why i respect axl's perfectionism so much

[Pinball Wizard]

Axl Rose is not a genius...he just was on the right place at the right time...that's the way he got everything that he has today!

[fesxine]

i dont mind people being perfectionists, but their should be time limits otherwise things can be tweaked forever - and that can be very frustrating for fans.

[W. Botaxl Rose]

when you sell 85 million records worldwide and was/is part of one of the greatest band in History, you have something genius. When you are able to write songs like November rain and estranged, you have something genius.
Even those who absolutely hate Axl, recognize his part of genius and his talent.

So according to your logic, Nikki Sixx, Brett Michaels & Jon Bon Jovi would be geniuses as well? That's a funny thought.  Again, some of u people have no idea what the term genius means. Look it up & stop making yourselves look idiotic.

[August 18th]

Axl Rose is not a genius...he just was on the right place at the right time...that's the way he got everything that he has today!

he was lucky with the timing, yes, but writing songs such as estranged, november rain, sweet child of mine, civil war etc., to do that you need some kind of a talent that is out of the ordinary musical talent. i would call him a modern day musical genius.

[W. Botaxl Rose]

he was lucky with the timing, yes, but writing songs such as estranged, november rain, sweet child of mine, civil war etc., to do that you need some kind of a talent that is out of the ordinary musical talent. i would call him a modern day musical genius.

Do u think he actually wrote all those songs by himself, then just told the band how to play them? I guess i'm curious as to why u call him a genius & seem to give him sole credit for something that was a complete team effort between him & the band. Do u really think he wrote down Slash' guitar work on Estranged & showed him how to play it, same goes with SCOM & NR?

[Pinball Wizard]

Axl Rose is not a genius...he just was on the right place at the right time...that's the way he got everything that he has today!

he was lucky with the timing, yes, but writing songs such as estranged, november rain, sweet child of mine, civil war etc., to do that you need some kind of a talent that is out of the ordinary musical talent. i would call him a modern day musical genius.

he's just a good writer with good helpers to do that...is not that he make the whole song by himself...

Axl can be better then other musicians that we have today, but that doesn't make him a genius...

[August 18th]

he was lucky with the timing, yes, but writing songs such as estranged, november rain, sweet child of mine, civil war etc., to do that you need some kind of a talent that is out of the ordinary musical talent. i would call him a modern day musical genius.

Do u think he actually wrote all those songs by himself, then just told the band how to play them? I guess i'm curious as to why u call him a genius & seem to give him sole credit for something that was a complete team effort between him & the band. Do u really think he wrote down Slash' guitar work on Estranged & showed him how to play it, same goes with SCOM & NR?

no, what i'm saying is axl had a big part in writing those songs, especially november rain. i'm not taking anything away from slash, so just chill out. all i'm saying is axl has a talent unlike most others to write timeless and truly great ballads and rock songs.

[Pinball Wizard]

no, what i'm saying is axl had a big part in writing those songs, especially november rain. i'm not taking anything away from slash, so just chill out. all i'm saying is axl has a talent unlike most others to write timeless and truly great ballads and rock songs.

Yeah, you're right!!

Axl do have this talent that most of others writers don't have, you're totally right about that, Axl has that talent just as eddie veder, neil young, pete Townshend, john lennon, freddie mercury...

Axl has that kind of talent, but he's not the only one... and what he do/did isn't nothing that any of those guys I just said can't do, and that's a two-way path, what those people can do isn't nothing that Axl can't do too...

What I'm saying is that we don't have a genius, just because no one can please averybody! If even god can't please everyone(he can't please me) why in earth AXL ROSE could do that?

There's no genius, there's just good writers...

[August 18th]

i agree that the term "genius" shouldn't be watered out and thrown around too much, but there are degrees of it. mozart was a musical genius, there's no questioning that, but did he please EVERYBODY? i find that hard to believe.

[W. Botaxl Rose]

no, what i'm saying is axl had a big part in writing those songs, especially november rain. i'm not taking anything away from slash, so just chill out. all i'm saying is axl has a talent unlike most others to write timeless and truly great ballads and rock songs.

Again, u say botaxl wrote timeless & truly great songs. He didn't write the songs. He didn't even write all the lyrics. GNR was a complete & total collaborative effort between several guys.

BTW, show me a timeless rock song that axl rose wrote on his own, which is what made GNR huge in the first place. This should be ineresting.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

i agree that the term "genius" shouldn't be watered out and thrown around too much, but there are degrees of it. mozart was a musical genius, there's no questioning that, but did he please EVERYBODY? i find that hard to believe.

I would say also genius is a term that shouldn't be used, just as the term masterpiece. I have used the term "genius" when referring to Axl before myself.  Songs like Estranged and NR, most people give Axl all the credit for those for because of the musical direction he wanted them to go in not that Slash or Duff their write their own parts to the song.  There is no doubt that Axl's visions of music are grandious and that he does have an exceptional talent that can't be argued.   However, old GNR as whole, is what made all of them shine as a band not just Axl.   I look forward to CD, to see what this band and Axl can create.  I like what I have heard but I will reserve my judgement until I hear the studio tracks and new material on the album.

[Pinball Wizard]

i agree that the term "genius" shouldn't be watered out and thrown around too much, but there are degrees of it. mozart was a musical genius, there's no questioning that, but did he please EVERYBODY? i find that hard to believe.

No, he didn't pleased everybody, but what I tried to say with that word("please") is - I'll use your mozart exemple here-:

Everybody knows that mozart was a great musician...even if someone don't like classic music, that person know how much mozart was important to the music we listen today...I mean, even if you don't like the music of mozart, you HAVE to understand that he is important for music, not just classic but to others styles, like heavy metal - for exemple...but Axl Rose is not!! He only have importance for hard rock and, even so, isn't the same as Steven Tyler or Robert Plant.

We could say that the only place where Axl Rose is a genius is in Guns N' Roses and because if someday a really genius come to GN'R, Axl can fire him  ...THAT makes axl a genius INSIDE the GN'R...

[patience26]

Who are you? Some kind of a specialist critic of music or what?
You say nothing but crap! Most of the critics and several music stars says that Axl is a musical genius, not only tha hard rock fans! Even now some thousands people still speak about him, if he was just a average musician, i think that people by this time would forgotten him, don`t you think? Please read what others singers said about Axl himself and his talent , maybe that would change your mind.

Rock on 

AXL still`s The BEST!!!

[August 18th]

Who are you? Some kind of a specialist critic of music or what?
You say nothing but crap! Most of the critics and several music stars says that Axl is a musical genius, not only tha hard rock fans! Even now some thousands people still speak about him, if he was just a average musician, i think that people by this time would forgotten him, don`t you think? Please read what others singers said about Axl himself and his talent , maybe that would change your mind.

Rock on?

AXL still`s The BEST!!!

amen to that. pinball, you're wrong. axl has had a big influence on the music industry as a whole in such a short period of time, he (along with the rest of gn'r) has inspired other bands, written epic ballads that are still getting air play all around the world ten years later, and the way he performs and puts his soul into the music he makes and manages to come out with something so both intriguing and beautiful makes him a musical genius in alot of people's eyes. and rightfully so.

[madagas]

I regards to Axl's perfectionism...directly from Spinal Tap...."there is a fine line between clever and stupid!"

[ppbebe]

I think a genius is something on an absolute scale and not relative.

Well Is there a music genius among pop /rock music singers? I don't know any.
A Genius would create works of art or whatever of quality like cutting a fart without effort.
It would amaze people but wouldn't really move people, or me at least.

Has Axl ever referred to himself as a perfectionist?

(no... I'm not being sarcastic... I'm really asking. )

Yes he has.  jokingly, when asked about the lingering production of CD. Otherwise, I don't know.

[Pinball Wizard]

I'm not saying that Axl is a crap musician or just a regular one...Axl is a great musician? YES. He can do things that others can't? Oh yeah! He is one of the greatest musicians of rock?  YES.

But he isn't a genius, almost a god...

I love Axl's work, I have all the GN'R albuns, gn'r is my favorite band of all times, but what I fell about him and his work can't blind my eyes to the reallity. Even if he is our idol, there's a lot of others vocalists out there that are so much better then Axl, singin' or writing...but that is gonna make me feel diferent about him? NO WAY!! THAT'S what I'm trying to say, even if he is everything you think he is you can't say that there isn't any chance of someone be better then him...I can list a lot os vocalists who is better then Axl, but that's not the point here...

I know that is a non-end subject, I'll never gonna change your mind about it(and I don't even want to) and you'll never gonna change mine...and I would NEVER, but NEVER change my mind reading what other musicians say about Axl, I don't need this...I know Axl's work very well, I've been listen to GN'R since I was 6 years old, I don't need anyone's opinion about how great he is, I know how great he is ans he isn't that great as you think he is...but THAT is not goin' to make me like gn'r less then you or more, that's not the point, the point is why you can't see that there's no genius inside gn'r or Axl, there's just a great guy, with a lot of cool and new ideas...but not a genius...

I won't post in this topic again, I've said everything I had to say about it...so that's your opinion and mine, I don't care what you think of it...I'm just sad that Guns N' Roses have a lot of fans with mentality of a britney spears' fan - I'm not saying that is every fan, but there's a lot...

So, if you didn't like what I said here, "FUNK" YOU 

[August 18th]

I'm not saying that Axl is a crap musician or just a regular one...Axl is a great musician? YES. He can do things that others can't? Oh yeah! He is one of the greatest musicians of rock?? YES.

But he isn't a genius, almost a god...

I love Axl's work, I have all the GN'R albuns, gn'r is my favorite band of all times, but what I fell about him and his work can't blind my eyes to the reallity. Even if he is our idol, there's a lot of others vocalists out there that are so much better then Axl, singin' or writing...but that is gonna make me feel diferent about him? NO WAY!! THAT'S what I'm trying to say, even if he is everything you think he is you can't say that there isn't any chance of someone be better then him...I can list a lot os vocalists who is better then Axl, but that's not the point here...

I know that is a non-end subject, I'll never gonna change your mind about it(and I don't even want to) and you'll never gonna change mine...and I would NEVER, but NEVER change my mind reading what other musicians say about Axl, I don't need this...I know Axl's work very well, I've been listen to GN'R since I was 6 years old, I don't need anyone's opinion about how great he is, I know how great he is ans he isn't that great as you think he is...but THAT is not goin' to make me like gn'r less then you or more, that's not the point, the point is why you can't see that there's no genius inside gn'r or Axl, there's just a great guy, with a lot of cool and new ideas...but not a genius...

I won't post in this topic again, I've said everything I had to say about it...so that's your opinion and mine, I don't care what you think of it...I'm just sad that Guns N' Roses have a lot of fans with mentality of a britney spears' fan - I'm not saying that is every fan, but there's a lot...

So, if you didn't like what I said here, "FUNK" YOU?

lol, have you been listening to "ain't it fun" again.
anyway, i suggest you refrain from comparing me to some britney spears fan. i've been a axl/gnr fan since 1990/91, when i was about seven. but enough about that, i don't see many vocalists out there that are better than axl, not before him and not after. and he does have an extraordinary talent for music and performing, there's no questioning that. so call it what you want, that's up to you. but i see where you're coming from, though i can't say i agree 100%.

[patience26]

Amen to that august!
I don`t like someone comparing me? to a britey`s fan too! You now, i`m not 16 years old, i`m 26, so i`m not a teenager you know! You`ve made your point, I`ve made mine.I`m not bilnded by the star that Axl is, i love other bands too like Queen, Metallica, AC/DC, Pink floyd, but GNR sure is my favourite band!In your concern, Axl is not a genius, in my concern he is, thats all!Even if i like Pink Floys lirics a lot, i must say that no other band in the last 20 years and now could touch me so deep inside like the GNR lirics!I guess i said it all now! If you want people to respect you, you must respect them!

Rock on?

[jameslofton29]

As I've stated before, Axl is not a true genius, but he has certain aspects of genius. If anyone in the band can be classified as a true genius, I would say it was Izzy. In 86/87, he was writing songs that should not have went mainstream under usual circumstances. But going against the grain, this risk of writing controversial lyrics really paid off. I'm not denying Axl's contributions. He wrote some of the songs on AFD, and sung each song on the record. These same circumstances just mentioned also hapened on Lies. Izzy was basically the main songwriter. Does anyone remember the old Axl interview about One in a Million? Axl said that he did the song basically as a joke, Izzy came in, and basically changed the whole dynamics of the song. This Izzy/Axl mindmeld of 'Million' is the finished product we hear on Lies. And concerning Illusions, if you take away the songs Izzy wrote or co-wrote, you basically have a VERY average album with a couple epics on the record. And although I've always been kind of pissed at Izzy since he ditched the band, it was actually another 'genius' move. Because after he left, the band became a shell of its former self and became a cover band at a time when the world needed GNR to try an counteract the grunge movement. Izzy must have sensed what was going to happen, and left the band at its height of popularity. Things went way downhill after he left. I'm not insulting Axl. I think if you put Axl and Izzy in the same studio, Axl ready to sing all night, and Izzy on his guitar, that my friends, is pure fucking genius.