Let me make a point here

[jarmo]

let me ask you this..
would it be any worse than the current mood among fans?

I think it would be the same.

Everytime there has been an update, like in 2002, some people take it as good news while others call Axl a liar.


But you didn't answer my question.


/jarmo

[Intercourse]

I agree with you, maybe the response would be negative even if he did give us some news.
Still, bad news or not, I have always appreciated honesty and if it was his honest opinion about the whole thing I would gladly accept it.  As I said before, communication is a healthy human habit, even if the news is not what you want to hear.
As I have been trying so hard to say here:

 - I am not obsessed with Axl/CD
 - I am not winging about the delay
 - I am not waiting for CD everyday
 - I am a fan of Axl Rose/GNR/VR

 - I just think it would be 'nice' to hear something
 - I will not shoot the messenger

Cheers Jarmo,
Intercourse

[madagas]

Jarmo, maybe it is the kind of statements that Axl gives. The last one about Bucket and Rio was atrocious. He basically pointed the finger at Bucket and dropped some petty comments. Then, when he tried to bring something positive to the situation by saying he hoped to announce a release date in a "few" months, he stonewalled us for a year and a half and counting. Don't say "he said HOPED." If you are not sure of the situation, then don't say anything. Honesty is the best policy. His comments at the Mtv awards and in his 2002 press release were honest. His comments about a release date in a few months were simply misleading. In this ongoing saga, the only words that count come from Axl and the only statement that counts from him is the last one he made.

[ppbebe]

I think the last one is in the statement from the management.
not about a release date but he said something about the napoleon guitarist who likened GN'R to the rolling stones....

Bono has often thanked his concert crowd 'for giving us a great life'....it really doesn't hurt to do this now and again. It only bolsters fan devotion and support.

AXL too has already said thanks to the audience numerous times. So that's done.

No one would thank anyone for what haven't happen yet.

Ok, you've done really good services. All your patients are well again and are living their life. You go back to the medical school to do research on langerhans islet in a team of several specialists. When you finish off your study you go back to the clinic.  But some of the then patients are impatient for their fav doctor to come back to the clinic, although they don't need any further medical care at the moment particularly from you, while your study needs you. It's run into difficulties but the outcome will help a lot more patients. So you labour at it.
Do you have to go and update those impatients what you are doing in the lab every now and then?
Do so, if you feel like. and if you can well afford it.  But you're not obliged to.

Plus you don't have to deal with the stalkers.

Yeah, communication is nice. He will do it when he can.

[Intercourse]

ppbebe,
that's what I am doing now!! How weird that you used an example that is right on, I have gone back to college to study here in Canada and left my practice in Ireland for a while. And yes, I do keep in touch with those patients that request it. Just a couple of lines now and again, nothing more.  It doesn't hurt and it's good manners if nothing else.

I think we've done this topic to death.
The fact is, some of us think Axl should 'do the right thing' and say hello now and again...good news or bad.
The rest think that silence is golden.
Each to their own.
I'm done with this one,
peace,
Intercourse.

[RustyCage]

You people do realize that Guns N' Roses isn't the only thing going on in the world, and they aren't the only band around. Yes I do love Gn'R and I would love to know what's happening, but I ain't holding my breath. I'm not going around thinking "Oh, I hope he says something soon!" I put it OUT of my mind, listen to either the old stuff, or another band, or fuck my boyfriend, or watch a movie, or surf the net. I don't know whether or not I should even post this because so many people on here will say "Well if you don't CARE, then why are you on HTGTH?"
The truth is I DO care, and there is NOTHING that is going to STOP me caring. Personally, I don't think any band owes anything if they've already given so much. REMEMBER THE OLD STUFF!?? HELLO!!?? That is why this site is around BECAUSE OF THE OLD STUFF!! You think that if Axl had never said anything about ChiDem in the first place we'd be having this argument? NO! Of course we would, only we'd know even less than we already do! We'd still be whining around going "Waa, when is Axl going to release a new album!!? *whingewhinge*". Maybe if we all just shut up about when ChiDem's coming out and talk about other things, then MAYBE just MAYBE Axl will think "Hahaaa! They've FINALLY stopped whinging about it, NOW's the time to release it!"

Of course we all want concrete news. Face it, if we all just forget about it and put it outta our heads and let him get on with it, then sooner or later there'll be a huge-ass fucking commercial broadcast over the entire world advertizing the release of ChiDem. Of course this will only SEEM to happen faster if we all just stop thinking about it!!!
Its like when you have a cut and it hurts real bad. You have to DO SOMETHING ELSE to take your mind off it, and before you know it, it DOESN'T HURT ANYMORE!!

Yes it would be NICE to hear something, but actually.... if you think about it.... NOT giving us information, NOT saying ANYTHING is not being a jerk, is NOT being an asshole, but is actually being totally punk rock! Do you think the Sex Pistols would have given a press release about anything they were doing. Lets not forget about the SPIRIT OF ROCK!! Do you think that if ROCK was an actual person he/she would care about anyone other than him/herself and the people closest to him/her? NOOO!!! Rock is about doing what YOU want to do and backlashing against authority and the "right" thing to do!! AKA BEING REBELLIOUS AND NON-BORING!!! Seriously!! You look at all the emo bands nowadays giving shitty little interviews in Kerrang! magazine saying what exactly their album is going to sound like. Do we give a shit about them? NOOOO!!!!

If Axl was giving shitty little interviews in Kerrang! every week, everyone on here would be telling him to shut up!
You can't win and you can't please everyone. There's always SOMEONE who has to go "I don't like you anymore because you said this/didn't say anything/haven't released anything/being an asshole/suck now etcetera".
As long as there is music around, there will be people around to criticize it.

typing LIKE this IS annoying AS a MOTHAFUCKA!

[Tied-Up]

That wasn't my question.? Do you call your patients every time you buy a car?? Or a work of art??

I think you're deliberately playing with my words here. I thank my patients for choosing me, yes. The ferraris and the art work are examples that Axl enjoys spending the money from the fans but hasn't bothered to communicate on any level with them for almost two years. He gets huge returns and won't issue a single sentence to those that support him. Maybe you think that's fair or right? but in most avenues of life, communication is viewed as a healthy and necessary human? passtime. That's my point.

I am not deliberately playing with your words.  I am asking you a simple question.  You seem to be implying that Axl enjoys spending the money without a nod to the source of the cash.  You even mentioned specifically that he is buying cars and sculptures.   So, my question remains... do you thank your patients every time you spend your money on something frivolous?  do you update them with your purchases and tell them, gee, I just bought a car, thanks a lot for enabling me to afford such a luxury?

There is a difference between thanking someone for choosing you as a doctor, and thanking them every time you make a purchase that doesn't directly relate to your basic needs.

When Axl is onstage, he says "thank you and good night" or "we love you Las Vegas" or something along those lines.  He just hasn't been onstage in a couple of years. 

No news? Nothing to report? Are you kidding me?
So there is no news or anything to report about the 70 or so songs written, the work with Desmond Childs, Bucketheads status in the band, a release date, the record companys activities around the album, the court case, a possible first single.......?
No news would mean: no band, no songs, no band members, no record company involvement.

A simple comparison should suffice: there is no news from the Soundgarden camp because Chris Cornell  is in a different band and they have gone their seperate ways and have not completed any 'big guns' in the studio...GNR is proposed to be alive so there is news out there. Also, in light of all the brinkmanship from Tommy and Dizzy ('it's getting mixed', 'it's out by February', 'it's awsome', 'i can't wait to tour this'...etc) which all came to FUCK ALL, a statement of clarity would help. Even from a cold, objective business stand point this would make sense.

Just because you believe there should be news, perhaps Axl doesn't see it this way.  Perhaps he thinks it will cause more of an uproar to just say the same ole:  "Still working on the album, no release date," than if he just kept quiet, and  kept at whatever he is doing, and then will let us know what he wants us to know, when he wants us to know it.  It's his work, and it's his perogative to keep it under wraps if that is what he wants to do.

Axl is Axl, he isn't Bono, he isn't anyone else but Axl, and he will do what he wants, when he wants.  If he doesn't want to report to us, then, he's not going to. 

I really like Elr?thiel's post.  There are other things going on in the world, my life isn't revolving around the release of information or the release of CD.   I'm here because I LOVE what Guns N' Roses has given us so far.  I'm not here to groan and bitch and moan about the fact that we haven't heard any news.  That may be why you're here, and if so, hey... enjoy yourself, man. 

 

[shaved]

To answer your question

It all depends upon how he says it.? If he says "I hope it will be out tomorrow" and then 6 months later it still isnt.. then he looks like a liar.? But hey.. he said "hope"

If he says something to the extent of "we have ran into more problems than we anticipated.? I am working hard on the album though, and I guarentee you that it will kick your ass when you hear it.? Please be patient, I know its been a long wait now, but the wait will be over soon enough.? All we need is just a little patience.?? Oh and shaved, you left your laundry on the floor again you bastard.? You do that again and I will drop you to the fucking pavement... and quit eating my chicken pot pies.? ?Bon jovi and suck my dick.

Peace out, and blame canada

Axl"

I would be pretty happy with a statement of that sort I suppose


Also, this thread is going nowhere.  I am set in my opinion that it is rude of axl to not update his fans now and then, and others think that axl has no obligation to do so.  Neither of us are going to change our minds, soo yeah. 


great site by the way jarmo

Peace 

[FlashFlood]

Anyone who doesnt think Axl owes anything is dead wrong. The fact is an album has been promised and promised and he never follows through. He treats his fans like shit. Absolute shit. Well over a decade without anything.  I love Axl, dont get me wrong. But hes just been ridiculous about the whole thing. I dont need the album to be Sgt Pepper or fucking AFD, but I want something to that he still cares, because there are plenty of people who care about him, myself included. I really wish people would realize that for all the love that we show Axl, we get NOTHING AT ALL IN RETURN. Im sure hes a decent human being, and i have no idea what hes been doing the entire millenium, but i do know that wouldnt kill him to say a friendly hello, would it?

Axl owes.

[madagas]

"Friends don't owe! They do cause they wanna do..."-the legendary Rocky Balboa

[mikegiuliana]

Ok you two, just answer this: If Axl updated the fans with a statement that said there's no release date yet and they're still working on the album, what kind of reaction do you think it would get?



/jarmo

Not the best, BUT it would at least 1) let you know soemthing is still going on, and 2) it would at least let you know not to expect anything this month or next so those bogus rumors could stop.. The biggest pain about being a gnr fan isn't the wait, it's the not knowing..
Just to say somethinglike hey gnr fans we are done with teh album but lawsuits are holding it up.. or we are still picking songs for the album but as soon as it's done you will see soon after, or we are planninga tour and it should happnen (insert season)..

I have no doubts that being it's the technology age that axl like any other person is curious to see what people-his fans- are thinking.. To see them support him but get so frustrated should let him think  These people come here day in and day outt o talk about a lot of stuff, the LEAST I could do is take a few minutes out of my busy day and send them some kind of short but to the point statment.. Axl knows the most common questions and the reasons people get disappointed.. 5 minutes of his time would make his fan base so happy, to me that is the least he can do for us.. Maybe he says well these dumb asses will always be here, adn the other fans who are not in the now will come out again when it's time so I am not saying shit.. 

[slashdelonge]

he is completely right....axl owes his fans.....who agrees with me come on come on...slash is awesome

[ppbebe]

Yeah everyone owes everyone.

You owe your parents and your parents owe who they work for, their clients, the consumers then the community and so on and on and on......... the whole world.

A human is a social animal.

[mikegiuliana]

does axl owe the fans in philly an apology? I hope he says one day what happened with the tour

[jameslofton29]

I dont think Axl is going to give too many details about the failed 2002 tour. Its one of the few shit stains on his career. When asked about it, he'll either change the subject or walk out on the interviewer.

[shaved]

My voice was givin me trouble

*sip some wine, take a puff from a cigarette" 

[mikegiuliana]

I dont think Axl is going to give too many details about the failed 2002 tour. Its one of the few shit stains on his career. When asked about it, he'll either change the subject or walk out on the interviewer.

Weird thing is any other band would give you the details in some shape or form.. Bands really get upset when their fans get fucked over especially on something like a riot the exact minute when they are suppose to play.. I know that would really bother me if that happened and telling the fans would be my first priority regardless of the problem..

[gnrkoncerti]

I want to some some officail dvd from use your illusion toue(but some stadium show in usa,south america or Europe).

[Twisted Nerve 85]

GNR FRONTMAN ISSUES PRESS RELEASE

Dear fans, hangers-on and other assorted emotional cripples,

 You've all been requesting news for a while now, and thanks to a break in my hectic pool-side schedule I am finally able to comply. Not much to tell you about due to the rest of the band having finished recording a year or so ago, but I'll tell you what I've been doing. Here's a typical day in the life of Axl Rose during post-production;

Woke up at noon today. Had a glass of soy milk and three loafs of wheat toast for breakfast, in preparation for my mid-afternoon colonic. I spent a few hours in the security master conrol room, poring over the house-staff's activities via my secret cameras. I think that the maid is stealing cutlery, I'm down to like 34 teaspoons. There was a little excitement at about 3pm when some deranged groupie showed up at the gates (or maybe it was Izzy? Must add the footage to "Ex-Bandmate & Stalker Activity" file). It's my private SWAT-team's day off so I had to loose the hounds of hell on the interloper.

Spent a few hours sipping margeritas by the pool and whipping the houseboy. I'm thinking about marrying Avril Lavigne if she isn't too old by time the album comes out but Beta says to get a chia pet first and see how that works out.

Anyway, to the important part! I phoned Crazy Bob, my sound engineer, at the studio. He says that turning all of the BH sessions tape into origami swans probably wasn't a good idea, but he's unfolded most of it and it sounds great! Bit flangy, but that's life. He also mentioned something about labelling all of the tapes next time, something about speeding up the process, I don't know,? I wasn't really listening.? The jist seems to be that all of the tracks are nearly? ready for the final "Okay" from the Fuhrer. . .? I mean, "Tommy". I told Crazy Bob that Tommy wouldn't be back until September and Bob said something about "wasting his time talking to peons" and told me not to call again without Tommy's permission. That really pissed me off so I threw the window through the t.v. which wasn't half as easy as I'd read it was. I told Merck all about Bob and he said that to make it up to me I could pick the design for the tour t-shirt! YES! Fuck Tommy!

So that about? wraps it up for today. Hey, this was so much fun I think I'll do it again tomorrow! It's way more interesting than listening to another stupid mix of the album. And the t.v.'s broke so I'll have nothing to do all day anyway.

Don't blame me, Blame Jarmo!

Peace Out.

"A"

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This is easily one of the funniest fucking things I have ever read in my life. I commend u and if there were a HTGTH forum award for biggest wiseass, ud certainly have me beat 

[Neemo]

GNR FRONTMAN ISSUES PRESS RELEASE

Dear fans, hangers-on and other assorted emotional cripples,

 You've all been requesting news for a while now, and thanks to a break in my hectic pool-side schedule I am finally able to comply. Not much to tell you about due to the rest of the band having finished recording a year or so ago, but I'll tell you what I've been doing. Here's a typical day in the life of Axl Rose during post-production;

Woke up at noon today. Had a glass of soy milk and three loafs of wheat toast for breakfast, in preparation for my mid-afternoon colonic. I spent a few hours in the security master conrol room, poring over the house-staff's activities via my secret cameras. I think that the maid is stealing cutlery, I'm down to like 34 teaspoons. There was a little excitement at about 3pm when some deranged groupie showed up at the gates (or maybe it was Izzy? Must add the footage to "Ex-Bandmate & Stalker Activity" file). It's my private SWAT-team's day off so I had to loose the hounds of hell on the interloper.

Spent a few hours sipping margeritas by the pool and whipping the houseboy. I'm thinking about marrying Avril Lavigne if she isn't too old by time the album comes out but Beta says to get a chia pet first and see how that works out.

Anyway, to the important part! I phoned Crazy Bob, my sound engineer, at the studio. He says that turning all of the BH sessions tape into origami swans probably wasn't a good idea, but he's unfolded most of it and it sounds great! Bit flangy, but that's life. He also mentioned something about labelling all of the tapes next time, something about speeding up the process, I don't know,? I wasn't really listening.? The jist seems to be that all of the tracks are nearly? ready for the final "Okay" from the Fuhrer. . .? I mean, "Tommy". I told Crazy Bob that Tommy wouldn't be back until September and Bob said something about "wasting his time talking to peons" and told me not to call again without Tommy's permission. That really pissed me off so I threw the window through the t.v. which wasn't half as easy as I'd read it was. I told Merck all about Bob and he said that to make it up to me I could pick the design for the tour t-shirt! YES! Fuck Tommy!

So that about? wraps it up for today. Hey, this was so much fun I think I'll do it again tomorrow! It's way more interesting than listening to another stupid mix of the album. And the t.v.'s broke so I'll have nothing to do all day anyway.

Don't blame me, Blame Jarmo!

Peace Out.

"A"

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This is easily one of the funniest fucking things I have ever read in my life. I commend u and if there were a HTGTH forum award for biggest wiseass, ud certainly have me beat?

I can't beleive there is no mention of the IRS leak!!!

That is pretty funny shit though.