Jesus Died of DVT?

[Railantics]

It's a thought from yahoo:

Jesus Died Of DVT, Scientist Claims
A new theory has emerged that Jesus was one of the earliest victims of deep vein thrombosis.The potentially fatal condition, also known as pulmonary embolism, has become associated with long-distance flights as people's immobility in aeroplanes can cause blood clots.But an Israeli professor says Jesus may have died from a blood clot which reached his lungs, challenging the popular conception that he died of blood loss during his crucifixion.

Professor Benjamin Brenner, a doctor at the Rambam Medical Centre in the Israeli port city of Haifa, put forward his theory in the Journal of Thrombosis and Haemostasis.

He wrote: "It is known that the common cause of death in the setting of multiple trauma, immobilisation and dehydration is pulmonary embolism.

"This fits well with Jesus' condition and actually was in all likelihood the major cause of death of crucified victims."

A pulmonary embolism is caused when a blood clot develops in deep leg veins and then moves up to the lungs, causing an acute shortness of breath and chest pains.

Professor Brenner based his understanding of Jesus' condition at the time of his death on a previous work published nearly 20 years ago in the Journal of American Medical Association.

The paper found that before his crucifixion Jesus went 12 hours without food or water, was under emotional stress, was beaten and forced to walk to the crucifixion site carrying a heavy cross part of the way.

That article found that Jesus died suddenly on the cross only three to six hours after the start of the crucifixion, and concluded it was from blood loss.

A co-author of the earlier paper dismissed the new claims.

Dr William Edwards said : "Jesus was on the cross for only six hours. It seems unlikely a large deep leg vein thrombus could develop and cause fatal pulmonary embolisation in that short time."

[Jessica]

IF Jesus had been on any cross at all ( this still needs to be proven in my eyes), he wouldn't have needed to die from all these :

On a cross, under the palestine sun, attacked by flies and all sorts of mosquitos sucking dripping blood, and probably a few chackals eating the lower parts of his body ?


He would have been dead before that.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

maybe he died from old age ?

[Railantics]

Yo, probabaly (no offence guuuys)

[Izzy]

IF Jesus had been on any cross at all ( this still needs to be proven in my eyes), he wouldn't have needed to die from all these :

Shut it - Jesus existed and he was executed by cruxification, a very common means of killing people at the time. That isn't a belief - thats a provable reality. Whether he was the son of God is a matter for belief but his life and death are established fact.

U believe in ghosts and astrology and yet would call into doubt a major world religion? U need to spend more time with that shrink, or perhaps try a new one

[Jessica]

Only scum was crucified and not everyone believes jesus was enither scum or a political activist.

Therefore, prove he was crucified.

And for the love of god, read, because although our beliefs are different, you don"t have to attack me on something world scientists and historians can't agree on themselves.

You hide, sometimes, your lack of knowledge, by agressivity.

What do you do to women when they disagree ?

[MCT]

What do you do to women when they disagree ?

He sits 'em down and forces 'em to listen to him while he sings 14 Years...

[SLCPUNK]

Jesus Christ!!

 

[Jessica]

What do you do to women when they disagree ?

He sits 'em down and forces 'em to listen to him while he sings 14 Years...

what cruelty !!!!!!

[Izzy]

Only scum was crucified and not everyone believes jesus was enither scum or a political activist.

For the love of God!

Only scum were crucified? U claim to know alot about this era's crime and punishment! Can i see ur history degree? I got mine.

Therefore, prove he was crucified.

 

I don't need to, about ten thousand scholars beat me to it - when the doctors decide ur sufficiently sane to re-enter society, try reading a few books

I only hope HTGTH's god squad read ur post - it will be an intresting response!

And for the love of god, read, because although our beliefs are different, you don"t have to attack me on something world scientists and historians can't agree on themselves.

They do agree - Jesus and his death are fact People only disagree as to whether he was the son of god - but there was a Jesus - and yes a Muhummed too! And even a President Kennedy!

You hide, sometimes, your lack of knowledge, by agressivity.

 
Lack of knowledge....? I've told u a fact and thats....a lack of knowledge? Maybe ur sentence worked better in french? Or baby talk?

What u mistak as aggression is actually amsusement - i find ur ramblings amusing and try to point u a little closer to the reality the rest of the world experience but the drugs ur on seem to inhibit

U don't even bother to hide your ignorance - and i don't take insults from a person seeing a psychiatrist, but wait - u see them because ur not crazy, i get it

What do you do to women when they disagree ?

I hit them repeatedly

And i don't actually think we're disagreeing - ur talking rubbish and i'm agreeing ur talking rubbish

I'd love to continue talking but i've just seen a ghost and need to check my horoscope to see my destiny

[Izzy]

What do you do to women when they disagree ?

He sits 'em down and forces 'em to listen to him while he sings 14 Years...

Apparently i'm as good as Sheryl Crow's version of Sweet Child 'O mine....wait, is my singing that bad?!

[Gunner80]

Only scum was crucified and not everyone believes jesus was enither scum or a political activist.

For the love of God!

Only scum were crucified? U claim to know alot about this era's crime and punishment! Can i see ur history degree? I got mine.

Therefore, prove he was crucified.

 

I don't need to, about ten thousand scholars beat me to it - when the doctors decide ur sufficiently sane to re-enter society, try reading a few books

I only hope HTGTH's god squad read ur post - it will be an intresting response!

And for the love of god, read, because although our beliefs are different, you don"t have to attack me on something world scientists and historians can't agree on themselves.

They do agree - Jesus and his death are fact People only disagree as to whether he was the son of god - but there was a Jesus - and yes a Muhummed too! And even a President Kennedy!

You hide, sometimes, your lack of knowledge, by agressivity.

 
Lack of knowledge....? I've told u a fact and thats....a lack of knowledge? Maybe ur sentence worked better in french? Or baby talk?

What u mistak as aggression is actually amsusement - i find ur ramblings amusing and try to point u a little closer to the reality the rest of the world experience but the drugs ur on seem to inhibit

U don't even bother to hide your ignorance - and i don't take insults from a person seeing a psychiatrist, but wait - u see them because ur not crazy, i get it

What do you do to women when they disagree ?

I hit them repeatedly

And i don't actually think we're disagreeing - ur talking rubbish and i'm agreeing ur talking rubbish

I'd love to continue talking but i've just seen a ghost and need to check my horoscope to see my destiny

Ohhh...man Izzy I've never laughed so hard!!

[Dust N Rose]

Women.... 

[Railantics]

Apparently i'm as good as Sheryl Crow's version of Sweet Child 'O mine....wait, is my singing that bad?!

Hang on, the threads about jesus dying of DLT, not sherly crow, or history degrees for that matter. [/sigh]

[noonespecial]

Our Father who art in heaven, please deliver me from this thread 

[Axls Locomotive]

Since DVT is associated with long term exposure to high altitudes and Jesus has of course spoken to God who is high above the clouds...this to me is clear evidence that Jesus existed and was, without doubt, a fan of the Japanese TV series Monkey

[N.I.B]

Jesus wasn't crucified because he was scum fo a political activist. He was cruxified because the pharaiees thought he was teching the common people to ignore the laws of the torah. So, in other words, we was killed because he "blasphemed" 

[Jim]

Sorry Jessica, for once I'm with Izzy.   

Actually, maybe for the second time....

Granted, I have no degree in it. But my common understanding has always been that there is documented proof from the time that a 'man' called Jesus did, indeed, live and was, indeed, crucified............................................

[jgfnsr]

Scientists and doctors (who tend not to believe in Jesus' divinity) wanting to understand the physical causes of Christ's death is nothing new.? It has been researched and discussed for decades, even centuries.


1) While the yielding up of life was voluntary on the part of? Jesus Christ, for He had life in Himself and no man could? take His life except as He willed to allow it to be taken, there was of necessity a direct physical cause of death.? ?

2) Jesus Christ was crucified through both the hands and wrists, as well as the feet.

3)? The crucified sometimes lived for days upon the cross, and death resulted, not from the infliction of mortal wounds, but from internal congestion, inflammations, organic disturbances, and consequent exhaustion of vital energy.

4) Jesus, though weakened by long torture during the preceding night and early morning, by the shock of the crucifixion itself, as also by intense mental agony, and particularly through spiritual suffering such as no other man has ever endured, manifested surprising vigor, both of mind and body, to the last.

5) The strong, loud utterance, immediately following which He bowed His head and "gave up the ghost," when considered in connection with other recorded details, points to a physical rupture of the heart as the direct cause of death. If the soldier's spear was thrust into the left side of the body and actually penetrated the heart, the outrush of "blood and water" observed by John is further evidence of a cardiac rupture; for it is known that in the rare instances of death resulting from a breaking of any part of the wall of the heart, blood accumulates within the pericardium, and there undergoes a change by which the corpuscles separate as a partially clotted mass from the almost colorless, watery serum. Similar accumulations of clotted corpuscles and serum occur within the pleura.? Great mental stress, poignant emotion either of grief or joy, and intense spiritual struggle are among the recognized causes of heart rupture.

6) It could be said, both literally and figuratively, that Jesus died of a broken heart.

[Mr. Dick Purple]

Well if any person is beaten their shit out, no matter if your a God's son I bet the poor man should die when he gets crucified. Who can resist a beat up and then be crucified? No one in the world.
And yes N.I.B. was right he was crucified because he was considered a blaspheme.