Why Bucket left; why Robin won't

[W 23 AXL II]

im not stating anything new, just bored.

Buckethead, IMO, left b/c he CAN make money and have a real career w/o Axl's help and the name GnR


Robin, Fortus, Dizzy etc., IMO, cannot leave (even though they'd probably LOVE to tell Axl to go fuck himself) b/c they'd have ZERO career options (trent doesn't want robin anymore). im sure the idea of playing shitty clubs around the world doesn't sound so great to the rest of them, so they're just waiting n waiting, hoping Axl releases HIS album so they can tour the world and make the $ that will set up the rest of their lives (cuz we all know there wont be another album, another 15 yrs to make a 2nd CD wouldn't happen)

[mikegiuliana]

I jus think bh left because he was growing impatient, he might have been able to see that nothing was happening, they did shows from 2000-2002 and he saw it was 2003 and the album or something beside maybe rio was in sight,, I think he may have also had a bef with axl in redoing parts being he is such a talented player ,and having to share guitar duties with two other guys.... I think they would have been better off making bh lead and let one of the others be rythm... You know you don't get a guy like dimebag or joe pery and make them second...

I don't think the money is the main thing.. I am sure they all could get with some band and make a decent living, just not a gnr hyped money.. I do beliveif this was some lesser project without a big established following these guys would have all left by now.. They have spent to much time waiting and creating to just fuck themselves over..

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Robin could have left to join NIN but he said no. Also Robin wrote much more on the new album than BH did thus Robin wants to see this through.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

for all we know (which we don't know much) Buckethead left because he thought he was done recording...
and Axl thought not.

if that were the case, and we have reason to believe there was a lot of recording - changing - scrapping - re-recording going on - then it would seem that those who remained through that were 'okay' with that process.

[Hammy]

Also Robin wrote much more on the new album than BH did thus Robin wants to see this through.

He did? Did he or someone say this in an interview? Since we don't have the album how do you know who wrote how much on it?

[ppbebe]

Well Robin's left once already. So it was BH's go?

(trent doesn't want robin anymore)

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=99bb17df14604ff2969ea4fe844b7821&topic=20120.0

Need to distinguish imagination from fact.

[ClintroN]

Buckethead left 'cause he couldnt hack it!!

All the others know how to rock!!!

[mikegiuliana]

Buckethead left 'cause he couldnt hack it!!

All the others know how to rock!!!

yeah that's why.. Please when in gnr there's nothing to hack, it's an endless vacation.. he could play side gigs or his own work and still be in the band

[Saul]

Also Robin wrote much more on the new album than BH did thus Robin wants to see this through.

He did? Did he or someone say this in an interview? Since we don't have the album how do you know who wrote how much on it?

No. Dave just thinks he knows it all. 

To speculate that Robin "wrote more" then Buckethead on an album we havent even heard yet is just dumb. 

[ClintroN]

he could play side gigs or his own work and still be in the band

but he didnt!!

[jameslofton29]

I think Buckethead seen something in the absurdity of the CD situation, so he left. It will be interesting to see if he issues a press release once the gag order expires.

[Saul]

I think Buckethead seen something in the absurdity of the CD situation, so he left. It will be interesting to see if he issues a press release once the gag order expires.

I dont think he will. Herbie might say something , but even that would surprise me. I think Buckethead will totally wash his hands of the GNR experience if something dramatic doesnt happen that brings him back to the band. Maybe Brain might say something about or even the other GNR members once they are out doing press for the album. I'm pretty sure they will be asked about Bucket and what happened.

[jameslofton29]

Saul, I'm not much interested in what these other "hired guns" have to say. They always say the same thing. All they're good for is to hype an album no one has heard. Someone made a good point that Buckethead could have kept doing side projects while still in the band, but he left anyway. That is amazing. There is definitely a reason for his departure that no one has heard yet. And Tommy saying 'good riddance' and he never liked him doesn't cut the mustard. Neither does Axl's statement about 'taking it to the next level'. When you've been working on an album for years, have one of the most innovative guitarists of our generation in your band, how is his departure gonna take it to the next level? The explanations for his departure are absurd.

[anarchy]

Buckethead left because he's mad.

Robin won't leave because he's awesome.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Also Robin wrote much more on the new album than BH did thus Robin wants to see this through.

He did? Did he or someone say this in an interview? Since we don't have the album how do you know who wrote how much on it?

No. Dave just thinks he knows it all.?

To speculate that Robin "wrote more" then Buckethead on an album we havent even heard yet is just dumb.?

Considering robin has been with Axl, tommy, and dizzy from the beginning of this new gnr, one would think Robin wrote most of the guitar parts on CD, more than BH. Its called common sense.  Also, from hearing and watching the  band play the new songs, Robin played much more than BH did, yet again common sense would say robin wrote more than BH.

[killingvector]

Saul, I'm not much interested in what these other "hired guns" have to say. They always say the same thing. All they're good for is to hype an album no one has heard. Someone made a good point that Buckethead could have kept doing side projects while still in the band, but he left anyway. That is amazing. There is definitely a reason for his departure that no one has heard yet. And Tommy saying 'good riddance' and he never liked him doesn't cut the mustard. Neither does Axl's statement about 'taking it to the next level'. When you've been working on an album for years, have one of the most innovative guitarists of our generation in your band, how is his departure gonna take it to the next level? The explanations for his departure are absurd.

These 'side projects' actually require a substantial commitment of time and energy. Bucket may have felt that his choice of project as well as his friendships were being compromised by effectively remaining on call for Axl. Last summer, Bucket toured with Giant Robot across the US, finished a studio album with Les Claypool and went on a four month tour. I doubt he could have committed to C2B3 if there was a chance Axl could recall him at any time. Bucket split because he reached a point where he could not shelve larger projects with his mates without any promise of when a return to GnR would occur.  I think there were also issues with some parts that needed to be redone; Axl's statement indicated that Bucket was needed back to do some parts but had not committed the time to do them. Maybe there was a miscommunication and/or disagreement with what completion meant.

I hope there is a chance that Bucket comes back when this is close. He deserves to stand up with Axl and the guys and take credit for his work.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

there was a miscommunication and/or disagreement with what completion meant.

That's what I was saying.  For the amount of material Buckthead puts out... he works quickly.  I'm not saying there is anything wrong with how he works - he's an amazing guitarist - what I'm thinking is that he does something and then well... considers it done and doesn't look to re-do stuff (all speculation, again based on the sheer amount of material he puts out).  I really do think that the just figured he was done and that he shouldn't have been called to re-do anything... and yes, that he should be 'free' to pursue other committments -- although I do recall management's comment that he still was 'under contract' when his departure was announced by his management.  But I figure he calculated the 'cost' of breaking that contract and found it to be worth his 'freedom'.    (ps:  I'm don't mean cost in a purely monetary sense)

[jameslofton29]

Vecor, I see what you're sayin, and I hope you're right. I hope he comes back too. But I seriously doubt it. Him leaving was extremely bad news for CD. I've always thought there was some other reason for him leaving, possibly very little progress in the making of CD. If there was alot of real songs already completed, or if there was a possible album release in the future, I dont think he would have left. And the way Axl makes people sign those gag orders is VERY strange. It makes no sense. Info used to leak about Illusions before they were released, and it didnt take away the mystery of the albums. I find it strange that not one credible person has said anything about these songs. Is it possible Axl is still just sitting on a bunch of instrumentals? Buckethead would have left only for a damn good reason. If there was "earth shattering" material, he wouldn't have flown the "coop".

[Mikkamakka]

BH was the ace in Axl's new deck of cards. Without him the band's much much weaker. Noone will take GN'R seriously with the remaining two guitarists. 

[nesquick]

BH was the ace in Axl's new deck of cards. Without him the band's much much weaker. Noone will take GN'R seriously with the remaining two guitarists.?

I think the exact opposite.