Heavy-Metal: yes or no?

[Walk]

http://www.metal-rules.com/hell/hell_july_august2002.htm

Ignore the cultural argument about false rebellion and all that. Just read the musical argument against mallcore in the first part (JP is the one who knows what he's talking about). For the glam fans out here, this article is also good for trying to convince the tr00 kvlt extreme metal fanatics that glam metal is just as metal as their stuff. Kind of a hopeless fight, though.

[psycotron]

thats a weird question because there is like 2000 different sub genres of metal. GnR are metal dude, theyre a cross between hair metal, punk and hard rock i think. i listen to metal because the musicians have a lot more talent than most every other genre except maybe classical. the guitar riffs, drums and vocals are awesome and the songs arent just about love theyre about other stuff aswell.

[Genesis]

Yes and no. The GN'R type is yes. The Rage, Megadeth kind no.

[sandman]

walk - i agree with alot of your points. i would add obituary to the list of death metal bands - they are my fav in that category. can't wait to see them live. and deicide is another i would add. (i'm actually going to see them this sunday at the troc in philly.)

what do you think of hardcore bands....do you consider them metal? specifically, what do you think of lamb of god and hatebreed?
 

[gilld1]

I am the Man may have been a joke but Anthrax's subsequent tour with Public Enemy was not.  Anthrax is the Father of Rap Metal.  So blame them for Limp Bizkit....

[Kujo]

I love that song and their collaboration with Public Enemy but didnt the Aerosmith/Run DMC version of Walk This Way come out before I Am The Man?

[gilld1]

Yeah, I think you're right.  But Run/Aerosmith couldn't have been out much before Anthrax, couple of years maybe? 

[Kujo]

Walk This Way     1986
I Am The Man       1987

[ppbebe]

Is aerosmith metal?

[Kujo]

I brought up that point in another subject a month or so ago and was told to not be so frigging specific about definitions, thats why I used them as a reference.

However no, I dont consider them "Metal". They are more "Death Country"ish. 

[Mr. Dick Purple]

Heavy Metal is a genre that is common mostly for rapid solos and armonic guitar, Bands like Iron Maiden and Judas Priest are the best example, those bands are legend to the genre, anyway was good of listening these bands, unless you dont like the loud guitars, the quickerness of their solos and sometimes the progresive way to make a song I would said that is not recomendable for you to listen these kinda bands, they will make you bored to tears  , or they will simply make you start a thread like this 

[ppbebe]

Thanks  kujo for clarifying that. Much to my relief. 

So Nes, what bands are very metal for you?

[mrlee]

why do people all judge metal upon lame bands like slipknot and system of a down. System of a downs singer is so annoying, he sounds like a jewish rabbi, and that new song is terrible "everyone go to the party blah blah blah". I am not even gonna coment on slipknot. A bunch of idiots who tryed to do metal but failed badly.

Real metal, Skid Row, the majority of ozzy's stuff, i think sabbath sound quite metal also, black label society, obviously metallica. Those are just a few of the bands i like, to be honest i need to range my musical tastes more since i dont have much real metal and i know i should give it a try. What puts me off is when i hear either a very high pitched singer or a grunting pig basically.

[Dot]

I think that there?s a lot fo confusion on what is Metal and what is not...Metal to me is something heavy,fast and in your face(Metallica,Slayer,Anthrax,Megadeth,Black Sabbath,Maiden,the list goes on). I can?t see Bon Jovi under the "Metal" label.

Anyway, what I like about metal, understanding metal the way I see it, is the energy and what it wants to say through some of its lyrics. Also, there?s something so amazingly cool, cooler than lots of things, about hearing fast and loud riffs.

[gilld1]

I think that it all comes down to the perspective of the listener.  For those who listen to pop, Madonna, B Spears, and the like, a band like Bon Jovi or , I'm laughing as I type this, Def Leppard might be metal to them.  While I have a different view since I grew up listening to bands like Anthrax, Metallica, Slayer, Exodus, Testament, et al.  So I guess one man's metal may be another man's ultimate shit band or vice versa.

[Butch Français]

I hate about 95% of all metal.
and I don't consider GN'R a metal band...cos they're not!

[Walk]

The perspective of the listener isn't important. No matter how you look at it, Burzum is black metal and Exodus is thrash metal. People who think otherwise have a bad ear for music and the wrong perspective. As for Def Leppard, their first album, On Through The Night, is NWOBHM, so they were a metal band very early on. After that, they became a hard rock band. Bon Jovi is definitely not a metal band, just a simple pop band. Skid Row, however, is excellent metal.

Also, if you hate 95% of all metal, you must have heard hundreds of bad bands, since all of the bands I recommended are great.

[journey]

I loved Metallica when I was a teenager. But to be honest I haven't really listened to a lot of metal bands other than Metallica and Megadeth. Those two bands are great, in my opinion. The only problem I have with metal, however, is that it seems to lack emotional range. The overall attitude is negative; dark, depressed, and angry. People aren't one dimensional.

[ClintroN]

anyone who thinks all metal/thrash/death etc, is all noise n' no harmony n' rythm....cant really hear music that well!!!

I feel heavy metal just as much as a ballad. I say Cradle of Filth,  some say pointless crape thats just noise, i say they have more feel n' emotion then most shit out there. Yeah, it is a matter of taste n' all but if you really appreciate music, you'll give it the time or repect and atleast really hear it!!

Of course a majority of metal is just straight up in your face metal.....the real deal

here's my short list of all genres of metal-

MetallicA
Deicide
Cannible Corpse
Satericon
Megadeth
Segresson (oz)
Decmember
Cradle of Filth
Slayer
PanterA
Dark Funeral
Anthrax
Sepultura (execpt Roots, terrible shit)

heaps!!

[psycotron]

i like every kind of metal except for hardcore, nu metal (although i dont mind it every now and then), im not too keen on industrial. thrash and hair are my favourite