America are gun nuts!!!!

[Genesis]

and by the way, gun laws do not work. remember the assault weapon ban? it expired last year, and there's been no change in the stats.

Really? Seems to work in every other country... Canada, India, Japan, everywhere. The problem in the US is the gun companies have too much muscle. Probably funded Bush's campaign or something...

[Walk]

What works for everyone else might not work for us. Is it really that hard to understand?

[Timothy]

The reason Gun laws don?t work in America is cause they aren?t nearly tough enough .it?s to damn easy to get a gun here.


But even having stiffer gun laws probably wouldn?t help that much ,cause it is also just as easy to buy one from another source than a store.

[Walk]

The purpose of gun control laws is to make sure lawful people get the guns and keep them out of the hands of criminals and the insane. They aren't supposed to make guns any harder to get, that's just an unfortunate side effect of the bureauocracy. Making the laws "tougher" would only hurt law abiding citizens.

[Timothy]

But if making the laws tougher would help keep guns out of those none law abiding people then I think it would be worth it .

Though like I said I don?t think it would end the problem though .But it would at least be a start.

[Rocket_queen125]

you voted for Bush....you are an idiot!!

let me know what ya think of him when he sends you to war!!

he dont give a fuck about you, havent you seen Farenheight

hey asshole i voted for bush, yea ive been to WAR!!!! im 20 years old and i will be redeploying again, i cant wait to go back, the pay is so great im make nearly 20k for bn deployed for 6 months i had the best times of my life while being to out to sea so yea send me again and again....

yeah, well i hope its fuckin' worth it!!!

money isnt worth that shit!!
why do you like war so much??

i dont like war, i love bn deployed

oh yea by the way im only 20 and i have done more and knwo things u couldnt even imagine so yea i really dont think that im an idiot, if only u knew half of the shit that goes on in the world you would understand... but you dont and never will,  ps im a submariner

[SLCPUNK]

What works for everyone else might not work for us. Is it really that hard to understand?

Only because the people have been convinced that we "need guns" to protect ourselves from the big bad wolf.

If we didn't have guns and had strict laws that punished people for having them, problem would be on the way to being solved. Naysayers would laugh at that, but the proof is in countries around the world and their low murder rates.

The laws written back in the day were to "form a militia" for locals to protect their town. Not to "bare arms" with a fucking assault riffle in the suburbs. Things are different now, and they only quote "right to bare arms" and not the remainder of the sentence/paragraph which is (purposely) misleading.

[SLCPUNK]

i love michael moore. he was definitely a factor in getting bush re-elcted. Thanks Mike!?

it's funny how michael moore criticizes clinton in BFC (in an unfair and misleading way i might add), but all the liberals on this board somehow managed to turn this into a bush-bashing thread.

and by the way, gun laws do not work. remember the assault weapon ban? it expired last year, and there's been no change in the stats.

Show a link to back your claims about the assualt weapons.

MM didn't help Bush get re-elected (please show link to back your claims).

Only stupid Americans who believe that the war on terror was to fought in a country that didn't attack us in the first place helped Bush win the election.

Gun laws do not work? We don't have gun laws! Not like people are talking here.

You get serious gun laws: Make them illegal, and impose stiff mandatory sentences for anybody caught with a guy, giving an amnesty period to turn in guns to questions asked for the first two weeks. Then harsh sentencing for guns. That is a gun law! Not this horse shit we have here in the states.

You impose a gun law like that, the "bad guys" will eventually get locked up and/or get the message. But we aren't going to do that in this country. Why? Because the RIGHT WING BACKED NRA has funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars to our whore leaders to look away instead of realizing that guns should be illegal in this country and only carried by law enforcement.

[Gunner80]

Please STOP condemning people for having the right to bare arms.  Remember guns don't kill people, people kill people and that's the FUCKING TRUTH. You might as well start banning knifes, bats and anything that could be used as a weapon.

[Rocket_queen125]

Please STOP condemning people for having the right to bare arms.  Remember guns don't kill people, people kill people and that's the FUCKING TRUTH. You might as well start banning knifes, bats and anything that could be used as a weapon.

amen that's exactly why im not a LIBERAL, and why i'll never vote for one, they dont have the backbone to standup for wat is right!! Like the the Right to bare arms or the right to life of an unborn, or the punishment well deserved of murderers....

IF GOD TOOK YOUR LIFE I WOULDNT GIVE A FUCK

Wow what an outstanding person!!!! Bravo Zulu to you im real glad that wish death among some one of opposing political veiws!! yea thats right , i think thats how hittler and all the other evil dictators of the world came to power, so glad that you share something in common with them!!! you dont see Bush whacking ppl or saying they should die?  you need to grow up and get a life kid!

neways i thought you all might be interested in the message "CLINTRON" sent me yesterday...

[Izzy]

#1. We Americans are not obsessed with guns. A few centuries ago, owning a gun was the norm. Today, it isn't. The majority of people are ignorant and fearful of guns and don't understand the people who do know how important guns are. If anything, we need more guns.

Surely u can't believe that?

Over here in the UK no law abiding person owns a gun (okay, except farmers)

Most people over here have never even see a gun in their life

No one over here ever says we need guns

And life fuctions well, our justice systems is incredibly tough on those who do get their hands on guns

U only need a gun to kill someone. They are leathal weapons after all. So if u believe people should have guns, are u prepared to kill someone?

#3. We DO have gun laws, and they don't work.

Sounds like you got a problem there - and because your existing gun laws don't work u argue

If anything, we need more guns

 

Surely when in a hole...stop digging?

Criminals will know how to get guns because they break the law anyway. Law abiding citizens aren't going to abuse their 2nd amendment rights.

Every one has bad days, days when there depressed and days when they are likely to do something they wouldn't

U add a gun to that and u r someway to explaining why America's murder rate is so high

Bad days over here don't usually involve guns

A civilian doesn't need a gun - and why would they? To defend themselves....against other people with guns? Sounds like a vicious circle

#4. Most gun deaths are accidental due to carelessness, intoxication, or poor training.

We agree - having the gun laying about is just asking for trouble

This is because people don't respect guns enough.

Having respect for a gun means not handling it unless u r prepared to kill someone.

If ur prepared to kill someone you shouldn't have a gun.

If they did, they would be much more careful with them. In hick towns like mine, we don't have gun problems, even if most people own guns.

I bet if u compare the murder rate to any other 'hick' town in a country without guns u'd see a pattern....

[journey]

Please STOP condemning people for having the right to bare arms.? Remember guns don't kill people, people kill people and that's the FUCKING TRUTH. You might as well start banning knifes, bats and anything that could be used as a weapon.

People are more likely to die from a gun shot wound than from a knife or bat. You can run away from a bat swing or knife jab, but you can't run from a bullet. My brother was hit very hard in the head with a baseball bat and he survived. He was also struck in the head with a chinese star and lived. I feel very strongly about gun violence, because my father was shot in the stomach when he was 21 years old. I'm very thankful that he's alive today, but I know that he is one of the lucky few. Most people don't live to tell.

There was a gun related crime that happened a few years ago in my town. This guy was dropping off his 12 month old daughter at his ex-wife's house. He decided to shoot his ex-wife and baby. She tried running with her daughter to a neighbor's house, but she wasn't fast enough. He shot himself after killing them. And this happened on Christmas. But I guess that was his constitutional right.

[Eazy E]

Come on now Izzy, they can't get rid of their guns!  What are they supposed to do when the evil black man breaks into their house?!

[sandman]

i love michael moore. he was definitely a factor in getting bush re-elcted. Thanks Mike! 

it's funny how michael moore criticizes clinton in BFC (in an unfair and misleading way i might add), but all the liberals on this board somehow managed to turn this into a bush-bashing thread.

and by the way, gun laws do not work. remember the assault weapon ban? it expired last year, and there's been no change in the stats.

Show a link to back your claims about the assualt weapons.

MM didn't help Bush get re-elected (please show link to back your claims).

Only stupid Americans who believe that the war on terror was to fought in a country that didn't attack us in the first place helped Bush win the election.

Gun laws do not work? We don't have gun laws! Not like people are talking here.

You get serious gun laws: Make them illegal, and impose stiff mandatory sentences for anybody caught with a guy, giving an amnesty period to turn in guns to questions asked for the first two weeks. Then harsh sentencing for guns. That is a gun law! Not this horse shit we have here in the states.

You impose a gun law like that, the "bad guys" will eventually get locked up and/or get the message. But we aren't going to do that in this country. Why? Because the RIGHT WING BACKED NRA has funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars to our whore leaders to look away instead of realizing that guns should be illegal in this country and only carried by law enforcement.

make guns illegal? sort of the way drugs are illegal?

it's hilarious that people quote the constitution when it's convenient for them (seperation of church and state), but argue that the constitution is outdated when it comes to other issues (guns). very hypocritical IMO.

sounds like the left-wing nuts are using fear tactics...."no more guns!!!"

hilarious.

[Cornell]

Come on now Izzy, they can't get rid of their guns!? What are they supposed to do when the evil black man breaks into their house?!

Yeah!  I need my gun.  I can't beat them like Eazy E's avatar...

[sandman]

i guess no one on this board has ever heard of hunting. believe it or not, there is a use for guns besides killing people.

it doesn't make sense to compare different cultures and their norms.

most people in the US have never shot a gun in their life.

[GnRNightrain]

is Micheal Moore full of shit or what dude??

answer my fuckin' question cunt

Sorry, forgot that my life revolved around answering your questions. 

To those folks overseas, just remember: This left-wing wacko is about as representative of you, as the redneck right wing nuts are of the average american.  Just remember that when you get your news over there.

But to the answer the question: Yes, he is full of shit.  He is a propogandist that is out there to make money off of left-wingers that want some confirmation that their conspiracy theories are true.  I dont know if you have ever watched the Tonight Show, but Jay Leno will act like he is at a press conference and ask a question, and then show the answer of some politician as if it is their answer to that question, taking it completely out of context.  Jay does that for humor, but what Moore does is the same thing intended to fuel the left-wingers.

If you want specifics I suggest you look back through the threads to find them.  We discussed this stuff at length numerous times.  I doubt you will be able to find someone that will rewrite all of the arguments.  Definately not me, especially considering you havent proven yourself to be able to have a rationale debate (see quote above).

[GnRNightrain]

What works for everyone else might not work for us. Is it really that hard to understand?

Only because the people have been convinced that we "need guns" to protect ourselves from the big bad wolf.

If we didn't have guns and had strict laws that punished people for having them, problem would be on the way to being solved. Naysayers would laugh at that, but the proof is in countries around the world and their low murder rates.

You cant make a direct comparison on rates.  On the one hand, the laws are not the same.  Other countries dont have as "criminal friendly" of a justice system as we have.  Thus, many criminals that commit crime in the US are let back out.  For example, most European countries dont have the exclusionary rule to illegally seized evidence.  In addition, other countries are much more strict about punishing for violent crimes.  We often let people back out the streets.  For those on the left that are so sick of violent crimes, I suggest that you pound harder on the liberal judges that let people back on the street and that reduce sentences.  I also suggest that you move for tougher laws.  More than anything, a good reason that we have such high crime rates is a result of the number of illegal immigrants that we let in this country without any background checks.  While a lot of them come over to work, a good portion of them are criminals.  This is a fact, and can be shown by looking at the prision numbers from any CA prison.  In addition, you cant assimilate that many poor people into a society at once and not expect crime to go up.  Guns may not help reduce crime, but they definately arent the main reason that we have higher crime rates than many other countries.

The laws written back in the day were to "form a militia" for locals to protect their town. Not to "bare arms" with a fucking assault riffle in the suburbs. Things are different now, and they only quote "right to bare arms" and not the remainder of the sentence/paragraph which is (purposely) misleading.

Actually, most Constitutional scholars believe that the 2nd amendment was meant to be an individual right.  Here are some of the textual reasons why your reading is wrong:  The term "Militia" did not have the meaning back in 1787 that you and many of the proponents of your view give it.  The Virginia Bill of Rights, where the phrase was taken from, defined Militia as: "the body of the people, trained to arms."  Madison also took this interpretation in Federalist 46, in saying that it provide a readily defense of liberty against the standing army that the Constitution proposed.  Also, it is an odd place to find a provision about a guarantee for a militia in a list of individual rights.

[ClintroN]

oh yea by the way im only 20 and i have done more and knwo things u couldnt even imagine so yea i really dont think that im an idiot, if only u knew half of the shit that goes on in the world you would understand... but you dont and never will,  ps im a submariner

I dont need to flash your post to everyone for them to know your a fuck wit dude!!

you told me your ONLY 20, i heard ya dude, thats great.
so what is it you've done, hey tough guy??
you dont even know who i am dude or what i've done....IM ONLY 21 cunt, thank fuck i dont have a head like yours who thinks his done everything....fuck off

after you PM post, i hope you do die!!

[Rocket_queen125]

hey it must suck to be an austraillian when the american sailors pull into port because the 3 times i have been there, yea everytime ive gotten into it with sum aussie because you guys treat your ladies like shit and they would much rather be with americans... oh yea by the way axl is an american and i beleive he toted a gun around...