Wrestling...thats right, Wrestling!

[Hammy]

WWE go way too fast with angles and they don't let them build and get hot.

Often they do, no doubt, but to say that about THIS feud.  Too fast    Where the hell have you been the past few months.  This feud has been slowly brewing for ages and is just about at boiling point.

It all began during the HBK and Batista feud, Jericho getting pissed at HBK for faking an injury and it's grown since then.

Each to his own, but for me this has been feud of the year by far.  This feud has turned Jericho back from midcarder to main eventer and better than before, he's a serious and sadistic heel.  I remember a lot of people complained when Jericho beat HBK via ref stoppage, I thought that was great and HBK's selling of the injury was spot on (if not slightly overdone by some people's tastes).  Getting the wife involved may have been predictable, but heck the promo's those guys cut on each other, HBK telling Jericho to go home and tell his kids he will never be Shawn Michaels, I've loved this stuff and NOW we get a Ladder Match.

As for the idea of Jericho kidnapping HBK's wife, that sounds to Russorific for my tastes I don't know about anyone else, for me they've managed fine without going to stupid lengths like that, I've never been keen on them overstepping the realism boundary (i.e. JBL trying to run down Cena).

My only complaints about anything in this feud would be:

A) Until last week Cade been made to look like a loser lackey
B) I know he's selling the fact that he is upset, but the HBK hobo look/I lost my smile again look can get annoying after a while, he keeps it up he'll definately need new entrance music.
C) Jericho's title win, it goes against most reasonable logic.  A guy is too injured to wrestle, let's say he's at 10% health.  You have a roster of guys 100% healthy raring to go, who do you let do it?  The guy at 15% health.  The only saving grace is it was Adamle's decision and he is meant to be a moron.

[slash666]

to be honest, as stupid as it sounds I can see a Adamle heel turn soon given his actions last week

[D]

WWE go way too fast with angles and they don't let them build and get hot.

Often they do, no doubt, but to say that about THIS feud.  Too fast    Where the hell have you been the past few months.  This feud has been slowly brewing for ages and is just about at boiling point.

It all began during the HBK and Batista feud, Jericho getting pissed at HBK for faking an injury and it's grown since then.

Each to his own, but for me this has been feud of the year by far.  This feud has turned Jericho back from midcarder to main eventer and better than before, he's a serious and sadistic heel.  I remember a lot of people complained when Jericho beat HBK via ref stoppage, I thought that was great and HBK's selling of the injury was spot on (if not slightly overdone by some people's tastes).  Getting the wife involved may have been predictable, but heck the promo's those guys cut on each other, HBK telling Jericho to go home and tell his kids he will never be Shawn Michaels, I've loved this stuff and NOW we get a Ladder Match.

As for the idea of Jericho kidnapping HBK's wife, that sounds to Russorific for my tastes I don't know about anyone else, for me they've managed fine without going to stupid lengths like that, I've never been keen on them overstepping the realism boundary (i.e. JBL trying to run down Cena).

My only complaints about anything in this feud would be:

A) Until last week Cade been made to look like a loser lackey
B) I know he's selling the fact that he is upset, but the HBK hobo look/I lost my smile again look can get annoying after a while, he keeps it up he'll definately need new entrance music.
C) Jericho's title win, it goes against most reasonable logic.  A guy is too injured to wrestle, let's say he's at 10% health.  You have a roster of guys 100% healthy raring to go, who do you let do it?  The guy at 15% health.  The only saving grace is it was Adamle's decision and he is meant to be a moron.

Maybe not kidnap but maybe she be in the audience seeing her hubby get revenge and Jericho yank her out of the crowd and threaten her with a chair or something until HBK Lays down.

Jericho has won how many matches in this feud?

has HBK laid down ONCE for Jericho? NO

He had the dumb ass Detached Retina which MAGICALLY is better. Thats Russo dumbshit. Magical career ending injuries that somehow go away with no explanation.

So Jericho vs HBK for the title. I can't see HBK laying down. hopefully he will, but I don't know.

[Hammy]

Jericho has won how many matches in this feud?

has HBK laid down ONCE for Jericho? NO

Last time I checked beating someone to a bloody pulp and having the referee step in and winning by ref stoppage counted and I'm almost certain Jericho will win the Ladder Match.

He had the dumb ass Detached Retina which MAGICALLY is better. Thats Russo dumbshit. Magical career ending injuries that somehow go away with no explanation.

Oh come on you know the recovery rate of people in wrestling is quick, I mean in the "Real World" people wouldn't recover from chair shots and sledgehammer shots, you properly hit someone in the head with a sledgehammer you'd kill them yet people often recover after taking such a shot during the match.  The career ending injury was to sell the beating.  And from what's been said, with his mounting injuries (real ones) he'd like to be very part time, so an injury like this in itself is a good excuse for a reduced schedule, remember he was "Advised" to quit, not told he had to, in reality has was told to quit in 1998 and NEVER come back, but he did, and yet that's real.

I much prefer more realistic angles over "Edge has been sent straight to hell...."

[jacko]

HBK storylines are great -- remember him and Kurt Angle - wow!.... then recently HBK and Orton - he made Orton. 

Adamle just plain sucks - he should be fired and some old time legend - who knows wrestling should be in his spot. 

everyone is taking about the 3rd/2nd generation faction w/ Orton, Rhodes and Dibiase  - but isnt D'lo back, and Mark Henry w Tony Atlas are the top heels of ECW, and R truth over in SD getting a push ... and Obama about to lead this nation - it's about time for a reunion of the Nation of Domination ... maybe Slick can come back    Micheal PS Hayes sure would like that 

[D]

That match with Micheals didnt help Jericho. It made him look like a pussy cause HBK had to have 1 eye and Jericho still had the hardest time in the world finishing him off.

so the only chance Jericho, your top heel and world champ has to beat HBK is if he has a detached Retina and can't see.

Perfect.


HBK beats the living fuck out of a guy and he magically recovers in time to win the title whe the champ got "KICKED" in the head and was out 2 weeks

Yeah Hammy, AMAZING booking there pal. AMAZING!

HBK didn't make Randy Orton. HHH and Ric Flair can get credit, but Orton was HUGE way before he wrestled HBK.

[jacko]

HBK didn't make Randy Orton. HHH and Ric Flair can get credit, but Orton was HUGE way before he wrestled HBK.

yeah i know evolution and all made Orton .. but his somewhat recent Punt in the head move that he was doing week in and week out - Cena then HBK was it for me. He became a monster heel ... then the HHH and Orton feud really took off ( til Orton got injured ) ... now Orton's coming back - and i cant wait  ... too bad HHH is over on SD... hope they dont make Orton some lame face again

[Hammy]

That match with Micheals didnt help Jericho. It made him look like a pussy cause HBK had to have 1 eye and Jericho still had the hardest time in the world finishing him off.

so the only chance Jericho, your top heel and world champ has to beat HBK is if he has a detached Retina and can't see.

He's the face, anyone else in HBK's position as the face would get that treatment people expect the superhuman comebacks, whether it be Hogan or whoever.  Your notion of putting Jericho over seems to be having him squash HBK like the dude was nothing.

HBK beats the living fuck out of a guy and he magically recovers in time to win the title whe the champ got "KICKED" in the head and was out 2 weeks

You notice that was on my list of criticisms 

Yeah Hammy, AMAZING booking there pal. AMAZING!

Chill dude, no need to shout 

HBK didn't make Randy Orton. HHH and Ric Flair can get credit, but Orton was HUGE way before he wrestled HBK.

Like it matters.  Although he wasn't huge the first time he feuded with HBK, ya know, back when he was still in Evolution, and Orton beat HBK on PPV.

[Mr Cowbell ?]

HBK is suppose to have a mystery Partner. I bet its Trips' being they are looking to promote their move to the my network and have the tribranded main event on the show this week. DX Reunion, 1 night only!

[Gnrfan]

That match with Micheals didnt help Jericho. It made him look like a pussy cause HBK had to have 1 eye and Jericho still had the hardest time in the world finishing him off.

so the only chance Jericho, your top heel and world champ has to beat HBK is if he has a detached Retina and can't see.

Perfect.


HBK beats the living fuck out of a guy and he magically recovers in time to win the title whe the champ got "KICKED" in the head and was out 2 weeks

Yeah Hammy, AMAZING booking there pal. AMAZING!

HBK didn't make Randy Orton. HHH and Ric Flair can get credit, but Orton was HUGE way before he wrestled HBK.

I'm gonna agree with D... i think the out of ring part of the feud has been brilliant and i agree with Hammy ... its the Feud of the year. But the in-ring booking has been a little poor. I have no problem with HBK beating Jericho and later him becoming champion but the way they did it was silly especially when compared to how CM Punk was removed. And all other competitors in that match are former World Champions... it was a little rookie to let him sneak in.

And I think Randy Orton was already big enough to get a win over HBK by that time.... so i think its too much to say HBK made him. HBK hasn't made that many IMO.

The question lies with this Ladder match. I know everyone thinks Jericho is a nail on to win.... but for me its how he wins that important. First of all.... i dont want to see Cade interfere to get Jericho the win. He has to "just" beat him. you know.... the better man on the night kinda thing. If HBK has a reason to lose... i.e. interference or sacrificing the win to beat Jericho ... then i think Jericho's run as champion needs to be looked at. If you can't give your World Champion a clean win over a ageing star who hasn't held Any World title since 2002 then why is he World Champion?

I wouldn't mind Jericho snapping and beating HBK really bad with the ladder until officials come out and strecher him away leaving Jericho just to walk up and get the belt to a chorus of heat from the fans. Whatever happens this feud isn't finished so for Y2J to do to HBK what HBK did to him makes sense to me. and to beat HBK in a ladder match would be a big boost to his title run and credibility.

You could even save the third and final match for WM, with hopefully one of them traded to SD the next night to seperate them without the intensity of the feud having to suffer.

[Gnrfan]

Triple-Threat Champion vs. Champion Match
- WWE Champion Triple H vs. World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho vs. ECW Champion Matt Hardy

- United States Champion Shelton Benjamin vs. Intercontinental Champion Santino Marella

All-Star Eight-Man Tag Team Match
- Kane, JBL, MVP & The Brian Kendrick vs. Rey Mysterio, Finlay, Batista & Jeff Hardy

Lumberjack Match
- Divas Champion Michelle McCool vs. Women's Champion Beth Phoenix

- WWE Tag Team Champions Primo & Carlito vs. World Tag Team Champions Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase

Not a bad SD card. 

[jacko]

Triple-Threat Champion vs. Champion Match
- WWE Champion Triple H vs. World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho vs. ECW Champion Matt Hardy

- United States Champion Shelton Benjamin vs. Intercontinental Champion Santino Marella

All-Star Eight-Man Tag Team Match
- Kane, JBL, MVP & The Brian Kendrick vs. Rey Mysterio, Finlay, Batista & Jeff Hardy

Lumberjack Match
- Divas Champion Michelle McCool vs. Women's Champion Beth Phoenix

- WWE Tag Team Champions Primo & Carlito vs. World Tag Team Champions Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase

Not a bad SD card. 

this is what Wrestlemania should be - like a Superbowl - the best of all brands duking it out.

[Gnrfan]

Triple-Threat Champion vs. Champion Match
- WWE Champion Triple H vs. World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho vs. ECW Champion Matt Hardy

- United States Champion Shelton Benjamin vs. Intercontinental Champion Santino Marella

All-Star Eight-Man Tag Team Match
- Kane, JBL, MVP & The Brian Kendrick vs. Rey Mysterio, Finlay, Batista & Jeff Hardy

Lumberjack Match
- Divas Champion Michelle McCool vs. Women's Champion Beth Phoenix

- WWE Tag Team Champions Primo & Carlito vs. World Tag Team Champions Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase

Not a bad SD card. 

this is what Wrestlemania should be - like a Superbowl - the best of all brands duking it out.

While i dont agree with it being at Wrestlemania... there should be a PPV every year where the brands are like teams. Like a yearly tournament. It would be a great way to start and stop feuds, as well as seeing some unusual pairings i.e. Matt Hardy & Mark Henry vs HHH & Koslov vs Y2J & HBK or even Jeff vs Matt representing the brands. It would be an interesting concept. There could be a Ryder Cup like score.... Friendships put to the test.... Enemies have to co-exsist for the sake of the team.

Would be cool

[Mr Cowbell ?]

Triple-Threat Champion vs. Champion Match
- WWE Champion Triple H vs. World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho vs. ECW Champion Matt Hardy

- United States Champion Shelton Benjamin vs. Intercontinental Champion Santino Marella

All-Star Eight-Man Tag Team Match
- Kane, JBL, MVP & The Brian Kendrick vs. Rey Mysterio, Finlay, Batista & Jeff Hardy

Lumberjack Match
- Divas Champion Michelle McCool vs. Women's Champion Beth Phoenix

- WWE Tag Team Champions Primo & Carlito vs. World Tag Team Champions Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase

Not a bad SD card. 

this is what Wrestlemania should be - like a Superbowl - the best of all brands duking it out.

While i dont agree with it being at Wrestlemania... there should be a PPV every year where the brands are like teams. Like a yearly tournament. It would be a great way to start and stop feuds, as well as seeing some unusual pairings i.e. Matt Hardy & Mark Henry vs HHH & Koslov vs Y2J & HBK or even Jeff vs Matt representing the brands. It would be an interesting concept. There could be a Ryder Cup like score.... Friendships put to the test.... Enemies have to co-exsist for the sake of the team.

Would be cool

I think they try that every couple years with Survivor Series. I like the ryder cup aspect. Have a Points type system with the brand winning the most points earns the WWE Cup for the Shows GM, add in more fueds and a diffferent event for the year. Traditional SS Match,

Miz, Morrison, Henry , Ortiz, VS J Hardy, Kozlov, MVP, Brian Kendrick, Vs. Bastita, RKO, CM Punk, JBL.



HeavyWeight Challenge

HHH, Jericho, and Hardy.


TAG TEAM TURMOIL.

Priceless vs Colons vs ECW team, with both Raw and SD defending their titles so if the ECW team wins they bring the title to that show.


Oviously some type of woman's match, wear they wear sexy lingerie and prance around for Points.

Monsters ball

UT vs Kane vs Boogeyman

Battle Royal, with ECW, SD, and Raw superstars not already wrestling.

It could be a great event and if book correctly could be the event of the year next to WM to look forward to, you could have "teammates" causing their own brand to loose matches costing the GM points and making the GM hate them and start a fued with them. I see them putting so much into this first SD and the next couple to make sure they dont loose their fan base, but an event like this on a PPV could be incredible. Which Brand and GM do you want to take home the WWE Cup.

[D]

Anyone else notice Cade blow that Sweet Chin/Pedigree spot last night?

Poor Cade....


HHH said "GET UP" 

[Hammy]

Anyone else notice Cade blow that Sweet Chin/Pedigree spot last night?

Poor Cade....


HHH said "GET UP" 

And his timing was out with the throwing of the Ladder and Jericho's promo, and he stuttered when he was cutting a promo earlier in the night.  Not his best night.

[Gnrfan]

Anyone else notice Cade blow that Sweet Chin/Pedigree spot last night?

Poor Cade....


HHH said "GET UP" 

And his timing was out with the throwing of the Ladder and Jericho's promo, and he stuttered when he was cutting a promo earlier in the night.  Not his best night.

they'll let anyone train these guys these days

[Hammy]

^ Same dude trained The Brian Kendrick so I'll let him off 



Looks like plans are for the "Age of Orton" to return sooner, rather than later.

[Gnrfan]

^ Same dude trained The Brian Kendrick so I'll let him off 



Looks like plans are for the "Age of Orton" to return sooner, rather than later.

I know a certain Cowboy who will be jumping for joy in his tent over this news

[Hammy]

No word on the match listing...yet.  At 3 Discs though It's guaranteed to cover some classics, I'll definately be picking this up.  This so reeks of awesomeness