Difference of perception in time ...

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

alright.
the thing is that we're waiting for CD and we don't understand how it can take so long. and we don't see why axl isnot talking to us or the media.

but see, lets say you're getting ready to go out. and your friends are waiting for you at a caf? or something.
and you show up , um, 1h late (not so bad)

for them, it was like " where the fuck is he ? did he get lost ? did he took the right metro ?"
and they try to call you, but the call don't go through ... and they way, and it's hell.

back to you.
you're online talking to your girlfriend on msn, then you tell her you don't have time, you gotta go out, and she says "you're a douchebag .."
then you start getting dress, but you dont like that shirt, so you change it. and then you do your hair, then you look for your sunglasses. and then the phone rings, mom. you brush your teeth, you run to the metro, you wait, metro stops, you wait. and you get to your friends.
* the same hour is like 10 minutes for you.

same thing in life. a year ago, when i was reading news about my favorite video games being postponned or something, i was like " what the hell ?? what are they doing ? it's not that hard !!!"
and now that i'm inside ubi soft, i see how it goes, and i see people complaining about ghost recon 3 getting pushed up, or stuff like that.

so it's the same with GNR.
there is a difference between how we felt these 5 or 6 years, not only the length but also the reasons and explanation.
a difference with how people IN gnr feel it.

i dont know if my point is clear.
just that if CD is late, if Axl is silent: there are reasons. good reasons. and it muste be hell for axl too.
we already complain about the wait, while we have lives (well, some of us) and things to do and worry about.
Chinese Democracy is Axl's life. his whole time. (i guess ...)

" time is different sometimes" - jessica simpson, 2003

[gilld1]

There may be some truth to this.  Insane people do not percieve time as the rest of us do.  Axl probably has little concern for what year we may happen to be living in at the moment.

[nesquick]

I don't really know what you are talking about but what I know is that all that silence starts to get on my nerves.
the lack of news is...

[vietnow138]

Well Axl's story is a little different than yours about friends waiting for him at a cafe. Everybody knows when it comes to a release date Axl, Tommy,... all seem to be full of shit. So for us to complain about CD not being released every day is like waitng for water to boil.
Its like wer'e staring at the pot and waiting for the water to boil. Anyone who waits that long will eventually become unpatient and pissed off. Thats why some of us do things to occupy ourselfs until the water begins to boil, that way it wont seem as long.

[MikeB]

Axl seems to have missed  out alot in his life. He's in his mid 40's already, no girlfriend or wife and kids. If I choose to get married and have kids real later in my life , the oldest is going to be in my late 30's.

[Axl_owns_dexter]

Axl seems to have missed  out alot in his life. He's in his mid 40's already, no girlfriend or wife and kids.

Who knows man.  He seems to have found some happiness with Beta and her family.  And how do you know he has no girlfriend right now?

[Mr. Nik™]

bessamk, I guess to understand your point... and I agree with you

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

bessamk, I guess to understand your point... and I agree with you

good !

but also, i'm not trying to defend axl and all. it's just that, " as we're on the other side of the fence, we don"t understand ...." kevin bacon, 2001

[TWOIFBYSEA]

What? !@#%   Kevin Bacon is doing guest vocals on CD Holy shite this is awesome !!!!

*scurries off to Sp1at.com*

[DoubleTalkingJive]

I can see what you are saying but Axl is a professional musician.  And yes, while I do feel for him and the problems he has, he also has an obligation to his fans.  I know alot of you dissagree with that but I feel he does.  We support him through and through and I think if anything he should let us know what's going on.   He doesn't have to give us the album but at least if he gave us a statement or a message we wouldn't have these discussions on whether he really doesn't give a fuck or if he really has had tremendous problems getting this cd out.  The silence is deafening and while I don't believe he doesn't give a fuck at all, I do believe the more silence that goes on every year, the more and more fans will get frustrated and not be sympathetic towards him at all, it's happening now.

[jameslofton29]

You guys, perception of time is not the issue. What has been accomplished DURING that time is the main issue.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

You guys, perception of time is not the issue. What has been accomplished DURING that time is the main issue.

I hope you're right.  I hope when I get CD in my hands I will say, yes this was totally worth the wait.  I know I will love the album, I just hope we get it soon.  We all have been waiting so long.

[jameslofton29]

DTJ, I think the universal reaction to CD is gonns be," You mean we waited 12 years for this!?". It doesnt matter how good or bad the material is, thats what people are gonna say. It would take a true masterpiece to make the 12 year wait null and void.

[Tied-Up]

Axl doesn't have an obligation to anyone except himself.  Ultimately, it's his life.  If Chinese Democracy never surfaces, you (the fans) will have lost nothing, but, Axl will have lost a lot of time and energy dedicated to something that never comes to pass. 

[Rob]

Yeah, Axl was gonna release the album in 2003, but then he got a phone call, then he decided he wanted to wear the blue bandana, then Seinfeld came on and he was like, "Oh shit I'll just watch this one episode", but it was a marathon, then it was dinner time, then his car broke down, then Jerry Rice left the Raiders so he had to get a Randy Moss jersey to wear, then all of a sudden it was 2005 and the album still wasn't out yet. 

[journey]

alright.
the thing is that we're waiting for CD and we don't understand how it can take so long. and we don't see why axl isnot talking to us or the media.

but see, lets say you're getting ready to go out. and your friends are waiting for you at a caf? or something.
and you show up , um, 1h late (not so bad)

for them, it was like " where the fuck is he ? did he get lost ? did he took the right metro ?"
and they try to call you, but the call don't go through ... and they way, and it's hell.

back to you.
you're online talking to your girlfriend on msn, then you tell her you don't have time, you gotta go out, and she says "you're a douchebag .."
then you start getting dress, but you dont like that shirt, so you change it. and then you do your hair, then you look for your sunglasses. and then the phone rings, mom. you brush your teeth, you run to the metro, you wait, metro stops, you wait. and you get to your friends.
* the same hour is like 10 minutes for you.

same thing in life. a year ago, when i was reading news about my favorite video games being postponned or something, i was like " what the hell ?? what are they doing ? it's not that hard !!!"
and now that i'm inside ubi soft, i see how it goes, and i see people complaining about ghost recon 3 getting pushed up, or stuff like that.

so it's the same with GNR.
there is a difference between how we felt these 5 or 6 years, not only the length but also the reasons and explanation.
a difference with how people IN gnr feel it.

i dont know if my point is clear.
just that if CD is late, if Axl is silent: there are reasons. good reasons. and it muste be hell for axl too.
we already complain about the wait, while we have lives (well, some of us) and things to do and worry about.
Chinese Democracy is Axl's life. his whole time. (i guess ...)

" time is different sometimes" - jessica simpson, 2003

That was very eloquent, buggin. 

"I think it was deep in the way that it was very light. I think lightness has to come from a very deep place if it's true lightness." -? Alicia Silverstone

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

"I think it was deep in the way that it was very light. I think lightness has to come from a very deep place if it's true lightness." -? Alicia Silverstone

is dat a real quote ?

jameslofton29 : i see what you mean, but it's the way insiders (management, band) feel the time is important. they don't worry, they don't rush.
same thing with my story of the guy getting ready to go out.
he didnt do much (get dressed, brush teeth) but he took his time, and didnt rush.
same thing with axl. he does not "realize" that people can wait for CD that much. he is just doing his thing. at his rythm.

[mitchejw]

ohhhh....so what you're saying is Axl is still on the metro trying to get to the studio, right?

[DoubleTalkingJive]

DTJ, I think the universal reaction to CD is gonns be," You mean we waited 12 years for this!?". It doesnt matter how good or bad the material is, thats what people are gonna say. It would take a true masterpiece to make the 12 year wait null and void.

I agree..   It's the media and his peers that will probably have the reactions you stated above and the VR fans that aren't really or just aren't into new GNR as much as they are into old GNR.
I truthfully don't like to use the word masterpiece when talking about music because that label is just not something that any band should HAVE to live up to no matter how long they take to do an album.

[jameslofton29]

DTJ, you're absolutely correct. No band should have to contend with the term 'masterpiece'. But Axl is used to it by now. Dont you remember 89-91, when the Illusions records' "Big Guns" were described as "massive epics"? It built alot of suspense for the records, and made the wait almost unbearable. As for CD, it isn't the media that throws these terms around like in the Illusions days. Its Axl's band members. They throw around terms like 'mind blowing' and 'earth shattering', and Axl's reference to certain songs being 'Big Guns'. If Axl wants to blame someone for the high expectations, he needs to only look in the mirror and in the direction of his bandmates.