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Reply #11100 on:
December 22, 2007, 01:49:32 PM »
Ah the disillusioned wrestling fans...
..i used to be one...but now, either because my standards have dropped ridiculously low...or perhaps because i fast forward through most of the matches, but whatever the reason - i rather enjoy it all
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I agree MoreCowbell
Its like when Mick Foley fell off the hell in the cell and then got choked slammed through the top of the Hell in the cell and got up and continued the match.
Then on a Raw he got choked slammed through a chair and had to be stretchered out?
ARE U FUCKIN SERIOUS?
I know its wrestling and not real but FUCK thats just retarded.
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^ What about Kane?
He came in as a deformed monster who couldn't, talk, who was scared beyond recognition... Now, he's staring in movies
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Quote from: Loaded NightraiN on December 22, 2007, 09:21:46 PM
^ What about Kane?
He came in as a deformed monster who couldn't, talk, who was scared beyond recognition... Now, he's staring in movies?
?
No he could talk when he put that dildo type thing next to his neck, and could talk prior when he was THE KING dentist DR ISAAC YANKEM.
Its hard for me watching wrestling for 20 years then stopping for 2 years and coming back, I popped out around 2003 when things were you know so so and coming back in 2005 things were so unthoughtful and unplanned.
Right now I am trying to think of the longest/best story line fued running. I think Hornswoggle being Mcmahon's son is the longest continuos thing they have running. Maybe one of my friends here can still explain to me WHY is HARDCORE HOLLY so Hardcore? I remember him with that pretty long brown hair, being from the south, racing around in the WWF Busch Series Race car around 1995. and Also being about 1 step up from Barry Harowitz and 1 step below Brooklyn Brawler on the jobber Scale.
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^ Bob the "spark plug" holly
I love when jerry lalwer said he always lost races, cause he had to stop and ask for directions
What happened to him??? Remember he used to rip on EVERYONE?? Wrestlers, hillbilly fans, what a shame
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Quote from: More Cowbell on December 22, 2007, 12:20:52 PM
How about Savage loosing to Warrior in a Career Ending Match after dropping five elbows on the Ultimate Warrior and he got up, then Liz comes down to his aid to protect him from sensational sherrie and hooking up with macho man and getting married at SUMMER SLAM and Jake The Snake wrapping up a King Cobra and having it bite macho man at his wedding setting up Macho's return to action where he went after Jake, who was having his own problems as Undertaker was Turning his FIRST WWF face on him and going after Jake also. ?Now that was a well thought out and well played storyline.
Classic stuff, been watching my
Tagged Classics DVDs
recently which show all the old stuff without the
WWF
blurring or censors incidently. ?Watched
Royal Rumble 1991
, really good event, that's where the beginning of
Savage
vs
Warrior
was started when
Savage
cracked
Warrior
over the head costing him his title. ?The sheer intensity he put into stuff was fantastic, for nostalgic purposes i wish they could get him back for a one off, and release a
3DVD
set of his stuff. ?For unknown reasons though he seems to be one guy
Vince
hates with a passion and won't consider contacting....(And no it's not because of that dodgy myth involving
Steph
...)
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I mean come on UMAGA getting counted out last week because he broke the ring barrier, I mean this is the same guy who GOT UP after Triple HHH hit him with a sledge hammer about 5 times in the head.
Wrestling always has these inconsistences, especially with monster, they have through the good periods and bad, old days and new. ?A monster is brought in, built up as indestructable and then over the years becomes more human and less difficult to beat. ?I mean
Kane
used to get up after having been
Tombstoned
2wice, noe a sneaky low blow and a hand full of tights and he's done. ?
The Great Khali
has gone from defeating
Undertaker
CLEANLY
to jobbing to midcarders like
Finlay
. ?They protected
Umaga
as much as they could, it wasn't like he was pinned or submitted, count outs are your cheap protecting style results like
DQs
. ?As for the
Flair
vs
Triple H
bought i could see it going the same way as the
Triple H
vs
HBK
European Title Match
.
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Not to mention the title scene. ?Crusierweight Title was HUGE in WCW back in the day. (Malenko, Jericho, Rey, etc) Now its reduced to being a joke.
Well it just doesn't exist now. ?Shame really they actually do have the available talent. ?
Jamie Noble
has shown in recent weeks, and actually he showed it years ago with
Nidia
that he was so much charisma, the dude is a great talker and he's a hell of a worker in the ring to. ?They also have
Rey Mysterio
,
Super Crazy
,
Shannon Moore
,
Jimmy Yang
,
Paul London
,
Brian Kendrick
,
Nunzio
,
Chavo Guerrero
,
Funaki
who could all be taken from their current places on the roster and pushed into the
Division
, but, alas, won't happen.
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They have two tag belts and what maybe two full time tag teams, (Redneck Crew and Londrick
are the only two teams I would classify as fulltime tag teams
and they dont even have the belts)
Have to disagree, like this teams or not;
Deuce N' Domino
,
The Highlanders
,
The Edgeheads
(
Major Bros
),
Jesse
&
Festus
are all proper teams. ?All 4 since entering the company have had joint tag music, 3 have team names and one did previously, 3 of the 4 have matching ring attire, if in singles matches all are accompanied by the other partner.
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Intercontinel Title. It used to be defended at every PPV now its just sitting on Hardy instead of promoting the next level or generation of main eventers with it the Man with a Title shot at the PPV is holding it again so this will be the 3rd PPV its not defended at, SS, ARM, Rumble.)
Although they are failing to defend it as often as they should i still think having him carry the
Gold
is doing the Belt good. ?He had some good battles with
Umaga
over it giving the
Belt
meaning and
Shelton Benjamin
and
Mr. Kennedy
briefly, as well as that
Ladder Match
with
Carlito
and having the belt on someone this far up the card is better than putting it on a lower midcarder and making it look like a jobber belt.
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Competition in wrestling creates the writers and staff to put on a better show then the rest. ?When they were going Head to Head every monday night, and Nitro was 2 and then 3 hours long each week seemed like ?PPV event. ?WWE was PUSHED to do everything possible with great stories to use their stars and smaller payroll of talent to beat WCW and the big dollar stars they were buying.
Yeah shame
TNA
hasn't picked up the ball and pushed things like they could. ?I think one thing that is consistent that people over look is that despite
WWE
being on the down turn in many ways the
WRESTLING
over the whole of the show has been better the past five years than it was in many of the prime periods. ?The first few
Wrestlemania
's were built around 1 or 2 matches the rest of the matches went so short as they crammed way too many on. ?Wheareas these days they bang everyone onto a
Pre-Show Battle Royal
back in the day those guys would of been stuck on the card. ?And what about the
Attitude Era RAWs
, they were so entertaining, but the matches were so short,
WWE
makes an effort now, especially on
Smackdown
to have a solid mid show match, they average
4-5 matches
rather than the
Attitude 8
to a
TV Show
. ?
Finlay
has been responsible for many of them, the argument of many though is why give away
PPV
quality matches on free tv, where then is the incentive to pay for a show when the matches on tv are nearly as long?
Quote from: D on December 22, 2007, 07:00:39 PM
Its like when Mick Foley fell off the hell in the cell and then got choked slammed through the top of the Hell in the cell and got up and continued the match.
Then on a Raw he got choked slammed through a chair and had to be stretchered out?
ARE U FUCKIN SERIOUS?
I know its wrestling and not real but FUCK thats just retarded.
Yeah but dude that's also a classic moment of wrestling, the crowd were crazy for that, and remember that was
Attitude ERA
no selling stuff, the stuff people complain they
WANT
back, whereas they moan and bitch about how it's "slowed" down these days. ?It's something anyway that is reserved for the top guys, the superhuman comebacks, always has been always will be, how about we complain about
Hogan
hulking up,
Undertaker
sitting up,
Michaels
bleeding everywhere and then coming back, or anyone remember when
Triple H
got dropped in that car by that crane operated by
Austin
but he was fine the next night, the list is endless but these complaints are so minor it's not detremental to the final product....
Quote from: More Cowbell on December 23, 2007, 04:52:02 PM
Right now I am trying to think of the longest/best story line fued running.
? I think Hornswoggle being Mcmahon's son is the longest continuos thing they have running.? Maybe one of my friends here can still explain to me WHY is HARDCORE HOLLY so Hardcore?? I remember him with that pretty long brown hair, being from the south, racing around in the WWF Busch Series Race car around 1995.? and Also being about 1 step up from Barry Harowitz and 1 step below Brooklyn Brawler on the jobber Scale.?
Well before he got injured,
Matt Hardy
vs
MVP
was easily the best thing goin'
IMHO
.
Ah!
Bob "Sparky Plugg" Holly
. ?Classic. ?Well he had a short
Tag Title
reign with
1-2-3 Kid
(
Sean Waltman
), A
IC Reign
which i don't think get's acknowledged, as
Cole
would say, he was champ for a cup of coffee. ?Then he and
Bart Gunn
formed the
New Midnight Express
which bombed. ?Then as
Bob Holly
he was part of the aptly named
J.O.B. Squad
and then because of all the
Hardcore
battles going on as the belt emerged he took on that name, first time i really remember him going by that was
St. Valentine Day's Massacre
one of my personal fave events. ?He still has the name simply because it's the most over he's ever been (and that's not sayin' much) and it sums up his persona/gimmick as a tough, bullying son of a bitch who doesn't take shit from nobody, i think.
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They have two tag belts and what maybe two full time tag teams, (Redneck Crew and Londrick
are the only two teams I would classify as fulltime tag teams
and they dont even have the belts)
Have to disagree, like this teams or not;
Deuce N' Domino
,
The Highlanders
,
The Edgeheads
(
Major Bros
),
Jesse
&
Festus
are all proper teams. All 4 since entering the company have had joint tag music, 3 have team names and one did previously, 3 of the 4 have matching ring attire, if in singles matches all are accompanied by the other partner.
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I totally forgot about Deuce/ Domino and the Highlanders as I never remember to see them. The edgeheads up til last sunday night I thought were just jobbing for dark matches. Thanks for reminding me. I long for the day of teams like DEMOLITION, LOD, Hart Foundation, where they had killer two man finishers, great gear, awesome mic skills. I just wish Demolition and LOD could of had a real fued rather then LOD just enterfearing in the Demoltion/Hart Foundation 2 out of 3 falls match costing them the title. Thats the good stuff. I think the 80's had the best tag teams.
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Quote from: More Cowbell on December 24, 2007, 01:38:10 PM
I just wish Demolition and LOD could of had a real fued rather then LOD just enterfearing in the Demoltion/Hart Foundation 2 out of 3 falls match costing them the title.
Thats the good stuff. I think the 80's had the best tag teams
.
Yeah they should of got a proper feud, thing is though word was
Demolition
were created cos
Vince
couldn't get
LOD
so when he finally did he disbanded
Demolition
thinking,
"Hey I've got the real thing now..."
. Only time they had a match on
PPV
was at a
Survivor Series
it was
Mr. Perfect
and
Demolition
vs
Ultimate Warrior
,
Texas Tornado
and
LOD
. I remember though in those days they had problems/issues with making stars do the job they'd rather cheapean eliminations to protect them, so they had
Ax
pinned first I think then
Smash
,
Crush
,
Hawk
,
Animal
all got
Double DQ'd
...
Incidently, on the subject of the two teams, I have ALWAYS been a bigger
Demolition
fan. As for the
80s
having the best tag teams, that is so true, the plethor of teams was amazing. Heck the first 2
Survivor Series
had
HUGE Tag Elimination Matches
. The second one (I think) had a classic which went nearly
40 minutes
and is one of the best shows of tag team wrestling ever, I think it had
Rougeaus
,
Rockers
,
Brain Busters
,
Demolition
,
Powers of Pain
and loads more! That reminds me of 2 other teams that had a feud and plenty of matches but never had the big PPV pay off match.....
Brain Busters
&
The Rockers
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I think its sad to this day the rockers never really officially had the WWF straps, Hell Yeah Demolition was so much more then a rip off of LOD, they had better mic and heal pop then anyone. Their entrance music woke up stadiums. The repo man and hawaiin crush were terrible singles roles and shows how WWF should of kept Demolition together. How about worst Tag Team Champions in History? I would say the Godwins or M.o.M I never though either had good Pop as a face team and I thought the Godwins were terrible on Mic and wrestling, simply rather playing the hillbilly role well, while Mo from MOM seemed to always bee a very weak link to the team.
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I used to love Tag Teams that had loads of moves together.
For me the best two tagteams in the world for entertainment are MotorCity Machineguns (Shelley & Sabin) and The Briscoes.
I would really like to see a proper Tag Team Divison again with the prestige of the titles at IC and US level.
Anyway i got another question:
How would people like to see this Ric Flair Retirement angle End?
I'm assuming he'll end at Wrestlemania
But should it be against a established star or should wwe give someone else the rub for beating him.
Like on one hand a Ric Flair vs Undertaker match would be cool (Career vs Streak), but i think the match itself wouldn't be that great.
Or Maybe another Orton Legend Killer.
it could also do wonders for the other / younger wrestlers career. People like MVP, Kennedy, Carlito, Lashley and even Jericho could really use the accolade of ending a greats career.
I'll be interested in what you guys have to say
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Quote from: Gnrfan on December 25, 2007, 11:45:05 PM
I used to love Tag Teams that had loads of moves together.
For me the best two tagteams in the world for entertainment are MotorCity Machineguns (Shelley & Sabin) and The Briscoes.
I would really like to see a proper Tag Team Divison again with the prestige of the titles at IC and US level.
Anyway i got another question:
How would people like to see this Ric Flair Retirement angle End?
I'm assuming he'll end at Wrestlemania
But should it be against a established star or should wwe give someone else the rub for beating him.
Like on one hand a Ric Flair vs Undertaker match would be cool (Career vs Streak), but i think the match itself wouldn't be that great.
Or Maybe another Orton Legend Killer.
it could also do wonders for the other / younger wrestlers career. People like MVP, Kennedy, Carlito, Lashley and even Jericho could really use the accolade of ending a greats career.
I'll be interested in what you guys have to say
I personally would have loved it if they could have gotten Sting to do the one off match at WM.............defeat him that way. I don't think Steamboat can wrestle anymore, but that would have been another way to go. Too bad Dusty Rhodes can't have a go at him either. But those were the most meaningful opponents of his life.......the ones with the best matches. I would hate if Hogan came in and snuffed him........or Orton too. Orton doesn't deserve to end the career of a legend like Flair. Regardless, Flair will be back.....he'll do one off matches here and there. He's one of the ones like Funk who won't stop until they drop dead in the ring.
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sorry to get off what ever subject is on deck at the moment but does anyone know what happened to Sandman, Sabu, Marcus Corvon, and if RVD is ever going to make a permanant return to RAW or ECW?
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Quote from: CHINESE DEMOCRACY eventually on December 26, 2007, 01:42:54 AM
sorry to get off what ever subject is on deck at the moment but does anyone know what happened to Sandman, Sabu, Marcus Corvon, and if RVD is ever going to make a permanant return to RAW or ECW?
Thank you, nerds of Wrestling
Sandman
- Indies?
Sabu
-
TNA
(Eventually)
Marcus Cor Von
-
WWE
or
TNA
once he sorts out his family problems, someone died (I think his sister) and he's busy bringing up her kids.
Rob Van Dam
- Like
Jericho
a few years ago he's sick of the business but he's also declared loyalty to
WWE
, said they left on good terms, and when he does return to the business he'll return to them, I'd say it won't be 'til late
2008
at the earliest though.
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How would people like to see this Ric Flair Retirement angle End?
I'm assuming he'll end at Wrestlemania
But should it be against a established star or should wwe give someone else the rub for beating him.
Like on one hand a Ric Flair vs Undertaker match would be cool (Career vs Streak), but i think the match itself wouldn't be that great.
Or Maybe another Orton Legend Killer.
it could also do wonders for the other / younger wrestlers career. People like MVP, Kennedy, Carlito, Lashley and even Jericho could really use the accolade of ending a greats career.
I'll be interested in what you guys have to say
For it to be truly big it needs to be against someone established, giving the rub would be good but at that same time the match would not have the same big time feel.? He's battled
'Taker
at
'Mania
, he's feuded with
Vince
, he's had Wars with
Triple H
,
Randy Orton
,
Shawn Michaels
, all in the past
3-4 years
, for something like this he would be good to go real old school, yet the match needs to be watchable.
For this I have only
2
names to suggest.? Firstly I'll say
Dusty Rhodes
is too far out of shape now,
Steamboat
I think is unable to wrestle and
Hogan
would be a bad choice because infront of a
WWE
crowd he'd still get the support over
Flair
.
I would have to say it should be
Sting
or
Randy Savage
.? Unfortunately the latter is on awful terms with the company and
Sting
has issues with the product and the schedule.? Well for
Sting
they could offer him a lot for a one off match and because of the cause,
Flair
's retirement and all, I think he'd be open to the idea, and the dude can still go in the ring, it wouldn't be like rolling out on old veteran who can barely walk.? These guys have such great history, they could air highlights of the old battles and promos and really build up heat for the match, get
Arn Anderson
and others to pop up, they could do it real well.? As for
Savage
, if they got him, which I can't see, to be honest I don't know what shape he's in, last I heard it wasn't too good.? One thing about
Savage
is he could always go in the ring, was a notorious perfectionist rehearsing and going through the match move by move before hand, the promo's and match could be real good to, although hell I'd rather have him face
Hogan
.? Yeah this is my
Wrestlemania Card
:
WWE Title:
Randy Orton
vs
Triple H
vs
Batista
World Title:
Undertaker
vs
Edge
Retirement Match:
Sting
vs
Ric Flair
Hulk Hogan
vs
Randy Savage
Shawn Michaels
vs
MVP
MITB
:
Ken Kennedy
vs
Jeff Hardy
vs
Shelton Benjamin
vs
Paul London
vs
Rey Mysterio
vs
Brian Kendrick
Morrison
/
Miz
vs
Deuce N' Domino
vs
The Red Neck Wrecking Crew
vs
The Highlanders
vs
Carlito
/
Marella
vs
Rhodes
/
Holly
vs
Moore
/
Yang
vs
Duggan
/
Crazy
(
Tag Battle Royal for Unified Tag Titles
)
IC Title
-
Fatal 4 Way
JBL
vs
DH Smith
vs
Umaga
vs
Elijah Burke
US Title
-
Fatal 4 Way
Matt Hardy
vs
CM Punk
vs
Chris Jericho
vs
Finlay
Women's Title
-
Beth Phoenix
vs
Victoria
vs
Mickie James
vs
Molly Holly
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Quote from: Hammy on December 26, 2007, 06:11:49 AM
Quote from: CHINESE DEMOCRACY eventually on December 26, 2007, 01:42:54 AM
sorry to get off what ever subject is on deck at the moment but does anyone know what happened to Sandman, Sabu, Marcus Corvon, and if RVD is ever going to make a permanant return to RAW or ECW?
Thank you, nerds of Wrestling
Sandman
- Indies?
Sabu
-
TNA
(Eventually)
Marcus Cor Von
-
WWE
or
TNA
once he sorts out his family problems, someone died (I think his sister) and he's busy bringing up her kids.
Rob Van Dam
- Like
Jericho
a few years ago he's sick of the business but he's also declared loyalty to
WWE
, said they left on good terms, and when he does return to the business he'll return to them, I'd say it won't be 'til late
2008
at the earliest though.
Quote from: Gnrfan on December 25, 2007, 11:45:05 PM
How would people like to see this Ric Flair Retirement angle End?
I'm assuming he'll end at Wrestlemania
But should it be against a established star or should wwe give someone else the rub for beating him.
Like on one hand a Ric Flair vs Undertaker match would be cool (Career vs Streak), but i think the match itself wouldn't be that great.
Or Maybe another Orton Legend Killer.
it could also do wonders for the other / younger wrestlers career. People like MVP, Kennedy, Carlito, Lashley and even Jericho could really use the accolade of ending a greats career.
I'll be interested in what you guys have to say
For it to be truly big it needs to be against someone established, giving the rub would be good but at that same time the match would not have the same big time feel.? He's battled
'Taker
at
'Mania
, he's feuded with
Vince
, he's had Wars with
Triple H
,
Randy Orton
,
Shawn Michaels
, all in the past
3-4 years
, for something like this he would be good to go real old school, yet the match needs to be watchable.
For this I have only
2
names to suggest.? Firstly I'll say
Dusty Rhodes
is too far out of shape now,
Steamboat
I think is unable to wrestle and
Hogan
would be a bad choice because infront of a
WWE
crowd he'd still get the support over
Flair
.
I would have to say it should be
Sting
or
Randy Savage
.? Unfortunately the latter is on awful terms with the company and
Sting
has issues with the product and the schedule.? Well for
Sting
they could offer him a lot for a one off match and because of the cause,
Flair
's retirement and all, I think he'd be open to the idea, and the dude can still go in the ring, it wouldn't be like rolling out on old veteran who can barely walk.? These guys have such great history, they could air highlights of the old battles and promos and really build up heat for the match, get
Arn Anderson
and others to pop up, they could do it real well.? As for
Savage
, if they got him, which I can't see, to be honest I don't know what shape he's in, last I heard it wasn't too good.? One thing about
Savage
is he could always go in the ring, was a notorious perfectionist rehearsing and going through the match move by move before hand, the promo's and match could be real good to, although hell I'd rather have him face
Hogan
.? Yeah this is my
Wrestlemania Card
:
WWE Title:
Randy Orton
vs
Triple H
vs
Batista
World Title:
Undertaker
vs
Edge
Retirement Match:
Sting
vs
Ric Flair
Hulk Hogan
vs
Randy Savage
Shawn Michaels
vs
MVP
MITB
:
Ken Kennedy
vs
Jeff Hardy
vs
Shelton Benjamin
vs
Paul London
vs
Rey Mysterio
vs
Brian Kendrick
Morrison
/
Miz
vs
Deuce N' Domino
vs
The Red Neck Wrecking Crew
vs
The Highlanders
vs
Carlito
/
Marella
vs
Rhodes
/
Holly
vs
Moore
/
Yang
vs
Duggan
/
Crazy
(
Tag Battle Royal for Unified Tag Titles
)
IC Title
-
Fatal 4 Way
JBL
vs
DH Smith
vs
Umaga
vs
Elijah Burke
US Title
-
Fatal 4 Way
Matt Hardy
vs
CM Punk
vs
Chris Jericho
vs
Finlay
Women's Title
-
Beth Phoenix
vs
Victoria
vs
Mickie James
vs
Molly Holly
.
Interesting Take.
I think the backup will be
Vince vs Flair
but i really hope that doesn't happen.
Personally i wouldn't want to see Takers streak on the line for the title again . . . too similar too last year. Thats why i would have
Flair vs Taker
. I like the prospect of
Career vs Streak
and personally i think would do more for the Mystique of Takers Streak than another Title win, especially against
Edge
who himself has never been Pinned or made to Submit at Mania. I think that could be saved for a future Mania.
I would find it hard to take as a WWE fan (despite their history) if
Sting
(who has never competed in WWF/WWE) would come in for one match to end a Hall Of Famers Career. But maybe thats just me.
As for Mania i am hoping to see different faces higher up the card this year.
HHH, HBK, Batista, Edge & Undertaker
have been sniffing round the Mania main event for years. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be involved but i'm hoping to see some fresh in their with them.
I'm Still hoping one year that we can have either Both Hardys challenging for the World Titles i.e.
Jeff hardy vs Orton & Edge vs Matt Hardy
(I think people would love to see Matt Beat Edge at Mania for the title) coz i think they both deserve a chance at the top even if it is breif and doesn't work. You could just have the greatest Build up ever with both brothers helping each other in the weeks running up to Mania. And How Great would a
Hardy vs Hardy
Ladder match for the World Title be down the road.
The other thing now is the only way
HHH
should be in the Main Event is if he wins the Royal Rumble. Otherwise it looks odd that he lost a No 1 contender match and then suddenly appears 3 months later in The Main Event.
Here are some matches i'd like to see at Mania (i know most won't happen just what i'd like):
WWE Title:
Randy Orton vs Triple H vs Jeff Hardy
World Title:
Matt Hardy vs Edge
Retirement / Streak Match:
Undertaker vs Ric Flair
MITB:
Ken Kennedy vs Y2J vs Shelton Benjamin vs HBK vs Rey Mysterio vs MVP
One More Time -
'Stone Cold' Steve Austin vs The Rock
Handicap Match:
Henry & Big Daddy V vs Batista
(I know he's down the card but not really a fan, in reality he'll be in a title match)
No Titles, Just Acclaim of Best Tag Team In WWE
Morrison/Miz vs Deuce N' Domino vs The Red Neck Wrecking Crew vs Rhodes/Holly vs London & Kendrick vs Edgeheads
IC Title - Fatal 4 Way
JBL vs DH Smith vs Umaga vs Lashley
ECW Title -
CM Punk vs Carlito
Bit Of Fun-
Finlay & Hornswoggle vs Vince and Shane
Special Ref:
John Cena
(I'm Assuming he won't be back for Mania)
Women's Title - Beth Phoenix vs Victoria vs Mickie James vs Molly Holly.
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Hogan Vs Savage will never happen. Both this old timers has WAY TO MUCH PRIDE to put the other over, SO if WWE can turn their hatred of macho aside and hogan could strap on the boots one more them It would end in a no contest as Macho already put Hogan over at WM 5 and if you remember his best selling, credically applauded rap albumn (which cowbell owns) he had a whole song calling out Hogan and what not calling him a chump, There isnt enough money to spend on Macho to get him to job. Hogan has gone mainstream and to be honest the next time he is working for Vince I would expect it to be on a WWE film which I can see in the future. For him to get back into the ring and job to macho Vince would have to give him enough money to make 4-5 Thunder in Paradise Sequel Movies, and still a little bit more to make a Prequal to Mr Nanny.
Besides me, does anyone else think Flair is going to loose before WM. I honestly can see him loosing before WM so at the awards show he is already recapping his career and not selling a match. unless that match at WM is gaurenteed to be his last match and he will walk away win or loose.
Also I dont think anyone like Jericho, JBL, or other main eventers will be going after US or IC gold, they have made the transition to main eventers and I cant see them getting giddy for a second tier title. Although I think JBL could own either title and easily carry it as long as Honky Tonk Man.
Sting would only show up to a WM match if he could end Vince's Career. I think when he dediced to work with TNA on his own terms made it clear he wasnt interested in wwe.
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Quote from: More Cowbell on December 26, 2007, 07:24:54 PM
Besides me, does anyone else think Flair is going to loose before WM. I honestly can see him loosing before WM so at the awards show he is already recapping his career and not selling a match. unless that match at WM is gaurenteed to be his last match and he will walk away win or loose.
Yeah i can. But i really hope not. He deserves one more Mania and personally i think its the way most wrestlers would want to go out. Fighting someone like Taker would put the match well up the card. and although the Match itself probally wouldn't be the greatest i think it will get buys and will have a bloody fantastic Atmosphere and a match like that evreyone would want to see live. Imagine after defeat he will surely give a speech . . just imagine!
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Also I dont think anyone like Jericho, JBL, or other main eventers will be going after US or IC gold, they have made the transition to main eventers and I cant see them getting giddy for a second tier title. Although I think JBL could own either title and easily carry it as long as Honky Tonk Man.
I'm not so sure. I think the wwe could do with giving the IC title a prestige boost and now Raw has so many top stars it would be a good opptunity to do that.
The US title personally has always been taken more seriously in recent years i mean MVP, Benoit (I am allowed to talk about him right), JBL, Kennedy and Lashley look alot better on paper than Santino, Carlito, Umaga and Shelton Benjamin.
I just think if top Level superstars such as Lashley, Y2J, JBL, HBK and Umaga were involved in the IC title picture it would allow 3 things to happen:
1. It would allow Young / fringe superstars to have feuds at World title i.e. like Jeff Hardy.
2. It would make the Tag Division stronger as more lower singles could form Tag Teams i.e. Santino and Carlito & Miz and Morrison
3. It would allow top superstars to be in a meaningful title feuds and would make for better PPV's coz more matches would have build up and history rather than being thrown together at the last minute
I just remember feuds like British Bulldog vs Bret Hart, The Rock vs Shamrock, Razor vs HBK and the 3 way feud between Angle, Jericho and Beniot and it makes me angry that people look down on the IC title coz there can only be 1 World Champion at a time on RAW and i think some of these so-called top superstars should be reminded what the IC title did for their careers and could possibly help them once again.
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Wrestling Observer newsletter has a new, list of scheduled DVDs for the year:
2/12 -- The Legacy of Stone Cold Steve Austin
3/25 -- Triple H: The King of Kings
5/6 -- Evolution of the Hardys
6/3 -- The Rock
7/8 -- Best of Starrcade
8/5 -- 20-disc SummerSlam Anthology
8/5 -- Life and Times of Mr. Perfect
11/4 -- Edge
11/18 -- Randy Savage: Macho Madness
12/9 -- Sting
Those are some awesome as hell DVDs. I'll be getting them all except for the
Summerslam
set, I've got most of those events through
Tagged Classics
,
88-99
at the moment.
Interesting that we have just been talking about the possibility of
Savage
and
Sting
showing up in
WWE
. Now with these sets they normally do promotion of sorts with the wrestlers, at the very least you would expect them to try and contact them and ask if they are interested. Unfortunately in
Savage
's case, I could see them doing a
DVD
like the
Ultimate Warrior
's
Self Destruction
one, the title
"Macho Madness"
makes you wonder whether they are going to make him out to be crazy and cover career lows such as his
CD
and him running out of
TNA
'cos
Hogan
showed up. As for
Sting
though, he's not with
TNA
now, he has no beef so to speak with
WWE
, and he's never done anything wrong for them to actually do a
DVD
on him in the
"Self Destruction"
vein. If they contacted him about a brief run, career
DVD
, giving him creative control like they did
Bret Hart
we could see some dream match-ups.
I still want to see a
Ted Dibiase
,
British Bulldogs
and
Demolition
DVDs
. With a
Demolition
one they could cover so much as well as their run they could follow their subsequent careers, All the
Crush
persona's, his time in
Kronik
,
Darsow
as
Repo Man
and
The Blacktop Bully
, with the library they own the great stuff they can keep making and releasing is seemingly endless, even in times when the product is poor, their
DVD
s are always top notch!
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instead of flair vs HHH on raw this quick... flair should have had tons of legends matches before the Wrestlemania curtain call to his career .. sorta what Conway was doing before...
one mo' final time and end it with Dusty vs Flair or Macho Man vs Flair
should have had Flair vs: ricky steamboat, barry windham, terry funk, hacksaw duggan (who must have some dirt on Vince to still be wrestling)
heenan as manager was the BEST ..
be fair to flair
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Quote from: jacko on December 30, 2007, 06:21:00 PM
instead of flair vs HHH on raw this quick... flair should have had tons of legends matches before the Wrestlemania curtain call to his career .. sorta what Conway was doing before...
one mo' final time and end it with Dusty vs Flair or Macho Man vs Flair
should have had Flair vs: ricky steamboat, barry windham, terry funk, hacksaw duggan (who must have some dirt on Vince to still be wrestling)
heenan as manager was the BEST ..
be fair to flair
... one of the best lines ever from wwe commentator
Flair was ALWAYS the Dirtiest player in the Game and he took NWA/WCW from people like Steamboat and Dusty. Dusty is in terrible shape and would give a terrible match. I say take fricken Dusty Son and split him from Hardcore and Have Dusty mentoring his son into a fued to take out flair's career for dear old dad. YOu could have flair whooping his son around for weeks until Dusty interfers and costs him his career in a dirty finish. Good push for the son, leaves it open with a dirty finish for flair to want revenge someday. Flair's got the push from the old timers in NWA to become what he was and flair should be pushing some new young talent, (anyone besides Orton)
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Quote from: More Cowbell on December 30, 2007, 10:43:12 PM
Quote from: jacko on December 30, 2007, 06:21:00 PM
instead of flair vs HHH on raw this quick... flair should have had tons of legends matches before the Wrestlemania curtain call to his career .. sorta what Conway was doing before...
one mo' final time and end it with Dusty vs Flair or Macho Man vs Flair
should have had Flair vs: ricky steamboat, barry windham, terry funk, hacksaw duggan (who must have some dirt on Vince to still be wrestling)
heenan as manager was the BEST ..
be fair to flair
... one of the best lines ever from wwe commentator
Flair was ALWAYS the Dirtiest player in the Game and he took NWA/WCW from people like Steamboat and Dusty.? Dusty is in terrible shape and would give a terrible match.? I say take fricken Dusty Son and split him from Hardcore and Have Dusty mentoring his son into a fued to take out flair's career for dear old dad. YOu could have flair whooping his son around for weeks until Dusty interfers and costs him his career in a dirty finish. Good push for the son, leaves it open with a dirty finish for flair to want revenge someday. Flair's got the push from the old timers in NWA to become what he was and flair should be pushing some new young talent, (anyone besides Orton)
Flair vs Cody "Bland" Rhodes? I wouldn't pay for that, hes the most generic wrestler in WWE and theres no way he would be able to pull of a heel turn like that
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