Utah gets GAY PRIDE.

[jgfnsr]

anit-gay and proud. i support the church and thier teachings. seriously, since when was gayness such a big issue, why bring it up now?

It goes something like this -


First they wanted "awareness."?

Then they wanted "toleration."

Then they wanted "acceptance."

And now they want "celebration."


It's not enough anymore for people who believe homosexuality is morally wrong to be tolerant of the person while not condoning what they consider a sin.? If you don't accept and celebrate the lifestyle, you're labeled as a "religious bigot," "jesus freak," etc. etc.

Ironic isn't it?

[N.I.B]

anit-gay and proud. i support the church and thier teachings. seriously, since when was gayness such a big issue, why bring it up now?

It goes something like this -


First they wanted "awareness."?

Then they wanted "toleration."

Then they wanted "acceptance."

And now they want "celebration."


It's not enough anymore for people who believe homosexuality is morally wrong to be tolerant of the person while not condoning what they consider a sin.? If you don't accept and celebrate the lifestyle, you're labeled as a "religious bigot," "jesus freak," etc. etc.

Ironic isn't it?

i dont hate gay people, i just condemn the gay weddings.

[Walk]

You don't have to love the sin, but you should always love the sinner. If you judge people, you'll keep them at a distance from your heart.

I don't knock any religions or lifestyles. When it comes down to it, we're all people, and we all need love.

If you truly love the sinner, you'll tell them they're going to burn in hell if they don't repent. If you love them, tell them the truth.

[jgfnsr]

If you truly love the sinner, you'll tell them they're going to burn in hell if they don't repent. If you love them, tell them the truth.

Except that approach never wins over anyone, does it?

Remember Jesus' response when asked why he ate with publicans and sinners....

"They that are whole need not a physician, but they that are sick."

Yes, the truth is the truth, but there are many ways of bringing people to it.
 

[gunsnroses393]

i didnt read the whole thread, but havent we had enough of the gay pride in this country?i mean really, whats the big deal. its all been done before, its old news. your gay, who cares. maybe all the heterosexuals should get together and throw a parade about being strait, and talk about how great that is.

[SLCPUNK]

anit-gay and proud. i support the church and thier teachings. seriously, since when was gayness such a big issue, why bring it up now?

It goes something like this -


First they wanted "awareness." 

Then they wanted "toleration."

Then they wanted "acceptance."

And now they want "celebration."


It's not enough anymore for people who believe homosexuality is morally wrong to be tolerant of the person while not condoning what they consider a sin.  If you don't accept and celebrate the lifestyle, you're labeled as a "religious bigot," "jesus freak," etc. etc.

Ironic isn't it?

Oh...that is how it went? 

I think gay people want what most everybody wants: To live a decent life and not be treated unequal.

The gays in the streets marching in the parades make up a tiny amount of the gay population.

That is like claiming the people you see at Mardi Gras, drunk and fucking in the street, represent all the straight people.

Nobody is asking anybody to celebrate anything, but rather to be treated AS AN EQUAL and live a good life as we are allowed in this great country.

You are called a Jesus freak because you are a hypocrite, and you use the bible to back up your bullshit. Being a bigot is one of them. You dimiss other things in the bible and only apply what you think is right for you. Of course people are going to call you on your hypocrisy.

[Tied-Up]

To find love is a gift... in what ever form it may come, for not all are so lucky to have known love in their life. 

A homosexual individual should be free to love, just as a heterosexual individual should be free to love. 

and... I'd rather be gay than mormon.   

[SLCPUNK]

A homosexual individual should be free to love, just as a heterosexual individual should be free to love. 

and... I'd rather be gay than mormon.   

1) Yes and that is what America is about: Freedom

2) Funny!

[N.I.B]

not all gay people were bad. lookit Halford and Mercury 

[jgfnsr]

You are called a Jesus freak because you are a hypocrite, and you use the bible to back up your bullshit. Being a bigot is one of them. You dimiss other things in the bible and only apply what you think is right for you. Of course people are going to call you on your hypocrisy.

Ever heard the old saying "hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue?" ?It certainly applies to you.

You think if religious people aren't perfect than they should never espouse any ideals. ?That's where you get things all turned around.

Religious people, especially Christians, know they are not perfect. ?That's where the need for a Savior comes in. ?There has only been one perfect person to walk this earth. ?Everybody is a hypocrite to some extent because everybody is human.

As far as the Bible goes, I've never dismissed anything in it because I don't need too. ?It stands as it's own witness and was around long before you or I.

And if you really knew anything about Mormons (which you ridiculously claim too) you'd know we don't depend soley on ancient scripture.

But in the end - when it comes to you - this and anything else regarding religion and spirituality truly is like "throwing pearls before swine."

[Walk]

Interestingly, Judas Priest started to surge in popularity after Killing Machine came out, their first album with (by today's standards) obviously gay lyrics. I think lots of Judas Priest fans just haven't come out of the closet yet.  I'm one of the rare people who like the early Priest era more than the leather and spikes era.

[SLCPUNK]

You are called a Jesus freak because you are a hypocrite, and you use the bible to back up your bullshit. Being a bigot is one of them. You dimiss other things in the bible and only apply what you think is right for you. Of course people are going to call you on your hypocrisy.

Ever heard the old saying "hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue?" ?It certainly applies to you.

You think if religious people aren't perfect than they should never espouse any ideals. ?That's where you get things all turned around.

Religious people, especially Christians, know they are not perfect. ?That's where the need for a Savior comes in. ?There has only been one perfect person to walk this earth. ?Everybody is a hypocrite to some extent because everybody is human.

As far as the Bible goes, I've never dismissed anything in it because I don't need too. ?It stands as it's own witness and was around long before you or I.

And if you really knew anything about Mormons (which you ridiculously claim too) you'd know we don't depend soley on ancient scripture.

But in the end - when it comes to you - this and anything else regarding religion and spirituality truly is like "throwing pearls before swine."

So you  don't dismiss murder, or slavery in the bible. You said it stand on it's on.

You claim not to be perfect....but the problem I have with you is that you preach to everybody, like you feel you have the right to. The bible condradicts itself!! Anybody who can hold a book as the truth, which condradicts itself, is an idiot.

I know plenty about the Mormon religion. More than most of them do. They know very little about the history of their OWN CHURCH. You are the same way. You weren't aware that early Christians believed in reincarnation until I said so. Then you back tracked and changed the wording in your argument to save face.

I must ask you...You are so religious, yet here you are on a GnR board. Is there not some hypocrisy in this? I mean, these guys talked about drug use, sex, and any other sleazy things you can imagine. Yet here you are on this board.

[Lisa]

it's the new 'crazy free' mormon sect

[jgfnsr]

So you? don't dismiss murder, or slavery in the bible. You said it stand on it's on.

You claim not to be perfect....but the problem I have with you is that you preach to everybody, like you feel you have the right to. The bible condradicts itself!! Anybody who can hold a book as the truth, which condradicts itself, is an idiot.

Seems you do as much preaching as I do around here my friend.? You just do it under a different banner.

I know plenty about the Mormon religion. More than most of them do.? They know very little about the history of their OWN CHURCH.

No, you only know what you've heard.? There's a difference.? Seriously dude, politics is one thing, but you're over your head here.

You are the same way. You weren't aware that early Christians believed in reincarnation until I said so. Then you back tracked and changed the wording in your argument to save face.

Um....no, I came at it in the strictest sense, in that reincarnation is not and never was a doctrine of Christianity.? If anything, it's a perversion of the true doctrine of resurrection.?

At the same time, I also believe that the early Christian church apostatized relatively soon after the apostles were killed.? After that, a whole host of practices, rites, beliefs, etc. were adopted.? Certainly reincarnation could have been among those.

You see it as anyone practicing something under the name of "Christianity" must mean it is a part of it.? Not the case.

I must ask you...You are so religious, yet here you are on a GnR board. Is there not some hypocrisy in this? I mean, these guys talked about drug use, sex, and any other sleazy things you can imagine. Yet here you are on this board.

Believe it or not, I'm not one to "wear my religion on my sleeve."? Very far from "holier than thou."? That is, unless I'm provoked.?

I read your humanist, secularist, wishy-washy nonsense on this board for a LONG time before bringing out the religion card.

As for about the only thing you and I have in common - Guns N' Roses - yeah there might be some hyprocrisy there.

Nevertheless, good music is good music.

[SLCPUNK]

Yes, my preaching includes: acceptance, non-violence, treating all people equal, not judging others, living an honest life, and to practice what you preach (not being hypocrite).

You can try to turn it around all you would like, but you use religion as a mask for bigotry, hate, and to judge other people.

I also notice how you avoid the subject of the bible contradicting itself when it is pointed out to you, and just point the finger out instead.

No, you only know what you've heard.  There's a difference.  Seriously dude, politics is one thing, but you're over your head here.

I know what I have read and what I have lived. How, may I ask, do you know what I do or do not know? Please enlighten me to the ways of the LDS church, and I will respond in kind.

And...you should know that LDS is NOT Christianity, no matter how you try to portray it, it is not. In fact to call it such is an insult to true Christians.

Um....no, I came at it in the strictest sense, in that reincarnation is not and never was a doctrine of Christianity.  If anything, it's a perversion of the true doctrine of resurrection. 

I will not rehash this with you. It was dealt with in another thread. Re-read that, and see how you back stepped right out of that one.

Believe it or not, I'm not one to "wear my religion on my sleeve."  Very far from "holier than thou."

You could have fooled most of the people on this board then.

As for about the only thing you and I have in common - Guns N' Roses - yeah there might be some hyprocrisy there.

So you can preach one way, yet live another.

If the shoe fits.....

[SLCPUNK]

it's the new 'crazy free' mormon sect

Yea, in SLC they have 'drive by baptisms.'

[GnRNightrain]

I find it quite ironic SLC that you are so quick to jump up and bash the Mormans, yet you start threads and post continuously about the plight of the Islamic fundamentalists.  Why dont you start a thread about the intolerance of the Islam religion.  They are far more intolerant than any Christian religion that you find so necessary to endlessly bash on this board.

Something tells me you wouldnt complain if a Bible was flushed down the toilet.

[jgfnsr]

I find it quite ironic SLC that you are so quick to jump up and bash the Mormans, yet you start threads and post continuously about the plight of the Islamic fundamentalists.? Why dont you start a thread about the intolerance of the Islam religion.? They are far more intolerant than any Christian religion that you find so necessary to endlessly bash on this board.

Something tells me you wouldnt complain if a Bible was flushed down the toilet.

We Mormons are quite accustomed to being accused of not being "real Christians".

Usually it comes from the maintream Christiandom; the various protestant churches mainly, and the Catholic church to a lesser degree.

But this coming from a guy who doesn't even believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, I must say, is pretty rich.

I said the same thing about how SLCPUNK wouldn't say anything if a Bible was mistreated a while back.

Don't expect him to say anything about Islam.? With him and his fellow liberals, it's a double standard.? And it's not so much they are friendly to Muslims, so to speak, but rather to anyone who fights with Christians.

[mikegiuliana]

anit-gay and proud. i support the church and thier teachings. seriously, since when was gayness such a big issue, why bring it up now?

it is such a big issue it's thrown in your face contstantly.. be gay do your thing just don't show off every second...  it's like the fucking parades in nyc, why can't the gays just march as people, I don't go to a parade with the straight section to march as an individual..
Be who you are just don't push it in everyone's face I hate all extremes from gay pride flamboyance to religious cooks

[SLCPUNK]

We Mormons are quite accustomed to being accused of not being "real Christians".

Because you are not.

Usually it comes from the maintream Christiandom; the various protestant churches mainly, and the Catholic church to a lesser degree.

I don't know any Christian group that is not insulted by Mormons calling themselves "Christian".

You believe that God came down and got the Virgin Mary pregnant. That Jesus came to America, after he talked to his homeboys the Holy land after the resurrection. I mean...what a load of poo. It's rather funny, the golden tablets that only Smith and his buddies (mostly family members) witnessed. Historians have torn holes in the book of Mormon rather easily. Smith died in jail, as he should have, he was a thief and liar. The only reason Young stopped was because he fell ill with a STD.

They also believe that they will become God Like when they die, which by it's very connotatioin implies a polytheistic religion, which by definition is NON-CHRISTIAN.

Don't expect him to say anything about Islam.  With him and his fellow liberals, it's a double standard.  And it's not so much they are friendly to Muslims, so to speak, but rather to anyone who fights with Christians.

Again, you point the finger out when you fail. Nobody is attacking Christianity, but rather your bigotry, judgemental nature, and hypocrisy....and the fact that you use the bible and religion to ok these actions.