if vr did a orchestra type song

[mikegiuliana]

Are you asking because they're supposed to record a version of "You Got No Right" with a string section?





/jarmo

I didn't even know it then someone said they were... Scott being a little different I never knew what he might want.. I did want to see what people thought though... I heard ygnr was suppose to be a fourth single but never knew about the orchestra until after,,

[mikegiuliana]

the key point is they actually make new music. i was struck by this comment on old gnr: "and in the PROCESS the people who do like Estranged have lyrics and music to that song that will last a fukin lifetime. But if GNr never had any balls or only care about what peopel said they would never even have that." frankly, as i see it now, that statement can be applied in the reverse to the current-gnr. axl needs to grow balls and not worry about other people and release his damn album so that, regardless of whether it is a big hit or not, at least the music is out there so that people who like it have something to enjoy. as of now, we just have a couple crappy bootlegs that, imo, are average at best.

Exactly man, he is trying to make some ultimate album redoing music letting his mates ramble on about idiocy clueless to the siuation he lost a great player in BH all because he's streering the ship and has ultimate control.. Nobody introduces a band in 1999 a song then plays here n there from 2000-2002 only to let the guys in his band down by going away again...  they saw light and he covered the hole.. Gnr was ballsy years back, the afd era was the proof...

[younggunner]

VR (or rather, RCA, since they made the decision) ended contraband's run when they decided to pick dirty little thing over suckertrain blues for the third single. DLT is an alright song, but nothing special as a single. suckertrain blues wouldve been much better. IMO, superhuman wouldve been the best choice. YGNR also should have been a single. so that's 5 singles they couldve had. Instead the record label forced them to put out dirty little thing, which received no reaction and got nowhere.

Im surprised the record label just doesnt go out on stage and perform as well. I mean anything that VR doesnt do or happens is put on the label. How bout this veteran dangerous band grow some balls and tell the record label what they want to do.

also, in reading your points, i notice that you really alternate your points between saying "mainstream doesn't matter" versus something like "ac/dc was never mainstream".

you also mention "selling out".

imo, these points are irrelevant. all you need to ask yourself is this: is the music good?

ac/dc has had great music, even if it's all the same. other bands, such as gnr, were more diverse but also good. who cares about what image the band projects. as long as they make music i enjoy, i'm happy with them.

Im not trying to downplay what ACDC did. All I said was they werent as big as GNr because they didnt branch off of what they did. Thats not a bad thing at all. But being GNr delved into different things they were able to capture a bigger audience....

and I agree...is the music good...thats what it comes down too..

as i see it now, that statement can be applied in the reverse to the current-gnr. axl needs to grow balls and not worry about other people and release his damn album so that, regardless of whether it is a big hit or not, at least the music is out there so that people who like it have something to enjoy. as of now, we just have a couple crappy bootlegs that, imo, are average at best.

no it cant because we dont know the facts about whats taking so long. DO you know that Axl is holding cd back because hes affraid of what people might say? It could be true but it also might not be. What if he just doesnt want to release anything until hes "mentally" and maybe even physically ready to be out there in the spotlight...who knows...

velvet revolver was not some huge band that ruled 87-93 they were new with some known people.. Are you really going to compare that to the return of GUNS N ROSES the biggest band in the world a few years ago... Vr's debut track is nothing compared to ione of the biggest frontmen and gnr's return.. The commercials for the soundtrack was like new music from GNR.. To me that's news worthy and soemthing to get pumped about.. I don't know how you can't see the difference,.. people say gnr is one of the biggest bands ever, wouldn't any song after 6 years be something long awaited being your fan base is already huge,?? ?Either way they were both soundtrack songs..

Velvet Revolver had 3 members from that same band and a lead singer who has been at the top as well. What ?is there not to know? Did the public know who even played on OMG when it was released no less who was in gnr besides Axl and Dizzy?

Vr has alose done TONS ?more promotion then gnr has done

Of course it was anticipated but who said it was GNRS big comeback. Go read the OMG press release. It was for the movie because thats what it was for. Of course Axl had hopes of it being successful but he didnt bank GNRs comeback on that single. The godam album wasnt even completed in 99 so what were they gonna have a comeback with.use your head.

All im saying is you cant judge gnrs comeback until we hear that first single and album. If it fails...no excuses or ifs and or buts. That will be the comeback song. That single.

supposed to record a version of "You Got No Right" with a string section?

some1 contact steven adler because sorum might quit

Only 3 single, how many singles do most bands get out of a record, never mind a debut??

Because when VR were at the top of the charts and being praised by the people on this board when the going was good all we heard about was how they are as good as Audioslave, and other popular bands and how they were gonna break through and real rock is back. Now that the hype and promo has died down no1 cares about VR as much.

[younggunner]

Nobody introduces a band in 1999 a song then plays here n there from 2000-2002 only to let the guys in his band down by going away again...? they saw light and he covered the hole.. Gnr was ballsy years back, the afd era was the proof...

read what you just wrote and digest it. let it process. your answers are all there.

also go back and listen to the Axl/loder interview after the vmas....

how many times do you people have to be told this.

Just because Axl released a soundtrack song and did a tour doesnt mean the album was ready or the new era of gnr music was going to be presented.

Axl is taking his time with this. In the process he released a song and went on tour and played the old songs for 1 last time basically. The next time you see gnr will be for the new stuff. when that will be..who knows....but this idea that hes already tried to make a comeback is wrong imo.

You cant judge Axl and the new era of gnr until we get that first single from the album and then the album itself. Till then ...well....

as for the ballsy stuff...of course afd era was ballz. no1 is disputing that and no1 is proclaiming gnr today is about that. Do you hear Axl or any of the members proclaiming to be dangerous. In case you havnt noticed there have grown up and are wrapped up in making music that is meaningful to them and their lifestyles as it is today. Of course Axl could go back and write about sex and drugs. But thats not him today. Nor is he trying to pass that image of himself and his band off liek that.

Imo whats ballsy is his attitude of doings then when he wants to. Yea we as fans suffer for that but the guy is doing what he wants to do. The reward hopefully will be a brilliant album. If he was like his former mates he would have released 3 albums by now because of record company pressures. Thats not to say VR didnt want to release an album because they did. Point is they have 2 different goals in their careers.

[mikegiuliana]

Because when VR were at the top of the charts and being praised by the people on this board when the going was good all we heard about was how they are as good as Audioslave, and other popular bands and how they were gonna break through and real rock is back. Now that the hype and promo has died down no1 cares about VR as much.

Their album ran it's course.. when they were in the public view it sold well, later when they strictly ?toured and didn't really support their last single it died down big time,.. It happens to every band.. ?I still don't understand the killers on about a year in the top 15..
I hear the new audislave single all thet ime, it's a regular song nothing spectacular it just gets alot of airtime.. Vr was getting the 4am spot on vh1 with dlt along with MC's if I die tomorrow... The thing is we love who we love we like teh songs we like.. I like vr better then audioslave... Sales dying down doesn't make them less then audiolave..

Velvet Revolver had 3 members from that same band and a lead singer who has been at the top as well. What ?is there not to know? Did the public know who even played on OMG when it was released no less who was in

what they knew was it was a guns n roses song so people could almost guess who was on the album, do you think people follow who's in the band like us.. If someone says mike I have metallica tickets I kind of ?metallica.. For all people knew the band was one again, who knows.. Look how good greatest hits did and has done souly on the gnr name..?



yeah I mean who does a song for a soundtrack, then starts touring and calls it the chinese democracy world tour with no intensions of giving you an album.. yeah he said will we see it soon, you'll see it but I don't know if soon is the word..  he said that in aug of 2002, the tour didn't start until november 2002, it wasn't going to end until 2003, then he said they would tour on and off for 2-3 years like the illusions then talked about dropping albums .. So not soon could have meant six months from now it didn't have to mean several years away... You belive what you want ant, I belive what I do..  There's no reason to start something up for a few years slowly getting back in to only shut it down for a bunch of years.. Fine he can take his time with teh album that's his thing just don't talk about cd for the past 6 years and do a cd 2002 world tour close the vmas for nothing.. There's no logic to it but to get the already existing forum members excited for new music that we would have been excited for anyways..

[mikegiuliana]

Imo whats ballsy is his attitude of doings then when he wants to. Yea we as fans suffer for that but the guy is doing what he wants to do. The reward hopefully will be a brilliant album. If he was like his former mates he would have released 3 albums by now because of record company pressures. Thats not to say VR didnt want to release an album because they did. Point is they have 2 different goals in their careers.

god points but lets be serious axl wouldn't have that cash cow supplying his album without the gnr enterprise that ensures good sales.. it's like a somewhat sure bet, just sanctuary couldn't dump him because they would only lose money and pray for them to win it back in a lawsuit.. if this was just some side alx project he wouldn't have those funds to be endless with his album, he wouldn't have these patient artists waiting for him to come around he would have to do some promotion to get him out there,  and he wouldn't be closing the vmas with no album... The man is very talented the man is one of the best frontmen and my favorite singer ever, but he wouldn't have that iron fist and the ability to do waht he wants without the gnr name..

I am not trying to rush his work, I just like to hear albums and see people tour, to me that is everything in music, not to mention I would like to see axl perform while he' still young.. it's not like he was around forever then took a few years off to do this.. I hope it's done and coming out..

[AxlGunner]

The man is very talented the man is one of the best frontmen and my favorite singer ever, but he wouldn't have that iron fist and the ability to do waht he wants without the gnr name

very good point, and probably very true.

it explains why vr has had to do things differently (and has often had to listen to their label a lot more too). vr also probably got a very sweet $$ deal from RCA, but had to cede some power to the label to get it (just an opinion, i have no facts to back that up).

[younggunner]

Their album ran it's course.. when they were in the public view it sold well, later when they strictly ?toured and didn't really support their last single it died down big time,.. It happens to every band..

well if your on tour arent you really supporting the album?
all im saying is that after the initial hype it recieved from its 2 singles{which had public appeal} and its heavy promotion and tourning vr did great. Same with gnr. my test for new gnr will be how lkong will the material carry the album.

yeah he said will we see it soon, you'll see it but I don't know if soon is the word.. ?he said that in aug of 2002, the tour didn't start until november 2002, it wasn't going to end until 2003, then he said they would tour on and off for 2-3 years like the illusions then talked about dropping albums ..

he said well go back and do some MORE recording then start the american leg of the tour. He didnt say he'll finish the recording.

my guess is that they would do some recording before the tour, tour NA, which i believe would have ended in January, go back and finish the rest of the album and debut it at Rio and launch the world tour of Chinese Democracy.
But 2 things happened in that process....The tour eneded and Bucket quit. Hence the delays....

There's no reason to start something up for a few years slowly getting back in to only shut it down for a bunch of years..

why not. Maybe Axl new all along that he wasnt going to release the rcord anytime soon so instead of staying completely in the hills he came out and did a few things along the way.

[mikegiuliana]

just tell me something YG why say you have cd in 1999, why not wait unbtil it is done..? yes more recording, that  doesn't mean there was no way to finish it.. I seriously doubt rio 4 was going to be anything, why would BH wait until the album was finally going to come out and new gnr was going to tour to quit? Either way it is meaningless there's no album and no word..

[Smoking Guns]

I saw AudioSlave the other night on Leno or something and they sucked.  They are an awful live band.  They are the type of band that you will like less after seeing live, but there music rocks.  Where as VR may not have the best music always, but they are a very visual band and put on a much better show.  Chris Cornell isn't a good frontman.  I am so happy we have Scott over Cornell.  I don't think he can sing like he used to either, kind of like Axl.  Also the guitar player from AudioSlave sucks too.  All his songs sound the same.

[jimmythegent]

I saw AudioSlave the other night on Leno or something and they sucked.? They are an awful live band.? They are the type of band that you will like less after seeing live, but there music rocks.? Where as VR may not have the best music always, but they are a very visual band and put on a much better show.? Chris Cornell isn't a good frontman.? I am so happy we have Scott over Cornell.? I don't think he can sing like he used to either, kind of like Axl.? Also the guitar player from AudioSlave sucks too.? All his songs sound the same.

Gotta disagree whole heartedly here

Cornell is an amazing frontman not to mention a near peerless singer/songwriter

He is a rock god, hands down and commands more respect in the rock pantheon than Scott ever has or will

I saw Audioslave live in Wellington on their last tour and they were incredible - I think theyre stronger live than anything else as I have been disappointed with their recorded output (especially their latest effort)

[mikegiuliana]

I saw AudioSlave the other night on Leno or something and they sucked.? They are an awful live band.? They are the type of band that you will like less after seeing live, but there music rocks.? Where as VR may not have the best music always, but they are a very visual band and put on a much better show.? Chris Cornell isn't a good frontman.? I am so happy we have Scott over Cornell.? I don't think he can sing like he used to either, kind of like Axl.? Also the guitar player from AudioSlave sucks too.? All his songs sound the same.

Gotta disagree whole heartedly here

Cornell is an amazing frontman not to mention a near peerless singer/songwriter

He is a rock god, hands down and commands more respect in the rock pantheon than Scott ever has or will

I saw Audioslave live in Wellington on their last tour and they were incredible - I think theyre stronger live than anything else as I have been disappointed with their recorded output (especially their latest effort)

I've always loved chris from soundgarden days.. They have the semi ballady song that's pretty popular on the radio today and it is very average for such a powerfull combination of artists. I never understand how that new song has staying power..

[tomass74]

I think Chris has a good voice but it still bores the piss out of me. That is with Soundgarden, solo and Audioslave. I did liek some shit on Badmotorfinger though.

[hyperionmax2003]

Back on topic, if VR did an orchestra type song, it would suck.  As much as I love the band, I really don't think Scott has it in him.  If the lyrics to the song are as strange as most of Contraband, the general public won't buy into it and the song would sink faster than the DLT single has....

[Carlos_f_Rose]

they can do it as long as they dont try to copy anything else...

[jabba2]

They should only include an orchestra if Scott/ Matt or maybe Slash write all of the string sections/ other orcestra parts themselves.

There is nothing more cheesy then rock bands including a symphony, and having the bandmaster write music for them.

[Rob]

I doubt they'll ever do an orchestra type thing.  They seem to be doing everything in their power to not draw comparisions to GN'R.  A song like that would constantly be compared to November Rain. 

[tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr]

I think it would be hypocritical since all I hear out of Matt's mouth is that he hated doing that kind of stuff when he was in GN'R.

[Judge Dredd]

I saw AudioSlave the other night on Leno or something and they sucked.  They are an awful live band.  They are the type of band that you will like less after seeing live, but there music rocks.  Where as VR may not have the best music always, but they are a very visual band and put on a much better show.  Chris Cornell isn't a good frontman.  I am so happy we have Scott over Cornell.  I don't think he can sing like he used to either, kind of like Axl.  Also the guitar player from AudioSlave sucks too.  All his songs sound the same.

I saw Audioslave the other week, one of the best bands I have ever seen, and Chris Cornell is the best vocalist bar none of the last 15-20 years.

On topic, if VR want to chuck some orchestral stuff onto YGNR, fair play to them. But I doubt it's something they'll do for the new album, it's probably something they wanted to try and get it out of their system.

[Rob]

I think it would be hypocritical since all I hear out of Matt's mouth is that he hated doing that kind of stuff when he was in GN'R.

Yeah, in the Behind The Music Matt talks about his not liking Axl using piano in the songs.  How stupid is that?  Tons of great rock bands used lots of piano in their songs.  Aerosmith being a prime example.