if vr did a orchestra type song

[mikegiuliana]

Would you consider it selling out or copying gnr?? Being they left gnr are they allowed to compose such a song without getting bashed? I have no idea if it will ever happen, I ask since the first snakepit had dizzy on it and keyboards were definetly used other times.. It doesn't have to be a 8-9 minute song just the elements of instruments that they themselves don't normaly play..

[*Izzy*]

They are doing an orchestra type song.
They are doing an acoustic version of You Got No Right with a string section for they're next single

  Izzy?

[Dr. Blutarsky]

GNR was one of the first to do that with November Rain. Many have done it since then. I don`t think it would be selling out for VR. However, I think it would be uncharacteristic since VR touts itself as a pure rock band.

[mrlee]

orchestra just doesnt go with rock imo. The metallica album s&m is just lame.

[mikegiuliana]

GNR was one of the first to do that with November Rain. Many have done it since then. I don`t think it would be selling out for VR. However, I think it would be uncharacteristic since VR touts itself as a pure rock band.

well just look at dream on, home sweet home, or bed of roses they all happened before NR just not as extravegant.. I think axl once said home sweet home influenced the piano in NR or the type of song he wanted to do..?

They are doing an orchestra type song.
They are doing an acoustic version of You Got No Right with a string section for they're next single
[quote/]

Really, I only thought that the song might be the fourth single, is there a news link about this.. if it is true I rather just have the studio ygnr or an acoustic without the extra stuf..

[*Izzy*]

I read it on the VR board, I think it's true. We'll have to wait and see

  Izzy?

[DoubleTalkingJive]

I think if VR did anything with an orchestra, it would be open season on VR that they are coping GNR.

[mikegiuliana]

I think if VR did anything with an orchestra, it would be open season on VR that they are coping GNR.

yeah kind of sucks.. I think a big song or orchestra can be cool , just not in that direction with a lot of tunes...
A november rain or estranged size and type song is good in doses for me.. it's a very nice novelty for a change,,

[tomass74]

I think people here would say that crap. I personally think it would be retarded to say they were copying Gn'R though.. Countless rock bands have used strings and orchestras and November Rain was far from the first.

[mikegiuliana]

I think people here would say that crap. I personally think it would be retarded to say they were copying Gn'R though.. Countless rock bands have used strings and orchestras and November Rain was far from the first.

Well we all know that, it's just you would hear well matt was like what;'s with the piano, they weren't big fans of the big ballads or soemthing like that.. I think a rare track once in a while is cool, just don't become a different band

[tomass74]

Exactly, It's one thing for recording, but I doubt you will see them tour with all that shit... A one off live performance could be cool.

[younggunner]

Because VR have big mouths they have kinda pigeonholed their material into 1 kind of sound..."sleazy, dangerous, in your face " rock....thats all they talked about.

Plus if a piano and other stuff was brought in Mr cool behind drums might quit...because Im not so sure he signed up for that kind of stuff....

but lets be honest...some of Slash's greatest moments have come from those epic type songs....and look at his new band vr...the song that I feel Slash is Slash and the band actually kicks ass on is YGNR.

And if VR stick around for awhile, do you really want multiple album sof the same stuff? Look at this soundtrack song. SLither fucked an STP song and out came Come On, Come in or whatever the thing is called.

Not to make this another 1 of those threads but look at GNR...Old and I am assuming new as well....They have material that pleases everyone. Ypu cant corner them into a specific sound. They branch off and delve into all kinds of things. And if you didnt like that direction or sound they said fuck you! As long as you stay true to ur roots along the process I think every band should do that....otherwise you become.....boring

a real "dangerous" band is a band that talks with their music and does any type of music they please and not give a fuck

[mikegiuliana]

Plus if a piano and other stuff was brought in Mr cool behind drums might quit...because Im not so sure he signed up for that kind of stuff....

Like he didn't belive he was signing up for the afd gnr he and everyone knew not what axl was headed for?

but lets be honest...some of Slash's greatest moments have come from those epic type songs....and look at his new band vr...the song that I feel Slash is Slash and the band actually kicks ass on is YGNR.

That is true there's no doubting that, but he was awesome on alot of the hard rockers too, there are some gnr songs I only like the guitar parts..

Because VR have big mouths they have kinda pigeonholed their material into 1 kind of sound..."sleazy, dangerous, in your face " rock....thats all they talked about.

as far as forums -vr-gnr- go they have done that but the world doesn't care about these things.. Not everyone follows vr's every spoken word or interview like they were the gospel...
and change isn't always good when it goes towards riyad, silkworms and oh my god..

Vr's the type of band that will drop an album then tour a year or so, new gnr is the type that willl work on an album forever and never tour..

Not to make this another 1 of those threads but look at GNR...Old and I am assuming new as well....They have material that pleases everyone. You cant corner them into a specific sound. They branch off and delve into all kinds of things. As long as you stay true to ur roots along the process I think every band should do that....otherwise you become.....boring

there is no doubt that everything in gnr has something for everyone... They also have the baddest group on the planet having your mom and grandmother enjoying songs... I am never buying the fact that from afd they couldn't have done songs similar to that album without the illusions and still be huge.. YCBM was a big hit, just a song like NR brings in the chicks because it's a big ballad.. bands like ac/dc lasted the duration and then some of gnr as did maiden as did old metallica whos' first 4 albums were all hardcore... Vr needs to step it up a noch and stp songs defiently have some diference in them.. I can take a few LTA or ygnr type songs over taking the songs to another direction... Look how big estranged was, how grand how big the video was, how amazing the guitar playing was... It was seen as bloated overdone ending of the power ballads done back then that is why it failed and get's moched today...

[younggunner]

Like he didn't belive he was signing up for the afd gnr he and everyone knew not what axl was headed for?

You would have to ask him on that....I was just mocking him...Hel'' do anything he just has a big mouth as well...

That is true there's no doubting that, but he was awesome on alot of the hard rockers too, there are some gnr songs I only like the guitar parts..

Yep, but atleast he gave you a bevy of sounds and styles

Not everyone follows vr's every spoken word or interview like they were the gospel...

how come you dont use that theory on the other side of town?

but its not the point....im talking about vr and their fans...they would be selling out

Vr's the type of band that will drop an album then tour a year or so, new gnr is the type that willl work on an album forever and never tour..

Vr is the type of band that will drop an album and it will rock, Gnr is the type of band that will drop an album and rock the world....GNR turn heads.,..vr puts heads to sleep...

I am never buying the fact that from afd they couldn't have done songs similar to that album without the illusions and still be huge

your missing the point. Of course they could have done that but they didnt want to or have to. They didnt care about being huge. They cared about making music they wanted to make. Whether it was Its So easy 2 SIDHY...they did whatever the fuk they wanted. And thats why tehy were great. And if you didnt like it they gave u a big fuck u....

bands like ac/dc lasted the duration and then some of gnr as did maiden as did old metallica whos' first 4 albums were all hardcore...

ACDC was great for what they did...but they never branched off into the mainstream..

and look at mettalica today. Where the fuck have they gone?

Look how big estranged was, how grand how big the video was, how amazing the guitar playing was... It was seen as bloated overdone ending of the power ballads done back then that is why it failed and get's moched today...

again your missing the point. Plus your worried about what every1 else is saying. The video was bloated and the mainstream didt like Estranged. But does it stop GNr from being on the top of any countdown list in terms of greatness? hell fukin no...you know why?

because those same peopel who hate estranged or are too cool for it or simply doesnt mean anything to them have other gnr songs that fuk them up and can relate too...thats the greatness and my point...

and in the PROCESS the people who do like Estranged have lyrics and music to that song that will last a fukin lifetime. But if GNr never had any balls or only care about what peopel said they would never even have that

[mikegiuliana]

ACDC was great for what they did...but they never branched off into the mainstream..

back in black is only the 5th selling album ever so they were mainstream, they have about 8 or so songs on rotation with rock stations daily..

how come you dont use that theory on the other side of town?

? I know I say well axl probably changed his mind or something then people use his quotes for every little detail involving cd. The 18 tracks the b sides 2-3 albums or whatever else, the live your life quote and eevrything else.. You'd have to be more specific.. With vr I never viewed them as some dangerous band, the only danger is they are all drugs user adn you can fall off the wagon which would destroy the band and scott has fallen many times.. That is what is dangerous about them.. They were hyping themselves.. That'slike when tommy says the tracks are great or something is he going to sayd they are so so ,or they are average?? Of course not he wants to say it's all great..

Vr is the type of band that will drop an album and it will rock, Gnr is the type of band that will drop an album and rock the world....GNR turn heads.,..vr puts heads to sleep...

maybe old gnr, no one is speaking about the first single in nearly 6 years with oh my god, if that was zepllin's first song in 6 years people would be talking about it.. Maddy all be it a medley or piece of the tune it looped mtv and saw by millions yet that is never talked about just how axl looks weird or was out of breath.. When great bands everyone loves plays a new tune it should be talked about even if it was a clip.. Another thing kurt loder could have asked about being a gnr fan was the song..

and look at mettalica today. Where the fuck have they gone?

they have gotten bad, not every group has what it takes to always make great music,... Not many have a 20 year or so career of great msuic.. St anger did suck but their fans still bought over a half milion copies the first week.. Anyways the point was big time rock songs they had from 81 to 91 are always played on the radio and much more then gnr's music on rotation.. They had 5 hit albums in succession before they fell off, gnr n metallica were neck n neck in 91-92.. Gnr's album sales decline each year from afd, while metallica's grew each year till the black album..

Was gnr diverse, did I love gnr, do I still love gnr and listen to their music often.. yes, yes,yes,? and yes..

lets not act like part of the gnr head turning now will be ebcause of the use of the gnr name.. This album could sell 2 million quick without any videos..

[AdZ]

Plus if a piano and other stuff was brought in Mr cool behind drums might quit...because Im not so sure he signed up for that kind of stuff....

Like he didn't belive he was signing up for the afd gnr he and everyone knew not what axl was headed for?

Well he drummed on the album and finished that work BEFORE he joined the band.  Slash asked him to join at a barbecue at his house.  If he didn't want to he could have said no.

[younggunner]

I know I say well axl probably changed his mind or something then people use his quotes for every little detail involving cd. The 18 tracks the b sides 2-3 albums or whatever else, the live your life quote and eevrything else.. You'd have to be more specific..

i was referring to when you always say well the public doesnt know all the details like the fans do when it concerns vr...yet for some reason i dont see you saying that when discussing things with gnr

maybe old gnr, no one is speaking about the first single in nearly 6 years with oh my god, if that was zepllin's first song in 6 years people would be talking about it..

just liek no1 is speaking about "Set Me Free" with VR. Their debut track. Both songs were for soundtracks. VRs big opening song to introduces themselves and thier band was "Slither"...we have yet to hear GNRs opening single that is meant to make or break them.
and IF its better than the songs we have heard...pleople will be talking baout the song 6yrs down the road.

Anyways the point was big time rock songs they had from 81 to 91 are always played on the radio and much more then gnr's music on rotation

thats because those songs are more radio friendly then gnrs songs. Plus throw in the fact krock in ny never played gnr up until they got smart and changed their format from just modern and cool stuff to all out rock....because of that chjange they now have a full time listener. and q1043 wont play the harder gnr material because they are more of a classic slow rock type station.

lets not act like part of the gnr head turning now will be ebcause of the use of the gnr name.. This album could sell 2 million quick without any videos..

Like I have said a zillion times...no shit the album will sell on the name alone the first week or 2. Every1 wants to hear what Axl has come up with. The question is how does it do after that period. The music will do the talking and carrying not the name. If the album is a bunch of silk worms it wont sell down the road case closed. But if the album has some gems on it, it will sell. its not rocket science

Vr were only able to squeeze 3 singles out of CB. For an album that everyone was saying has "audioslave legs all over it" sure didnt bring the punch to the public. Im guessing FTP didnt cross over like Scom and bring in a new fan base?

[jarmo]

Are you asking because they're supposed to record a version of "You Got No Right" with a string section?





/jarmo

[AxlGunner]

I know I say well axl probably changed his mind or something then people use his quotes for every little detail involving cd. The 18 tracks the b sides 2-3 albums or whatever else, the live your life quote and eevrything else.. You'd have to be more specific..

i was referring to when you always say well the public doesnt know all the details like the fans do when it concerns vr...yet for some reason i dont see you saying that when discussing things with gnr

maybe old gnr, no one is speaking about the first single in nearly 6 years with oh my god, if that was zepllin's first song in 6 years people would be talking about it..

just liek no1 is speaking about "Set Me Free" with VR. Their debut track. Both songs were for soundtracks. VRs big opening song to introduces themselves and thier band was "Slither"...we have yet to hear GNRs opening single that is meant to make or break them.
and IF its better than the songs we have heard...pleople will be talking baout the song 6yrs down the road.

Anyways the point was big time rock songs they had from 81 to 91 are always played on the radio and much more then gnr's music on rotation

thats because those songs are more radio friendly then gnrs songs. Plus throw in the fact krock in ny never played gnr up until they got smart and changed their format from just modern and cool stuff to all out rock....because of that chjange they now have a full time listener. and q1043 wont play the harder gnr material because they are more of a classic slow rock type station.

lets not act like part of the gnr head turning now will be ebcause of the use of the gnr name.. This album could sell 2 million quick without any videos..

Like I have said a zillion times...no shit the album will sell on the name alone the first week or 2. Every1 wants to hear what Axl has come up with. The question is how does it do after that period. The music will do the talking and carrying not the name. If the album is a bunch of silk worms it wont sell down the road case closed. But if the album has some gems on it, it will sell. its not rocket science

Vr were only able to squeeze 3 singles out of CB. For an album that everyone was saying has "audioslave legs all over it" sure didnt bring the punch to the public. Im guessing FTP didnt cross over like Scom and bring in a new fan base?

VR (or rather, RCA, since they made the decision) ended contraband's run when they decided to pick dirty little thing over suckertrain blues for the third single. DLT is an alright song, but nothing special as a single. suckertrain blues wouldve been much better. IMO, superhuman wouldve been the best choice. YGNR also should have been a single. so that's 5 singles they couldve had. Instead the record label forced them to put out dirty little thing, which received no reaction and got nowhere.

fall to pieces and slither however did do well. i still go to bars in nyc and here those songs blasting out of the speakers. they rock.

also, in reading your points, i notice that you really alternate your points between saying "mainstream doesn't matter" versus something like "ac/dc was never mainstream".

you also mention "selling out".

imo, these points are irrelevant. all you need to ask yourself is this: is the music good?

ac/dc has had great music, even if it's all the same. other bands, such as gnr, were more diverse but also good. who cares about what image the band projects. as long as they make music i enjoy, i'm happy with them.

the key point is they actually make new music. i was struck by this comment on old gnr: "and in the PROCESS the people who do like Estranged have lyrics and music to that song that will last a fukin lifetime. But if GNr never had any balls or only care about what peopel said they would never even have that." frankly, as i see it now, that statement can be applied in the reverse to the current-gnr. axl needs to grow balls and not worry about other people and release his damn album so that, regardless of whether it is a big hit or not, at least the music is out there so that people who like it have something to enjoy. as of now, we just have a couple crappy bootlegs that, imo, are average at best.

[mikegiuliana]

i was referring to when you always say well the public doesnt know all the details like the fans do when it concerns vr...yet for some reason i dont see you saying that when discussing things with gnr

I always say things like that.. When do I not say that stuff.. I say the public doesn't know the band I say the public never heard of cd and so on.. I say the public only knows the vmas and everyone thought it was a joke or slash behind the mask and what happened to axl.. The fans know what vh1 plays other then that they have no clue about axl..

just liek no1 is speaking about "Set Me Free" with VR. Their debut track. Both songs were for soundtracks. VRs big opening song to introduces themselves and thier band was "Slither"...we have yet to hear GNRs opening single that is meant to make or break them.
and IF its better than the songs we have heard...pleople will be talking about the song 6yrs down the road.

velvet revolver was not some huge band that ruled 87-93 they were new with some known people.. Are you really going to compare that to the return of GUNS N ROSES the biggest band in the world a few years ago... Vr's debut track is nothing compared to ione of the biggest frontmen and gnr's return.. The commercials for the soundtrack was like new music from GNR.. To me that's news worthy and soemthing to get pumped about.. I don't know how you can't see the difference,.. people say gnr is one of the biggest bands ever, wouldn't any song after 6 years be something long awaited being your fan base is already huge,??  Either way they were both soundtrack songs..

thats because those songs are more radio friendly then gnrs songs. Plus throw in the fact krock in ny never played gnr up until they got smart and changed their format from just modern and cool stuff to all out rock....because of that chjange they now have a full time listener. and q1043 wont play the harder gnr material because they are more of a classic slow rock type station.

All I said was metallica did a lot with a similar format each time around, that was the point on how they stayed similar and kept doing better..

Vr were only able to squeeze 3 singles out of CB. For an album that everyone was saying has "audioslave legs all over it" sure didnt bring the punch to the public. Im guessing FTP didnt cross over like Scom and bring in a new fan base?

Only 3 single, how many singles do most bands get out of a record, never mind a debut?? FTP's isn't scom, there is no other scom that song was just amazing, very few songs could make an album go to one a year later.... I've been to vr shows so I know their fan base isn't just us old timers who were either fans of stp-gnr.. VR is to old to be super popular mainstream band, it's just the way iot is.. I never expected anything more then a little bigger then snakepit, so for me nearly 2 million sold in america and two of the three singles doing good on the modern rock chart and mainstream rock chart is all good.. Not many can headline their first tour so it has been a success to me..

Like I have said a zillion times...no shit the album will sell on the name alone the first week or 2. Every1 wants to hear what Axl has come up with. The question is how does it do after that period. The music will do the talking and carrying not the name. If the album is a bunch of silk worms it wont sell down the road case closed. But if the album has some gems on it, it will sell. its not rocket science

well I know it was more forum talk... If the album does good right away people will be like told you it was better... No one will just say hey it sold quick because it was gnr not because of what was on the album.. No way it will have all silkworms on therre it's only had since 1997 to work on it, I expect nothing but great music..