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Quote from: jameslofton29 on February 20, 2007, 02:05:53 PM
Quote from: Borat on February 20, 2007, 10:32:17 AM
Oh and best of all... Curt 'Mr. Perfect' Hennig is in the hall of fame.
Its? a tragedy that he never held a belt in WWF. He should've been the Intercontinental Champion back in the late 80's when he started his Mr. Perfect gimmick. The gimmick would have been much more effective with him as a champion of some sort. They could've also given him a short World Title run.
I tend to disagree dude.
It was
Mid-88
when he started with the
WWF
as it was.? Now i'll be the first to admit i wasn't watching wrestling then, hell i was like 3 or 4 or whatever, but, through the power of tapes and dvds i feel in many ways i have lived that era, i have seen pretty much every
WWF PPV
since
1985
.? The gimmick was great and i thought they pushed him well.? When he first came in he was undefeated for a long time, they built him up well there is no need to rush guys to the top, which, is a mistake they make too often these days.? He was a
GREAT IC Champion
and also one of the greatest guys to NEVER win the
World Title
(Along with
Ted Dibiase
), but, i would not put the blame on
Vince
, to be honest blaming him for everything is so often far too easy.? He had a good feud years, hell in one
Royal Rumble
he was in the final 2 with
Hogan
, at
Survivor Series
he was the sole survivor, he held the
IC Title
twice and dropped the title in one of the best ever matches to
Bret Hart
at
Summerslam 1991
.? Now after his good few years as a top midcard heel the top would of been about right for him to get that main event push he deserved, but, the reason he dropped the belt in that classic match was because he was injured.? He was on the shelf for about 15 months, but, because of his immense talent they found a great role for him, he was
Ric Flair
's executive consultant (also while laid off over the years he did a GREAT job on commentary).
Now this is where things did go slight awry for him and the booking was lackluster.? He and
Flair
were split, someone had to turn face, he'd recovered from his injury so he turned face, and, it did not work.? He is a fantastic heel but as a face he just didn't work as well.? The great heels are guys like
Flair
,
Perfect
,
Michaels
who act cowardly and take cheap shots and bump like crazy.? This face run was short anyway since in
Mid-1993
he became injured again and did not wrestle again until
1997
in
WCW
.? From what i saw and have read over the years, as they did with many guys they misused him.
In
2002
though he made his triumphant return to
WWE
in the
Royal Rumble
and was booked to look really decent, that performance/comeback is a personal favourite of mine.? Unfortunately he was sacked several months later for the
"Plane Ride From Hell"
incident and a year later died.? He was great and is a legend, but, when healthy
WWE
used him fairly well, unfortunately it was injuries that wrecked his career and his momentum, i look forward to his
DVD
though, with all his
"Perfect Vignettes"
and some classic matches it should be a must own piece of history.
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Wrestlers such as Mr. Perfect, Jimmy Snuka, Don Muraco, Big John Studd, Jake Roberts, King Kong Bundy, Bad News Brown, Junkyard Dog, Paul Orndoorf,etc. deserved short title
Orndoff
did that's for sure, if
Roberts
hadn't had so many
"Demons"
and
"Personal Problems"
i'm sure they would of given him one, although he was so
"Over"
he never really needed a belt.? Coming from a guy who likes to watch wrestlers and or entertainers i would never of let a belt near
Bundy
,
Studd
,
JYD
or
Muraco
.? The first 2 mentioned were pretty useless in the ring during that period,
JYD
was a great entertainer and served that
"Position"
well but giving him
Gold
, nah.?
Muraco
just seemed like a big dumb hoss to me.? (Sorry
Loften
if i have offended some of your all time faves
)
The guy who deserved a decent
World Title
run was
Ted Dibiase
, a fantastic heel great in the ring and on the mic, how he never got a decent run with it is beyond me, at least he was pushed around that picture though....
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Quote from: Stoned on February 23, 2007, 11:16:09 AM
The guy who deserved a decent
World Title
run was
Ted Dibiase
, a fantastic heel great in the ring and on the mic, how he never got a decent run with it is beyond me, at least he was pushed around that picture though....
Yeah! Who else could have gotten away with creating his OWN freakin' belt!?
Have to disagree with you on Bundy and Studd, though. They were both usable giants and the Heenan family was so strong back then that it would have worked.
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My recollection on 80s wrestling is very fuzzy (many brain cells ago), but I thought DiBiase had the belt for a brief period. Andre the Giant beat Hulk Hogan when the referee's evil twin brother gave Hogan the 3 count even though his shoulder was up at 1. Andre then immediately relinquished (i.e., sold) the belt to DiBiase. Shortly thereafter, President Jack Tunney revoked the belt from DiBiase, holding that the rules provide that the belt can only be won in the ring. Interestingly enough, Andre's relinquishment of the title was held valid - therefore, there would be a tournament to decide the new champ. The final 2 came down to DiBiase and Savage. DiBiase slapped the Million Dollar Dream on Savage, who appeared to be a goner in just a few more seconds - until Hogan came in and crushed DiBiase in the back with a steel chair (don't know what happened to the ref). With DiBiase knocked out, Savage rolled on top of him for the 3 count.
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Quote from: GeorgeSteele on February 23, 2007, 02:37:53 PM
My recollection on 80s wrestling is very fuzzy (many brain cells ago), but I thought DiBiase had the belt for a brief period.? Andre the Giant beat Hulk Hogan when the referee's evil twin brother gave Hogan the 3 count even though his shoulder was up at 1.? Andre then immediately relinquished (i.e., sold) the belt to DiBiase.? Shortly thereafter, President Jack Tunney revoked the belt from DiBiase, holding that the rules provide that the belt can only be won in the ring.? Interestingly enough, Andre's relinquishment of the title was held valid - therefore, there would be a tournament to decide the new champ.? The final 2 came down to DiBiase and Savage.? DiBiase slapped the Million Dollar Dream on Savage, who appeared to be a goner in just a few more seconds - until Hogan came in and crushed DiBiase in the back with a steel chair (don't know what happened to the ref).? With DiBiase knocked out, Savage rolled on top of him for the 3 count.
Yeah that's pretty much what happened and the tourny was at
Wrestlemania IV
and i really enjoyed it. But because he was stripped of the title pretty much straight away he didn't really have a reign as such and like i said, the talent he was, he deserved a decent length reign with the belt on top....
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Really liking the two world title matches.
Streak vs Title was always gonna be cool although i'm sure the build up will be better than the actual match.
HBK vs John Cena . . if ever a ring should explode it should be in this match. However considering the Atmosphere at the HHH vs Cena match at last years WM i'm hoping for the same atmosphere.
I think its a disgrace that Edge isn't involved in some way in the world title match coz he deserves to be there more than both Cena and HBK. But i like the play on HBK's return to the main event at WM angle vs the Dominant champion.
Its the 1st WM title match in years that i really don't give a monkeys who wins. I just hope we see more than 10 wrestling moves combined in both title matches.
What!!??!! Gnrfan actually praising something with HBK in it?? I don't believe it?!!
Well i sort of praised it.
I also said the ring should explode and that its a disgrace that Edge isn't in there.
But to continue along my pro-hbk phase . . . I think it will draw big time. And if they can get the same atmosphere as last year when its at least half n half or more fans are for HBK then that would be cool.
I just hope if they give the "Main Event" (what a joke) the world title they let him have a run rather than just giving it him "One Last Time". Make it credible.
On the other hand if Cena wins . . they should have someone take it off him and give him a rest from the world title picture coz if possible he pisses me off more than HBK.
I hope Edge wins MITB again (although i dont think he will) and then after the main event crashes it again and wins it. I thought that was so funny last time.
And if you guys are wondering who i'd prefer to be champ out of the two "chumps" i would indeed go for the lesser of two evils in HBK. But i really dont care. I wont tune in for either of their segments.
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Quote from: Axl4Life on February 18, 2007, 07:09:18 AM
Quote from: Gnrfan on February 18, 2007, 12:31:10 AM
Really liking the two world title matches.
Streak vs Title was always gonna be cool although i'm sure the build up will be better than the actual match.
HBK vs John Cena . . if ever a ring should explode it should be in this match. However considering the Atmosphere at the HHH vs Cena match at last years WM i'm hoping for the same atmosphere.
I think its a disgrace that Edge isn't involved in some way in the world title match coz he deserves to be there more than both Cena and HBK. But i like the play on HBK's return to the main event at WM angle vs the Dominant champion.
Its the 1st WM title match in years that i really don't give a monkeys who wins. I just hope we see more than 10 wrestling moves combined in both title matches.
What!!??!! Gnrfan actually praising something with HBK in it?? I don't believe it?!!
Well i sort of praised it.
I also said the ring should explode and that its a disgrace that Edge isn't in there.
But to continue along my pro-hbk phase . . . I think it will draw big time. And if they can get the same atmosphere as last year when its at least half n half or more fans are for HBK then that would be cool.
I just hope if they give the "Main Event" (what a joke) the world title they let him have a run rather than just giving it him "One Last Time". Make it credible.
On the other hand if Cena wins . . they should have someone take it off him and give him a rest from the world title picture coz if possible he pisses me off more than HBK.
I hope Edge wins MITB again (although i dont think he will) and then after the main event crashes it again and wins it. I thought that was so funny last time.
And if you guys are wondering who i'd prefer to be champ out of the two "chumps" i would indeed go for the lesser of two evils in HBK. But i really dont care. I wont tune in for either of their segments.
Well from your point of view wouldn't you rather have....say Edge vs HBK than Edge vs Cena? Edge and HBK are 2 of those guys that has a good match with anybody so it would be good to see them together in a fued. Also that street fight they were in recently was awesome. I really think Edge will win MITB, unless Orton screws him out of it or something then goes into a mini fued with Orton, while Cena and HBK are still in the WWE Title picture after wrestlemania.
I agree with you about the atmosphere. Yeah it would be cool if it was the same as last year, but it wasn't half and half last year either! Cena got booed outta the building, and HHH tried to get the crowd to jeer him, but it wouldn't work.
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Quote from: Gnrfan on February 24, 2007, 04:28:45 AM
Quote from: Axl4Life on February 18, 2007, 07:09:18 AM
Quote from: Gnrfan on February 18, 2007, 12:31:10 AM
Really liking the two world title matches.
Streak vs Title was always gonna be cool although i'm sure the build up will be better than the actual match.
HBK vs John Cena . . if ever a ring should explode it should be in this match. However considering the Atmosphere at the HHH vs Cena match at last years WM i'm hoping for the same atmosphere.
I think its a disgrace that Edge isn't involved in some way in the world title match coz he deserves to be there more than both Cena and HBK. But i like the play on HBK's return to the main event at WM angle vs the Dominant champion.
Its the 1st WM title match in years that i really don't give a monkeys who wins. I just hope we see more than 10 wrestling moves combined in both title matches.
What!!??!! Gnrfan actually praising something with HBK in it?? I don't believe it?!!
Well i sort of praised it.
I also said the ring should explode and that its a disgrace that Edge isn't in there.
But to continue along my pro-hbk phase . . . I think it will draw big time. And if they can get the same atmosphere as last year when its at least half n half or more fans are for HBK then that would be cool.
I just hope if they give the "Main Event" (what a joke) the world title they let him have a run rather than just giving it him "One Last Time". Make it credible.
On the other hand if Cena wins . . they should have someone take it off him and give him a rest from the world title picture coz if possible he pisses me off more than HBK.
I hope Edge wins MITB again (although i dont think he will) and then after the main event crashes it again and wins it. I thought that was so funny last time.
And if you guys are wondering who i'd prefer to be champ out of the two "chumps" i would indeed go for the lesser of two evils in HBK. But i really dont care. I wont tune in for either of their segments.
Well from your point of view wouldn't you rather have....say Edge vs HBK than Edge vs Cena? Edge and HBK are 2 of those guys that has a good match with anybody so it would be good to see them together in a fued. Also that street fight they were in recently was awesome. I really think Edge will win MITB, unless Orton screws him out of it or something then goes into a mini fued with Orton, while Cena and HBK are still in the WWE Title picture after wrestlemania.
I agree with you about the atmosphere. Yeah it would be cool if it was the same as last year, but it wasn't half and half last year either! Cena got booed outta the building, and HHH tried to get the crowd to jeer him, but it wouldn't work.?
Yeah thats why i said at least 50 / 50.
I think HBK vs Edge would be a great feud but only if it put Edge strongly over. Not sure its a feud you could dedicate like 3 months to though.
Cena just needs to drop the title if he is ever going to keep any sort of respect at all.
Just dont think that HBK vs Cena is Main Event @ Wrestlemania material but maybe they'll prove me wrong
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It's all about working with what you have.
HBK
vs
Cena
is fresh, both guys are way over and looking at the active roster it's probably the best draw.
Obviously
Hogan
vs
Austin
would outdraw but that isn't happening.
Although the match would suck and the merchandise sales would take a hit a
Cena
heel turn and match with
Hogan
would have been a TREMENDOUS draw.
I don't have that much of an issue with
Cena
these days, the guy isn't great but he works his ass off and doesn't deserve all this hate. I mean people should direct their hate at the other 2 champions because
Cena
is waaaay better than
Lashley
&
Batista
.
Still the
Cena
haters have a good sense of humour...
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Quote from: Stoned on February 24, 2007, 11:00:55 AM
It's all about working with what you have.
HBK
vs
Cena
is fresh, both guys are way over and looking at the active roster it's probably the best draw.
Obviously
Hogan
vs
Austin
would outdraw but that isn't happening.
Although the match would suck and the merchandise sales would take a hit a
Cena
heel turn and match with
Hogan
would have been a TREMENDOUS draw.
I don't have that much of an issue with
Cena
these days, the guy isn't great but he works his ass off and doesn't deserve all this hate. I mean people should direct their hate at the other 2 champions because
Cena
is waaaay better than
Lashley
&
Batista
.
Still the
Cena
haters have a good sense of humour...
Yeah I guess you are right. Lashley is just plain useless and I thought Batista was ok, but he's become useless and stale after he came back from his injury. He should consider hanging it up now.
Yeah, the anti cena things you find on the net these days give you a cheap laugh, like these:
They're very imaginitive, aren't they.
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HBK will make a believer out of tou eventually Gnrfan.
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HBK will make a believer out of tou eventually Gnrfan.?
The Jury is still out on that one.
And stoned is right Lashley and Batista are worse than cena . . but thats not a great yardstick in the 1st place.
I've never known three two wrestlers that look the part more but just have never delivered in the ring.
People like Edge and Benoit must be sick.
Changing the subject does everyone think that Kennedy is the likely winner of the MITB match. I think its either him or Edge.
Edge is undeafeated at Wrestlemania so i think it would be cool for him to Win it especially if Undertaker loses his streak
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Changing the subject does everyone think that Kennedy is the likely winner of the MITB match. I think its either him or Edge.
Edge is undeafeated at Wrestlemania so i think it would be cool for him to Win it especially if Undertaker loses his streak
I think you are spot on there.
Kennedy
is being pushed to the moon and despite jobbing him out in main event matches they keep him looking strong.
Edge
's chances lie on the fact that he has an undefeated streak as well.
Booker
&
Punk
are unlikely..
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Ric Flair is 58 today.?
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Quote from: Gnrfan on February 25, 2007, 01:44:22 AM
Changing the subject does everyone think that Kennedy is the likely winner of the MITB match. I think its either him or Edge.
Edge is undeafeated at Wrestlemania so i think it would be cool for him to Win it especially if Undertaker loses his streak
I think you are spot on there.
Kennedy
is being pushed to the moon and despite jobbing him out in main event matches they keep him looking strong.
Edge
's chances lie on the fact that he has an undefeated streak as well.
Booker
&
Punk
are unlikely..
Yeah, they'll probably do sumthing like Undertaker loses his streak, then Edge wins MITB, then he brags about him being the only guy being undefeated at Wrestlemania, and all, then Orton
Could
turn face and challenge Edge for the MITB which would lead into a mini fued with him for a while, then when the time was right, Edge would go on to challenge the champ, whoever that may be, and whatever brand they're on.
They even hinted a Orton/Edge fued in the future with that promo last week on Raw, when Edge says he'll take the back door to winning the championship and all.
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Quote from: Gnrfan on February 25, 2007, 01:44:22 AM
Changing the subject does everyone think that Kennedy is the likely winner of the MITB match. I think its either him or Edge.
Edge is undeafeated at Wrestlemania so i think it would be cool for him to Win it especially if Undertaker loses his streak
I think you are spot on there.?
Kennedy
is being pushed to the moon and despite jobbing him out in main event matches they keep him looking strong.?
Edge
's chances lie on the fact that he has an undefeated streak as well.?
Booker
&
Punk
are unlikely..
Yeah, they'll probably do sumthing like Undertaker loses his streak, then Edge wins MITB, then he brags about him being the only guy being undefeated at Wrestlemania, and all, then Orton
Could
turn face and challenge Edge for the MITB which would lead into a mini fued with him for a while, then when the time was right, Edge would go on to challenge the champ, whoever that may be, and whatever brand they're on.
They even hinted a Orton/Edge fued in the future with that promo last week on Raw, when Edge says he'll take the back door to winning the championship and all.
Yeah i see a lot of splits and changes coming.
They have a tag title shot monday i see them winning after
HBK
"Accidently" nails
Cena
.
Then i could see them dropping the belts soon after maybe after
'Mania
when they fall out.
If you look at the other "Rumoured"
MITB
combatents,
Kennedy
,
Jeff Hardy
, plus the confirmed,
CM Punk
,
King Booker
&
Edge
. Then in thoery the alst spot would go to an extremist and maybe a face. Will
RVD
get another chance? Could it be
Sabu
and where does this leave
Orton
? With
Cena
's merchandise sales and
HBK
's christianity a heel turn from either is unlikely, maybe Orton will sneak in there. Imagine if
Orton
won this and then straight after his "friend"
Edge
came out and cashed in the
MITB
, now that would be sweet...
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- There will be eight participants in this year?s Wrestlemania Money in the Bank match.
- The direction of the Undertaker vs. Batista match has apparently changed. The original idea was for Batista to end the Undertaker?s Wrestlemania winning streak, but now, it appears more likely that the Undertaker will prevail at Wrestlemania 23.
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Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter
- There will be eight participants in this year?s Wrestlemania Money in the Bank match.
- The direction of the Undertaker vs. Batista match has apparently changed. The original idea was for Batista to end the Undertaker?s Wrestlemania winning streak, but now, it appears more likely that the Undertaker will prevail at Wrestlemania 23.
Yeah, I read that on pwmania.com
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for Donald vs Vince since they are getting a special ref. for the match do you guys think its gonna be austin? since they are trying to figure out how they will get him involved to this years WM.
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Quote from: w.axl.rose on February 26, 2007, 10:37:12 PM
for Donald vs Vince since they are getting a special ref. for the match do you guys think its gonna be austin? since they are trying to figure out how they will get him involved to this years WM.?
God I hope so!!!
I rarley watch wrestling anymore (pretty much since austin and the rock have disappeared)... I was hoping Trumps guy was Austin...
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