Has the bar been raised?

[younggunner]

Do you see Trent getting lampooned on SNL, comedy Central and whatnot?
I didn't think so.

Thats because Reznor will never be the public figure Axl is or was. Axl is an easy target, especially when he makes things easy for people. People dont make fun of Reznor on those shows not because they "respect" him but because they could care less.

I've GNR atop a few good lists, I've seen Axl on some very unflattering lists as well...

As the saying goes...they dont boo the nobodys

Didn't he lash out at Conan in '02?  Hardly "OK" with it.

Lashed out? Please go back to the tape. It was a joke. He was laughing and smiling as he did it. It was in good fun. Not some nasty rant.
Again, Im sure Axl, like any other human being doesnt want to get mad fun of etc, but that doesnt mean it bothers him. I would bet he laughs at half the stuff thats said about him.

That's good sentiment, shared by many artists I'm sure.

Yep and Im sure that is Axls approach to making music. And it might be everyones approach but only a select few are able to make or do  something inspiring.

[madagas]

people lampoon Slash, Mick and Keith, Kurt and Courtney, Madonna....generally speaking, ICONS!

[Falcon]

Thats because Reznor will never be the public figure Axl is or was. Axl is an easy target, especially when he makes things easy for people. People dont make fun of Reznor on those shows not because they "respect" him but because they could care less.

Rationalization...

As the saying goes...they dont boo the nobodys

Another...

Lashed out? Please go back to the tape. It was a joke. He was laughing and smiling as he did it. It was in good fun. Not some nasty rant.

Never saw the tape, although the fact remains he even acknowledged O'Briens unkind words shows a serious case of rabbit ears...

[Buddha_Master]

Whether one perceives the lyrics good or not on With Teeth is cool, just know the story behond them. Reznor is said to have taken the words from poetry fans have written to him over the years. Yea that is a little strange, but there is something fundementally cool as hell about that too. If you don't see it, or don't want to see it, that is your problem.

I will argue the fact that an artist can express himself, his emotions and stories, that he wants to tell just as well through his music as another might with their words. Stories can be illustrated too. And I have always felt that NIN and Trent was more about the music and the sounds. While some singers just want you to be clearly able to hear their words and their poetry, Trents voice is clearly also an instrument used to ad another layer and sound like a guitar does. His voice is easy on the ears and sometimes his words will also mean something when you are listening.

There is a swagger to With Teeth that can't be denied. And whether the lyrics are his own, or they are from poetry written to him by fans, they are just one layer to the music. Its not all encompassing like it is with say, Bob Dylan. And certaintly Axl is a great lyricist. Its one of my favorite things I have always dug about Axl. But he is no Dylan. So things need to be put into perspective to when you want to compare an artists words.


I am saying the bar has been raised musically, and from a technology standpoint, with NIN With Teeth.

[madagas]

You the man Buddha..I can live with that...especially the Dylan drop (considering he is my absolute favorite artist). Thus, lyrically, for me, Dylan raised the bar so high that all else pales in comparison. Listen, I like Reznor's lyrics, really very similar to Axl's. Straight forward, honest, and heartfelt. But, genius, no-either of them. I'm just point-counter pointing Falcon! With Teeth is simply great, but Axl won't be measured, ultimately, against anyone but himself/the old Gnr.

[directionality]

In the last year or so there have been several excellent new albums released.? New ones by U2, Radiohead, NIN, SOAD, Audioslave, and with the Foos and White Stripes on the way.? Have these new albums raised the bar for Axl?? Especially, NIN and SOAD because Axl is a fan of both.? Does this add pressure to succeed??

What do you guys think?

Personally, I've been disappointed with the new offerings from the Foo Fighters, White Stripes, System of a Down, and Nine Inch Nails.

I can't slam the Foo Fighters or System of a Down because I'm just not a fan. In terms of the White Stripes and NIN, however, the new songs are a bit weak. "Blue Orchid" sounds like it's really lacking, and not merely because it's stripped down. It feels as though minimal effort was put into making it... catchy tune, but I don't expect it to be lasting.

Nine Inch Nails is a completely different story altogether. After listening to the new album, I'd have to say that there are only two songs on the album worth listening to... and one of them (the first track) reminds me of mid-70s "Rubberband Man" Spinners-type stuff.

Pertaining to the bar? It's going to be compared to AFD, UYI, and Velvet Revolver. I can easily see the album doing well in Chicago; after according to a few sources, when it's released at some of the local places (e.g. Rolling Stones Records) there's going to be a <i>very</i> large crowd waiting outside on that Monday night for the midnight release. But this is besides the point... ?the new songs from RIR and other 2002 tour show bootlegs are excellent.

[mikegiuliana]

Didn't he lash out at Conan in '02?  Hardly "OK" with it.

he didn't lash out at him.. I was at msg if that's what you are speaking of.. Nothing like a paris 92 warren beaty, or st louis 91 with the nelson brothers

[ppbebe]

The bar of the thread goes up and down?

I think NIN lyrics are intended to be like that.  affectation n rhetoric are eliminated from them.　

To put it in an extreme way, NIN is sorta minimal compact while GN'R is quite a maximalist.
Monotone beauty vs full Technicolor.

I've always thought Axl would have loved to have a Reznor like existence. The Wizard behind the curtain
persona, I just don't know if he has the creative know how or resolve to ever be the guy.  His best work has always been done with a creative foil..

back to the point of this post,
So you think Axl needs Trent style creative foil to support him?
The Wizard behind the curtain persona for a band reminds me of Malcolm Mclaren ( ) or Brian Epstein or the like.
Yeah it might be interesting if Mr Reznor and Mr Rose were to work together. It would be as surreal as drawing a picture on acid.
 
But like Clinton mentioned, for now he has artistic talent like Robin (and Chris?) on his side. Still unknown quantity they suit better. Let's wait n see.

As I said in the other thread I wish GN'R to have a long time (friendly) musical competitor or two, which foil GN'R and GN'R vice versa.

[Falcon]

back to the point of this post,
So you think Axl needs Trent style creative foil to support him?

No, more of a guitar player who shares the same vision.  Let's hope he's found that with his current
players.

I think a guy like Trent might be a bit too much.

[Buddha_Master]

Agreed. David Bowie wanted to collaborate with Trent once and they did. But Reznor wound up doing all of the music himself. I don't see how Rose and Reznor could ever team up on a project. One of them would wind up saying "fuck this!"

[erose]

In the last year or so there have been several excellent new albums released.? New ones by U2, Radiohead, NIN, SOAD, Audioslave, and with the Foos and White Stripes on the way.? Have these new albums raised the bar for Axl?? Especially, NIN and SOAD because Axl is a fan of both.? Does this add pressure to succeed??

What do you guys think?

Personally, I've been disappointed with the new offerings from the Foo Fighters, White Stripes, System of a Down, and Nine Inch Nails.

I can't slam the Foo Fighters or System of a Down because I'm just not a fan. In terms of the White Stripes and NIN, however, the new songs are a bit weak. "Blue Orchid" sounds like it's really lacking, and not merely because it's stripped down. It feels as though minimal effort was put into making it... catchy tune, but I don't expect it to be lasting.

Nine Inch Nails is a completely different story altogether. After listening to the new album, I'd have to say that there are only two songs on the album worth listening to... and one of them (the first track) reminds me of mid-70s "Rubberband Man" Spinners-type stuff.

Pertaining to the bar? It's going to be compared to AFD, UYI, and Velvet Revolver. I can easily see the album doing well in Chicago; after according to a few sources, when it's released at some of the local places (e.g. Rolling Stones Records) there's going to be a <i>very</i> large crowd waiting outside on that Monday night for the midnight release. But this is besides the point... ?the new songs from RIR and other 2002 tour show bootlegs are excellent.

ditto

except for the "and one of them (the first track) reminds me of mid-70s "Rubberband Man" Spinners-type stuff.
" part...

btw, what did your sorces tell ya?