Why Bucket left; why Robin won't

[GNROSAS]

BH was the ace in Axl's new deck of cards. Without him the band's much much weaker. Noone will take GN'R seriously with the remaining two guitarists.?

I feel the same way... Bucketman was sth new. A persona in both music style and image.
It was sth new for the public... And of course he was the exact opposite of slash but at the same time
a really unique player on his own right.

Robin Solos remind me of slash and unfortunately from the live songs i heard Slash did the bluesy lead solos with more charisma and personality.

I really hope bucketman will be back for touring purposes when cd will be out.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

BH was the ace in Axl's new deck of cards. Without him the band's much much weaker. Noone will take GN'R seriously with the remaining two guitarists.?

Even without BH gnr still have better talent at guitar than 90% of the bands out there.? And it has been said that BHs parts are staying on the album, so that is all that matters. Its does not matter that BH isnt there to play live with them, if he is on the album that is what people are going to hear and judge this band on, not if BH is there live or not.

[mikegiuliana]

Saul, I'm not much interested in what these other "hired guns" have to say. They always say the same thing. All they're good for is to hype an album no one has heard. Someone made a good point that Buckethead could have kept doing side projects while still in the band, but he left anyway. That is amazing. There is definitely a reason for his departure that no one has heard yet. And Tommy saying 'good riddance' and he never liked him doesn't cut the mustard. Neither does Axl's statement about 'taking it to the next level'. When you've been working on an album for years, have one of the most innovative guitarists of our generation in your band, how is his departure gonna take it to the next level? The explanations for his departure are absurd.

exactly dude, this also shows the damn album wasn't even close to being done when march 2003 you are going to take a 5 year project to another level when you have an amazing different type of guitar player.. We don't know the story and the idea that no one seemed broken up by his leaving shows there was anger among them

(clintron)but he didnt!!

But you can't say he couldn't hack it because there was nothinng to hack.. We don't know why he left, could have been a now or never attitude.. he might have joined because he knew something was suppose to happen sooner.. You don't know what axl might have promised him by saying join it will be worth it, we'll tour for years you'll have this or that.. That tune could have changed.. You think a guy like zakk wylde would have stayed around waiting for that many years..?/ SOme people are perfectly happy to join but have no intensions of redoing parts or starting years after they were supposed to.. No one joins a band in 97-98 2000 only to not be playing 5-8 years later..

[Mikkamakka]

BH was the ace in Axl's new deck of cards. Without him the band's much much weaker. Noone will take GN'R seriously with the remaining two guitarists.?

Even without BH gnr still have better talent at guitar than 90% of the bands out there.? And it has been said that BHs parts are staying on the album, so that is all that matters. Its does not matter that BH isnt there to play live with them, if he is on the album that is what people are going to hear and judge this band on, not if BH is there live or not.

I disagree with your first sentence, and since GN'R is (was?) a guitar band, it's really important to have quality players. And when i say quality players, I mean that this band must have a lead guitarist of the world-class cathegory. Now it doesn't. Unfortunately.

I really like the idea of BH'S parts staying on the album. But it ain't sure since Axl can change his mind every day... and on the other hand: a lot of people will criticize Axl for rleasing an album with long-time gone musicians (I think if BH's parts stay than we can hear some Tobias and Freese stuff there, too). And to tell the truth, this critic'd be legit: if you spend 10+ years workin' on an album then you should be able to release 20-30 songs with your current line-up.

3. If the band tours (which I really doubt even if there is an album), then who will play BH's solos? Chris Pittman from his keyboard? Or Robin Finck on his way? 

[killingvector]

BH was the ace in Axl's new deck of cards. Without him the band's much much weaker. Noone will take GN'R seriously with the remaining two guitarists. 

Even without BH gnr still have better talent at guitar than 90% of the bands out there.  And it has been said that BHs parts are staying on the album, so that is all that matters. Its does not matter that BH isnt there to play live with them, if he is on the album that is what people are going to hear and judge this band on, not if BH is there live or not.

I disagree with your first sentence, and since GN'R is (was?) a guitar band, it's really important to have quality players. And when i say quality players, I mean that this band must have a lead guitarist of the world-class cathegory. Now it doesn't. Unfortunately.

I really like the idea of BH'S parts staying on the album. But it ain't sure since Axl can change his mind every day... and on the other hand: a lot of people will criticize Axl for rleasing an album with long-time gone musicians (I think if BH's parts stay than we can hear some Tobias and Freese stuff there, too). And to tell the truth, this critic'd be legit: if you spend 10+ years workin' on an album then you should be able to release 20-30 songs with your current line-up.

3. If the band tours (which I really doubt even if there is an album), then who will play BH's solos? Chris Pittman from his keyboard? Or Robin Finck on his way? 

They need someone else. Finck and Fortus aren't enough.

[mikegiuliana]

BH was the ace in Axl's new deck of cards. Without him the band's much much weaker. Noone will take GN'R seriously with the remaining two guitarists.?

Even without BH gnr still have better talent at guitar than 90% of the bands out there.? And it has been said that BHs parts are staying on the album, so that is all that matters. Its does not matter that BH isnt there to play live with them, if he is on the album that is what people are going to hear and judge this band on, not if BH is there live or not.

They need someone else. Finck and Fortus aren't enough.

I disagree with your first sentence, and since GN'R is (was?) a guitar band, it's really important to have quality players. And when i say quality players, I mean that this band must have a lead guitarist of the world-class cathegory. Now it doesn't. Unfortunately.

I really like the idea of BH'S parts staying on the album. But it ain't sure since Axl can change his mind every day... and on the other hand: a lot of people will criticize Axl for rleasing an album with long-time gone musicians (I think if BH's parts stay than we can hear some Tobias and Freese stuff there, too). And to tell the truth, this critic'd be legit: if you spend 10+ years workin' on an album then you should be able to release 20-30 songs with your current line-up.

3. If the band tours (which I really doubt even if there is an album), then who will play BH's solos? Chris Pittman from his keyboard? Or Robin Finck on his way??

all that matters is that the music on the album is better live... Most bands out there give a way better live performance then their studio albums because you can add to the song extend a solo or whatever.. Now fi you get an album with speed playing from bh then I would expect to hear the same thing live..

I mean I have seen metallica a few times years ago and I thought their first albums kill em all, ride the lightning, master of puppets, and justice for all, then black were awesome studio albums adn they topped them live.. COuld they do this happen with finck n fortus alone?? There had to be some reason for a third player

[younggunner]

Robin has been with GNr since the start of this resurrection. He has invested yrs of his time into this. Althopugh many of you fail to realize this but Robin actually is part of this project and whole scheme. As is Tommy. They have been here since day 1 of the new band.

As for Bucket...it sux. I wish he never left. He is an amzing player and performer and gave the band a cool image. He eliminated the whole Slash thing because instead of talking about Slash, the haters would talk about how much of a freak he is. And in the long run thats good becuase then Bucket might blow them away with the music. ?

I just hope Axl leaves most of Buckets parts on the album.
And I hope once the ball gets rolling Axl and Brain make a few phone calls and Bucket see the big ball coming down the hill and he decides to come back in before he gets run over by the monstrosity

[ppbebe]

Robin and Richard might be insufficient to cover for BH but so are BH and Richard to cover for Robin.

Well, when the departure of one of the most proficient guitarists of our generation could surprisingly mean the opportunity to take their recording that one extra step further for the remainder, then I guess that was simply meant to allow them to take it.

Heaven knows chicken or egg. 

[dave-gnfnr2k]

BH was the ace in Axl's new deck of cards. Without him the band's much much weaker. Noone will take GN'R seriously with the remaining two guitarists.?

Even without BH gnr still have better talent at guitar than 90% of the bands out there.? And it has been said that BHs parts are staying on the album, so that is all that matters. Its does not matter that BH isnt there to play live with them, if he is on the album that is what people are going to hear and judge this band on, not if BH is there live or not.

I disagree with your first sentence, and since GN'R is (was?) a guitar band, it's really important to have quality players. And when i say quality players, I mean that this band must have a lead guitarist of the world-class cathegory. Now it doesn't. Unfortunately.

I really like the idea of BH'S parts staying on the album. But it ain't sure since Axl can change his mind every day... and on the other hand: a lot of people will criticize Axl for rleasing an album with long-time gone musicians (I think if BH's parts stay than we can hear some Tobias and Freese stuff there, too). And to tell the truth, this critic'd be legit: if you spend 10+ years workin' on an album then you should be able to release 20-30 songs with your current line-up.

3. If the band tours (which I really doubt even if there is an album), then who will play BH's solos? Chris Pittman from his keyboard? Or Robin Finck on his way??

They need someone else. Finck and Fortus aren't enough.

Thus is why I always said they need a shredder and need a 3rd guitiarst. People love to claim they dont need a 3rd one but they do for BHs part.

[HoldenCaulfield]

GNR (minus Axl) could all go off and form their own band if they wanted. They're all talented enough, they don't HAVE to have Axl. Bucket left because he wants to be a solo artist. He wasn't used to someone of Axl's stature sharing the limelight...

[mikegiuliana]

GNR (minus Axl) could all go off and form their own band if they wanted. They're all talented enough, they don't HAVE to have Axl. Bucket left because he wants to be a solo artist. He wasn't used to someone of Axl's stature sharing the limelight...

yeah these guys all could get their own work no doubt about it ehy all have talent from what I hear and from their past resume but with all the time vested into this project (especially tommy n robin) it would be a complete waste to leave this late... Wha tthey could build up in the next 5 years could happen in a flash if axl ever gets his act together.. i'd wait too, gnr is a permanet vacation adn absolute freedom to do whatever.. Axl is in a rock and hard place, he has to let them roam free or he might lose them then have all these guys on his album who are no longer associated with the gnr name.. Bucket probably didn't want to wait or he was tired of sharing lead with less calibur players.. Who knows why but the idea this band was 8 guys something needed to happen sooner

[jameslofton29]

Buckethead didn't leave because of "sharing the limelight" issues. I'm sure it was something much more serious than that.

[ClintroN]

who cares, we have Robin

[AxlFink]

bh left cause he's a dickhead and the others stay cause they want to be part of the greatest album of all time.

[blues rocker]

fuck it...it ain't comin' out

[Saul]

bh left cause he's a dickhead and the others stay cause they want to be part of the greatest album of all time.

brilliant and so insightful! now we know the answer! 

[mikegiuliana]

bh left cause he's a dickhead and the others stay cause they want to be part of the greatest album of all time.

brilliant and so insightful! now we know the answer!?

I think it was more balls then him being a dick.. he wasn't happy so instead of being one of axl's lap dogs he just said fuck this take your shit shove it up your ass and I'm out to go where things happen..  No one knows what axl promised him or why he left but this wait can't help anything.. The band had three guitar players who knows how much bh did or didn't..?

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

i think ya gotta remember that he didn't LEAVE as much as he actually refused to return

i really think he just did not want to go back and re-record something/anything...

Robin, on the other hand has apparently come back into the studio xxx amount of times when asked

Buckethead was free - as all the other guys apparently are - to pursue solo work

and I don't think it was a case of him being impatient about getting on with the 'Guns thing'...
I think he was just used to doing his thing, his way - and not having to answer to someone else as far as being told he had to come and re-record something cuz someone thought a note was off/wrong.

This doesn't make him a dick.... although if he made a promise (via contractual agreement) to be bound to x, y, or z terms and then found he didn't actually want to go through with it / live up to it / be told he had to do x, y, or z... then anyone can certainly feel dissapointed with that decision.

But hey, if the guy didn't want to be there in the capacity which he was requested to be...
who wants to force a guy to perform?   If his heart was no longer in it - then it wasn't going to work - contract or no contract.

We're not talking about a contract to produce 'widgets'....
we're talking about someone's personal artistic creation that they may not have been willing to compromise.

[Saul]

i think ya gotta remember that he didn't LEAVE as much as he actually refused to return

i really think he just did not want to go back and re-record something/anything...

Robin, on the other hand has apparently come back into the studio xxx amount of times when asked

Buckethead was free - as all the other guys apparently are - to pursue solo work

and I don't think it was a case of him being impatient about getting on with the 'Guns thing'...
I think he was just used to doing his thing, his way - and not having to answer to someone else as far as being told he had to come and re-record something cuz someone thought a note was off/wrong.

This doesn't make him a dick.... although if he made a promise (via contractual agreement) to be bound to x, y, or z terms and then found he didn't actually want to go through with it / live up to it / be told he had to do x, y, or z... then anyone can certainly feel dissapointed with that decision.

But hey, if the guy didn't want to be there in the capacity which he was requested to be...
who wants to force a guy to perform?   If his heart was no longer in it - then it wasn't going to work - contract or no contract.

We're not talking about a contract to produce 'widgets'....
we're talking about someone's personal artistic creation that they may not have been willing to compromise.

Thats a whole lot of speculation.

Like all of our posts I guess. 

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

not too much of it is speculation though...

i really do think that Buckethead did not come back to GN'R because he just didn't like the way Axl/GN'R operated...

the recording process taking too long...
the bad touring experience with the 2 riot shows...
and the Detroit incident...

and to that i specifically speculate that he he did not want to record/re-record anymore for CD

'tis a shame though...

GN'R has had such bad luck

but so long as Axl hasn't given up...

(nor Dizzy, Tommy, Robin or Richard)   

then I believe they will overcome all to succeed