by Eve La Plante talks all about it.  It's really interesting, I love studying it.

Heres a website that is in relation to the whole genius thing, http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/famous.html

I gaurentee you, that any left temporal lobe epileptic and manic-depressive, are artsy.  They exell more in art, and take high interest in it.  In art, of any form.  Music to philosphy, anything that is considered art to the particular person.

[Jessica]

I'd been manic depressive, and had epilepsy from 10 years old to 16 years old and last year, i had some symptoms and thought i had a brain problem, so i went to xrays and more, they found a vein that was abnormal and i escaped, it seems, an aneurism.

My dad was manic depressive, and a little over two years ago, he died of a double brai ntumor, primary and secondary tumors, side by side. He'd always had seizures, not like epilepsy, but like havin to stop on motorways and stuff because of overlight.

You say things are linked ? i have been saying this to my mum for over 15 years now.

Most people i know who are manic or depressive or manic depressive have had a form of epilepsy, have had either hallucinations or real " visions" ( psychic like) and sadly, have had the problem grow and usually had a much more serious brain problem later on.

Check your healths.

When a section of your brain, "trips over itself", it produces electric discharge, which are seizures.  Depending on the section of the brain, depends on how it will react with the person.  There are so many different kinds of seizures, that are catagorized with different kind of epilepsies.  When a manic depressive, or schizoprhenic, go into an attatck, they have the same exact electric discharge, which are in fact seizures.  And it origionates in the temporal lobes,  most likely the left.  So where to draw the line if it is left-temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia and what not, is what have doctors in question and debate.  So many different things can cause seizures, feeling certain emotions and going to certain places trigger my seizures.  My grandmother is a schizophrenic.  It's no doubt that there is a link.  The brain's septability to getting the diseases are genetic.  The reason why they have been studied to be linked, is that epilepsy isnt just a neurological disorder if it is effecting personalities/behaivor/thinking/everyday activity, it then is crossing into psychological territory, and manic depression and schizophrenia have physical neurological abnormal activity as epilepsy- so those are crossing into the neurological territory.  The same reactions that a temporal lobe epileptic has during a seizure, is the same with a psychosis disoder.   Everytime I have a seizure, I have hallucinations, and my behavior and personality changes momentarily.  The book Seized, by Eve La Plante talks all about it.  It's really interesting, I love studying it.

Heres a website that is in relation to the whole genius thing, http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/famous.html

I gaurentee you, that any left temporal lobe epileptic and manic-depressive, are artsy.  They exell more in art, and take high interest in it.  In art, of any form.  Music to philosphy, anything that is considered art to the particular person.

That's really interesting !!!

How come neurologists aren't talking about it more ? i mean, when dad died, in geneva ( switzerland), they had no explanation and we did mention all this but they said there was no link.

Oh how i could talk about all this forhours ( better not, you will still be there in a week's time lol )...

i will read what's on the link you gave.

Merci.

[kathryn2662]

thanx for saying that, this is too off-topic to continue here but yeah i can absolutely relate to looking back on my childhood and relating to feelings i both now and then wondered if other kids had. it's really cool that we can both relate in the same way. hopefully we can talk more about this at another time, i have to go now but it was nice talking to you, nice to know someone had those same feelings and even relate to the same songs.

Yeah it is cool that we can relate.  I really wanna talk more about this too.  It'd be really interesting, and good to know im in company, of someone else who has felt feelings I have felt- cause sometimes I get so weird to myself that I feel Im alone.  Looking back on my childhood, even though it was the most peaceful, and so perfect to me- it's like it was a dream, it disturbs me and makes my stomach turn to think of some of the feelings and experiences I went through, feelings that a kid shouldnt feel until they are older.  It's like, Im sick to my stomach in protection of this little kid, who in actuality is me.  I guess she's still living in there, I guess that's why she still seems real.

Anyway, I'd love to talk about this more, maybe we can start a thread under 'the Jungle' section, an I can talk more about the manic-depression and stuff like that, but I wont be online to talk after tonight, Im going to Los Angeles until the 20th.  Maybe I'll see Axl hahah

[kathryn2662]

That's really interesting !!!

How come neurologists aren't talking about it more ? i mean, when dad died, in geneva ( switzerland), they had no explanation and we did mention all this but they said there was no link.

Oh how i could talk about all this forhours ( better not, you will still be there in a week's time lol )...

i will read what's on the link you gave.

Merci.

I dont know why it isnt more talked about.  I think it's territory that I lot of people dont want to go into.  It puts lots of doctors into debates, and since most mental disorders are 50% fact and 50% mystery, it's hard to say who is wrong and who is right.  It sounds to me like your father had epilepsy due to head trama he had, which is one of the biggest leading factors to cause of seizures.  To me, one of the biggest clues to this link is, epileptics- manic-depressive- and schizophrenics, take the same medication.  They all are anti-convulsant drugs, they all are neurologically effected diseases, all with electric discharge (seizures) and doctors have found that epileptic medicine works best on manic-depressive patients.  I used to take trileptal, which is used also for manic depression and schizophrenia.  It's under study for being an anti-manic agent and a mood stabilizer.  It has antimanic effects comparable to those of lithium and haloperidol.  Others are tegretol (carbamazepine ), depakote (valproate), lamictal (lamotrigine ), keppra (levetiracetam), zonegran (zonisamide ).

Heres one website about the connection.

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p950927.html

[Jessica]

I know depakote, i used to be on a treatment between 10 years old and 12 years old called Dekapine ( 500mg).

[Sakib]

"You can't rush art"

thats all i can say

[Falcon]

"You can't rush art"

thats all i can say

You can't perfect it either..

[killingvector]

"You can't rush art"

thats all i can say

You can't perfect it either..

Why? Stanley Kubrick did.

[Falcon]

"You can't rush art"

thats all i can say

You can't perfect it either..

Why? Stanley Kubrick did.

I guess you never saw "Eyes Wide Shut"..

[dave-gnfnr2k]

"You can't rush art"

thats all i can say

You can't perfect it either..

Why? Stanley Kubrick did.

I guess you never saw "Eyes Wide Shut"..

Did you hear Smile by Brian Wilson?

[F*ck Fear]

If Axl puts out his "Perfect" album,I haev a feeling it will be great to me...Cause anything he has put out(other than My World) has been good...I have faith.