Sanctuary

[horsey]

i am not one to insult axl ever,maybe a joke or two.but not insults.that gets you nowere's.axl does have a temper that is true.i only think pressure will ruin things really.he doesn't need that on his hands right now.he could just say fuck the whole thing if too much pressure is givin.but it has been way too long the cd shoulda been out in 95 after the split up of guns.and he should be on about his third cd by now.if he started sooner years ago releasing music of his own.but sometimes it isn't what fans want but what axl really feels like giving of himself.and not much has become of that in a few years.but after things do happen i think the ball will be rolling for g n' r again,the new g n' r that is.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

number one:  you are a fan BY CHOICE...
you purchase a CD because you ENJOY the music
you purchase a t-shirt because you WANT to wear it...
you don't puchase a CD or a T-shirt or anything else for that matter for the purpose of 'supporting' Axl....   
you pay for it and you receive something in return - a transaction made by CHOICE

number two:  an artist/performer is that by CHOICE and does not owe it to the 'fans' to create or perform....

and this talk about battered wife syndrome *yawn*
again... puh-leese....
give it a fuckin' rest with this

a battered/abused wife's life is made miserable by her abuser

Axl has not done a damn thing to make my (or anyone else's)  life miserable

to the contrary - through Guns N' Roses Axl has brought much pleasure to many


as for anyone putting pressure on Axl - Axl himself said that he 'gave into alot of pressure' on the release of the Illusion's abums and that he's NOT going to do that with CD.

[jameslofton29]

Axl's comments about the "pressures of Illusions" just amazes me. The band just wanted to do a record. What's wrong with that? This 12 year insanity just shows you what happens when Axl has no "pressure". He still has no "pressure", so the wait shall continue.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Axl's comments about the "pressures of Illusions" just amazes me. The band just wanted to do a record. What's wrong with that? This 12 year insanity just shows you what happens when Axl has no "pressure". He still has no "pressure", so the wait shall continue.

what makes you conclude that he has no pressure?

there is pressure...  from within (his own self) even I'd assume...
but he spoke about not 'giving into it'
that is not an easy thing to do
it takes a lot of strength to hold out when everything around you and inside you is pressuring you to do something...

in any event - we don't know what is going on...   really, we are clueless

whatever is going on... my best wishes to Axl and the whole band for a successful release and tour   

[jameslofton29]

Axl has no real pressure. The other band members have no clout so they cant pressure him. The fans expecting the Holy Grail doesn't really count as pressure. And zero was accomplished when Geffen/Interscope tried to pressure a release. And Axl IS NOT pressuring himself or the wait wouldn't have been this long. In fact, there have been several points during this long wait when Axl went years without even working on the album. Tommy let this little known fact out of the bag during one of his interviews. The NYT article also pointed this out. In fact, I think we are in one of these "Axl not caring" phases right now. For godsakes, the band hasn't even been in the same room together for several years. Let me ask you a question: Whenever you feel pressure to do something, do you spend years thinking about it? I didn't think so. At some point, an article is going to come out exposing this whole thing as nothing but a joke. And you know what the sad thing is: Axl won't even be able to defend himself. I think we are about to see a worst case scenario that will be the final chapter of CD: Geffen/Sanctuary will take Axl to court to force a CD release. This lawsuit will drag out for years. When Geffen finally wins, CD will be a quickly put together EP of the best songs he came up with and everyone will wonder what the fuss was all about. And then we'll never see Axl again. I just wish he would release it on his own terms while he still has a chance.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

Axl has no real pressure.

What is 'real' pressure?... opposed to what? fake pressure?

There is pressure.  He perhaps is, as he said, not giving into any pressure.  Doesn't mean it isn't there.  Which obiously it is.

[Cowboy Buddha]

is sp1at a reliable source?  I don't really trust it myself

[jabba2]

Maybe the contract Axl signed with Sancuary stated he must release CD this year or the value of the contract drops. This isnt the first time Axl has received advanced money for Chinese Democracy.

[Mikkamakka]

Once Ozzy fans visited the Ozzy house in dark clothes etc. and acted like Ozzy were God. (It happened years before the reality show.) Ozzy's children started to laugh on them, their look and how lame fuckers they were and why they were idolizing father Ozzy... Then Ozzy told his children to shut up 'cause without the fans they all would have been nothing, the fans bought their house and the fans paid for their living and he (Ozzy) really appreciated their loyalty. Maybe Ozzy should tell Axl about this stuff...

[Mr Cowbell ?]

number one:? you are a fan BY CHOICE...
you purchase a CD because you ENJOY the music
you purchase a t-shirt because you WANT to wear it...
you don't puchase a CD or a T-shirt or anything else for that matter for the purpose of 'supporting' Axl....? ?
you pay for it and you receive something in return - a transaction made by CHOICE

number two:? an artist/performer is that by CHOICE and does not owe it to the 'fans' to create or perform....

and this talk about battered wife syndrome *yawn*
again... puh-leese....
give it a fuckin' rest with this

a battered/abused wife's life is made miserable by her abuser

Axl has not done a damn thing to make my (or anyone else's)? life miserable

to the contrary - through Guns N' Roses Axl has brought much pleasure to many


as for anyone putting pressure on Axl - Axl himself said that he 'gave into alot of pressure' on the release of the Illusion's abums and that he's NOT going to do that with CD.

I think you are a little off I can think of alot of smaller or reginional bands albums I have bought to support them.  There is this artist named Butch Walker (from the band Marvelous 3) I went out and bought 3 copies of his cds to give out to friends to help support him.  I didnt need 3 and i really didnt need 1 but I did it because I enjoyed his previous music and I wanted it to sell well and hoped other would go buy it.   So I do think there are people out there who do buy GnR stuff hoping or believing they are helping AXL

[Mr Cowbell ?]

Axl has no real pressure.

What is 'real' pressure?... opposed to what? fake pressure?

There is pressure.? He perhaps is, as he said, not giving into any pressure.? Doesn't mean it isn't there.? Which obiously it is.

It all goes back to YES MEN and NO MEN. Back in the day Axl has bandmates that would put pressure on him and work on songs and if they didnt like them, they would tell Axl.  Axl is now surrounded by YES MEN that will agree with whatever he says and say Axl crapping on the toilet is a great masterpiece.  Anyone who thinks AXL has real pressure on him is drunk.  Pressure is a dead line.  Pressure is knowing it will take 120% effort in the time you have to get it done.  Pressure is having a finish line and knowing when you must complete your work by.  He been in and out of the studio sense what 97?  There isnt no real pressure on him YET.  That will come when Axl is taken to court for not producing a product like Jameslofton29 said.

[christina_rose]

Pressure is never a good thing in any sense. Think about when you were in school. And you have this huge paper due. You've got your parents telling you to get a move on it, all your friends are already done with it, and you haven't written one single sentence. So you cave and scribble a bunch of nonsense and hope it makes sense. Whereas if you remove yourself from everyone and actually sit and concentrate, you can come up with something pretty amazing.

Geffen/Sanctuary will take Axl to court to force a CD release. This lawsuit will drag out for years. When Geffen finally wins, CD will be a quickly put together EP of the best songs he came up with and everyone will wonder what the fuss was all about. And then we'll never see Axl again. I just wish he would release it on his own terms while he still has a chance.

You make a ggod point james. IF in fact the CD is forced out, it will contain whatever they can find that sounds good thrown together to be sold. And it will sound exactly like that. Then it'll be "geez, we waited x years for this??!!??" Axl Rose has never been easy to figure out. There is a reason the CD isn't out yet. And only Axl knows what that reason is. I'm sure when he is good and ready we will find out something. I for one have been patient this long, I can wait. I fully believe it will be worth it.

[Mikkamakka]

You are absolutely wrong. Pressure is inspiring. Without pressure you wouldn't make your exams. You wouldn't go and find and do a job. You wouldn't complete an album... Pressure helps to create and do your best. (Too much pressure is another thing.)

[Rain]

ryan,

you better watch out, some people on this board are going to be gunning for you soon!? Hahaha how dare you say that Axl owes his fans something who have supported him through it all!

I have said this same thing before and people get in this big hissy fit about it.? Money is the name of the game, and if Axl did not have any money you can bet that this album would have been released years ago and we probably would have had a reunion show by now.?

I made the analogy months ago that GNR fans are like battered wives.? They take the silence everyday and are virtually ignored, yet they still fork out $$$ for his shitty merchandise that is put out.? So you people are to blame for it.? You support his laziness, oh wait, wrong term, you people call it "perfectionism".? Yes that is what it is.?

Its been said before man... I am on your side, but just wait for the barrage of insults from the Axl lovers

Maybe we just live our lives. I'm waiting for a release but my life doesn't revolve arount it.  Axl doesn't own me shit. He put out music that you bought ! You still like listening to it so be happy with it. He doesn't ask for support, does he ? If you're still here waiting it's your own very fault ! 

[AxlFink]

james lofton knows all

[jameslofton29]

I think the worst case scenario I discussed in my earlier post is very close at hand. Probably by the end of the year. The sad thing about it is alot of these GNR forums will probably die out. Because alot of people won't sit around for 3 or 4 more years while the issue is decided through the court system. There won't be much to talk about when you know that after the case is over, Axl will appeal the decision. The only cool thing about this hellish wait is the interesting discussions we all have. When CD is tied up in the courts, the conversations will probably dry up. Over in the lawsuit thread, those people seem to think some phantom lawsuit is delaying CD. Pretty soon, their moronic statements will be the truth.

[mike_giuliana]

You are absolutely wrong. Pressure is inspiring. Without pressure you wouldn't make your exams. You wouldn't go and find and do a job. You wouldn't complete an album... Pressure helps to create and do your best. (Too much pressure is another thing.)

SOme pressure is important, a sence of urgency is very important.. This is why most bands best work is done when they were starting out.. People become lax and it comes with having money and noone pushing the issue.. You don't need someone cracking the whip, but you need a deadline to keep on course.. If there was no pressure no job would ever get done, no one would ever make money.. Pressure keeps you on your toes..

[WARose]

i don`t think that ANYONE can force a release of chinese democracy, except when Axl handed the songs allready over to the label, because how could they get them?    and again: is sanctuary now gnr`s label?

[Pandora]

In fact, there have been several points during this long wait when Axl went years without even working on the album.

Care to elaborate on that? I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Rain]

In fact, there have been several points during this long wait when Axl went years without even working on the album.

Care to elaborate on that? I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

You shouldn't ask . He doesn't have a clue either.

What really amazes me is that it's always the ones that think Axl owes us something who call us (those who wait) Axl's lovers. I came to the conclusion that they were far more obsessed with him than I could ever be !