Sanctuary

[jarmo]

Axl owes you something just because you've decided to be a fan?

The only one he might owe something is the record company (if the contract states that he owes them an album).




/jarmo

[Nightfall]

Axl owes you something just because you've decided to be a fan?

/jarmo

no because he promised several times

[jarmo]

I've been promised things too, but sometimes things don't work out. 
 
 


/jarmo

[ClintroN]

I've been promised things too, but sometimes things don't work out. 
 
 


/jarmo

i hate people who are full of shit

[mike_giuliana]

I thought the fans were owed an album first because he promised it many times, and secondly alot of us went to a cd world tour.. Every tour I ever supported the band in return gave an album with it.. Why tour to do endless covers and a small amount of new songs..? Why was kurt loder having sarcasm in his voice in 2002 at the vmas... ? That is because axl was telling him about the album 3 years earlier and how it was about done..

if you don't want to have people expect an album then don't say you have these big guns, don't say it's almost done ,and most of all don't even say you have anything until it's ready.. Please don't say round 1 and have nothing

[ClintroN]

I thought the fans were owed an album first because he promised it many times, and secondly alot of us went to a cd world tour.. Every tour I ever supported the band in return gave an album with it.. Why tour to do endless covers and a small amount of new songs..? Why was kurt loder having sarcasm in his voice in 2002 at the vmas... ? That is because axl was telling him about the album 3 years earlier and how it was about done..

if you don't want to have people expect an album then don't say you have these big guns, don't say it's almost done ,and most of all don't even say you have anything until it's ready.. Please don't say round 1 and have nothing

in some way im agreeing with you, this is why im thinkin' GNR owe us an album, but at the same time im glade i know its coming......since he has said this shit, we should be gettin' regular updates!!

[mike_giuliana]

I thought the fans were owed an album first because he promised it many times, and secondly alot of us went to a cd world tour.. Every tour I ever supported the band in return gave an album with it.. Why tour to do endless covers and a small amount of new songs..? Why was kurt loder having sarcasm in his voice in 2002 at the vmas... ? That is because axl was telling him about the album 3 years earlier and how it was about done..

if you don't want to have people expect an album then don't say you have these big guns, don't say it's almost done ,and most of all don't even say you have anything until it's ready.. Please don't say round 1 and have nothing

in some way im agreeing with you, this is why im thinkin' GNR owe us an album, but at the same time im glade i know its coming......since he has said this shit, we should be gettin' regular updates!!

Yeah for me it's not the wait itself, it's the silence.. Just how the band is very unsure.. I think axl made his statement for rio 14 months ago, said he hoped to announce something in a few months.. Well either way axl should just say something.. He could say it's done, but my current legal problems are preventing the album from being out.. He could elaborate on the status.. At least we would know where we stand, wether it's 2 years away, or 3 months away.. it would be soemthing

I can't get merck, he says 2005 is the year, but why not promote it now then, or is he scared axl will back out.. Deadline's need to be incorperated.. Some pressure can help one excell, keep you on course.. Axl is a very wealthy man, he has no urgency, no bills to pay with a new album..

Hopefully soemthing happen soon..

[jarmo]

I thought the fans were owed an album first because he promised it many times, and secondly alot of us went to a cd world tour.. Every tour I ever supported the band in return gave an album with it..

Did you pay for the album?


Seems like the people who criticize Axl about everything are the ones who think he owes them an album. Weird. 



/jarmo

[ClintroN]

Did you pay for the album?
/jarmo

i dont think thats what he means dude, you cant sit there n' tell us you dont feel you deserve something from GNR after all the fuckin' around.

And not a pat on the back neither, im talkin' about an album release or a statement for us fans.

[mike_giuliana]

Did you pay for the album?
/jarmo

i dont think thats what he means dude, you cant sit there n' tell us you dont feel you deserve something from GNR.

And not a pat on the back neither, im talkin' about an album release.

He knows exactly what I mean, I stated it very clearly..

Axl is the one who has been promising it for years, he was the one who said CD he was the one who gave a setlist, he gave the bonus tracks and 18 songs.. He also mentioned touring for years and dropping several albums.... Axl dug this hole that makes people expect things,. Why is kurt loder asking about cd unless he expected it too.. Axl said he was going to wrap it up, said see you with new songs after rio.. I can't understand how people don't see that as a promise.. He even said a lot on cd when he cancelled rio.. Taking recording to a new level, hopefully an announcement soon..

Nobody made these things up, axl's mouth created that buzz..

[jameslofton29]

Great post again.mike. And Pandora, if you dont have a clue about Axl's inactivity, go read the NYT article and some of Tommy's interviews from the past 2 years. Its all there. People seem to ignore facts when it doesn't suit their Illusion of Axl.

[ppbebe]

Axl is the one who has been promising it for years, he was the one who said CD he was the one who gave a setlist, he gave the bonus tracks and 18 songs.. He also mentioned touring for years and dropping several albums.... Axl dug this hole that makes people expect things,. Why is kurt loder asking about cd unless he expected it too.. Axl said he was going to wrap it up, said see you with new songs after rio.. I can't understand how people don't see that as a promise.. He even said a lot on cd when he cancelled rio.. Taking recording to a new level, hopefully an announcement soon..

Nobody made these things up, axl's mouth created that buzz..

So, you prefer total silence than hearing something from Axl. You've got what you want now. Why the fuss.

[Intercourse]

I think Axl should show a modicum of respect for his die hard fans an issue some information regarding the band, the album and his thoughts on both. If it?s not out until 2008, fine at least I would know.

Over the years and years I have contemplated this band musically and personality wise, I begun to be suspicious that Axl does not in fact like his fans very much. He travels everywhere blanketed in security to keep people away from him. He has walked off stage abandoning gigs with both incarnations of GNR, that in itself is a massive ?fuck you? to the people who spent their hard earned cash to be there to show their support for the band. The arguments here that ?Axl owes us nothing? are invalid in those cases because you should get what you paid for, a full gig, delivered with the best of the bands ability, Axl included. There is such a thing as ?professionalism? in music performance and that includes digging deep and giving a show no matter what the difficulties. This is where my hat is tipped to Scott Weiland, he has not faltered in his devotion to building VR from a position of ridicule and apathy to a level of respect among fans and the music community.

People here go on and on about Axl?s fragile state of mind, his inner demons, the ?pressure? he is under?give me a break. Pressure is not being able to pay your mortgage or finding a tumor in your breast or loosing a loved one. Rock music is a recreational activity for most normal members of the public, not some high art where lives are at stake. Axl in his privaliged position, seems to have forgotten that.

Axl has been submerged in therapy since God knows when and still bails on those who depend on him i.e. his band (new and old), his management (no CD after 10 years) and those that paid to see him play live- his fans. This album nonsense is just another extension of that ?fuck you all, I?m going home? attitude that the guy just cannot get out of his behavior patterns no matter what ?professional help? he attests to receiving.

Axl doesn?t talk to us because it obviously is not important to him to do so. He pretty much does what he likes, so if he wanted to communicate, I?m sure he would.  Sanctuary would have to have their heads jammed up their arses not to be aware of fans feelings on this issue via this forum etc. They have to be telling him what feelings are out here in ?fan land? for a long time now and still nothing. Sure, he?ll take the cash for the Ferraris and the five grand horse sculptures but he won?t write a five line communication to those that appreciate and pay for exposure to his talents, that?s the bit that pisses me off.
Peace,
Intercourse.

[mike_giuliana]

Axl is the one who has been promising it for years, he was the one who said CD he was the one who gave a setlist, he gave the bonus tracks and 18 songs.. He also mentioned touring for years and dropping several albums.... Axl dug this hole that makes people expect things,. Why is kurt loder asking about cd unless he expected it too.. Axl said he was going to wrap it up, said see you with new songs after rio.. I can't understand how people don't see that as a promise.. He even said a lot on cd when he cancelled rio.. Taking recording to a new level, hopefully an announcement soon..

Nobody made these things up, axl's mouth created that buzz..

So, you prefer total silence than hearing something from Axl. You've got what you want now. Why the fuss.

try reading my previous post where I said I wanted to hear something good or bad

[chineseblues]

Did you pay for the album?
/jarmo

i dont think thats what he means dude, you cant sit there n' tell us you dont feel you deserve something from GNR after all the fuckin' around.

And not a pat on the back neither, im talkin' about an album release or a statement for us fans.

Yes you can. Axl doesn't owe me shit all. I never paid for the album. I bought all the old albums and shirts etc because I wanted to. If Axl decides to not release the album, I wontbe pissed off. I might be a little dissapointed but it's not like I'm owed it or anything. 

[mike_giuliana]

I won't be angry either, and as you said disappointed..  Serious question CB, what will new gnr be without an album in gnr history? As in say another 5 years go by will it still be a band or something in the works?

[chineseblues]

I won't be angry either, and as you said disappointed..  Serious question CB, what will new gnr be without an album in gnr history? As in say another 5 years go by will it still be a band or something in the works?

in 5 years they will prolly have had at least 2 albums out by then. CD is coiming out this year. 

[Danieljones343]

I have been asked by Sp1at to inform you all that this is not concrete info/news, it is a rumour that they are investigating. Thanks!

[Pandora]

And Pandora, if you dont have a clue about Axl's inactivity, go read the NYT article and some of Tommy's interviews from the past 2 years.

Oh sure, it's my fault now, I never ever read the articles. 

Find me the quote from Tommy where he says Axl went several years at a time without stepping into the studio, and then I'll believe you. I know you won't find it, because it simply doesn't exist.

It would be nice if people stopped making things up just to serve their argument 

[mike_giuliana]

I won't be angry either, and as you said disappointed..? Serious question CB, what will new gnr be without an album in gnr history? As in say another 5 years go by will it still be a band or something in the works?

in 5 years they will prolly have had at least 2 albums out by then. CD is coiming out this year.?

Ok lets hope it does.. Let me know if this is true, is brain, richard and tommy doing things this summer? Also I read somewhere(rumor?) that dizzy is working on new material with josh todd and I aslo read he is touring this fall? As for the 2005 release is that because you have some solid info, or are you going by what merck said about 2005 being the year.. ? if it is that about what merck said then why do you think everyone is so quite about a time period (as in month) rather then years? Like starting the promo now instead of later..