Hired Guns?

[ppbebe]

You know...Buckethead ruined the reputation of the band. The band is better now.

Shut up, Buckethead's better than than Goth fag you call Robin Finck

Could you Shut the fuck up, please. And Mind you nesquick dislikes both.
Both guitarists are great in different ways.

Why don't you fuck off

You first?

[usurper]

You know...Buckethead ruined the reputation of the band. The band is better now.

Shut up, Buckethead's better than than Goth fag you call Robin Finck

Could you Shut the fuck up, please. And Mind you nesquick dislikes both.
Both guitarists are great in different ways.

Why don't you fuck off

You first?

Nice try, not gonna happen

[Mikkamakka]

Interesting...    Where are the mods?

[ryan_of_lax]

Warning, Warning: Personal opinion.

I am in a band.
I, along with one other guy started the band.
We're not signed (yet), but that doesn't mean that I don't see the band as mine.

The FANS are the ones who sees Slash as an original member, and as a key member to GNR.

To Axl, I think he has every right to think of his band as Guns N' Roses no matter who is in the band.
It's just like The Cure.

The only original member in that band is Robert Smith.

I wish the new Guns N Roses had a different band name.
But they don't.
The new songs sound great, so I'm looking forward to the CD when (if) it happens.

Yeah you got an ego problem already. So fricken what if you were the first ones in the band. So what if you played a small coffee shop before JOHN or JIM joined.? I look at a band the same way the Rock n Roll hall of fame does.? Their lineup at the time up of their first release.? I see that as the original line-up.? Heck Dave Grohl was like the 6 guy to play drums in what was to become Nirvana and people see him as a true member even after he himself it was more Kurt's and the bass players ideas.? Look at the Bealtes RINGO wasn't the original drummer, but no one puts the original guy over them.

It's all about talent and what you put into your band.? If you are the guy who has a broken bongos set and can't play them but you come up with an Idea for a band called GNOMES, and you get a guitar player to come hang out and play with you and then you get a bass player and then a singer and then the band starts to fill out, do you honestly think it was your band because you were the first one there?? What if you all work together writing songs and recording them.? You are a very arogant man to think Aband is your band because you were there first, it BELONGS TO EVERYONE IN THE BAND who works their asses off, plays them shitty clubs, tours in their crappy vans and does whateer they can to help you sell the band.? ?

SHAME on you Ryan and I hope your band finds your egotisical ways out and can find a better team player.

Oh man. I'm sure people don't even read things here.
I said that I can see why Axl sees the band as partly his own.

But I also think that Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven were the original band. I said that I dont think the new band should be called Guns N' Roses. Didn't you read that?

Also, don't fucking tell me that I have an ego problem.
I just stated that in every band I'm sure that there is someone who sees themself as the leader.
I'm not saying the other guys are just disposable faces.

I obviously wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the original band.

[Pandora]

You know...Buckethead ruined the reputation of the band. The band is better now.

Shut up, Buckethead's better than than Goth fag you call Robin Finck

Could you Shut the fuck up, please. And Mind you nesquick dislikes both.
Both guitarists are great in different ways.

Why don't you fuck off

Why don't you shut up before you get banned?

[ppbebe]

ryan_of_lax I thought it was a good post. 
I think every member of a band should feel it as his band and his people.
When CD comes out...
I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the current band.

Nice try, not gonna happen

Doubt it. Seeing you're here to make a nuisance of yourself.
Quit Fag calling.

Anyway I'll stop answering you cos it's nothing to do with the topic.

[Sakib]

r u on cannabis

[*Izzy*]

This has got to be page of the year, so funny?

  Izzy?

[AdZ]

Has this got ANYTHING to do with the topic?


Keep it up and I'm just going to lock it.

[HK-47]

The reason that the album isn't out is because Axl isn't done with it yet, end of story

That's the whole point. He is in a group. Each member should be able to tell the other to get it in gear and get it done. The fact that can't happen in the GNR situation supports the theory the other members are his employee puppets he directs to do whatever he wants.

Under the old GNR structure, when they were equals the other members had the leverage to pressure him to finish stuff. That is probably how we ever got any music out of them. Now that no one can say anything to him because they are employees, rather than partners, had lead us to the situation we are in now.

Equals? Do you think that anyone was taking into account how Sorum wanted the album mixed or what deadline Duff had decided on for the lead guitar parts? Guns N Roses is not, was not and never will be a democracy. What's more, it never will be structured to your fanboy vision of how a band should work; there is no one right way to organize a band, there's room for all sorts of different working relationships even within a single group. In this group, the buck stops with Axl. Delivering this album is soley his responsibility, and he's clearly set high standards for it. IF CD sucks, who is going to get the blame? Axl. Who is going to have to pay back the hefty advance and recording costs? Axl. Why should anyone else get to make a decision on when the album is "ready"?

Look at it this way; When making a film the director will work closely with his cinematographer, his production designer, his actors and his other various crew. It's a collaboration. However, once all of the filming is complete it's the director's responsibility to turn the millions of feet of stock into a movie. You don't find the key grip or the head AD or even the lead actor banging on the editing room door, asking if the film is ready yet.   

[ryan_of_lax]

That was honestly one of the best things I've read here.

I wouldn't have agreed so much before hand.
But that was a REALLY good analogy.

There's always a leader to every group.
It's foolish to think there's not.

[Krispy Kreme]

It is obvious that the new band are a bunch of hired musicians that were picked for their talent and picked to fill a very specific role within the band.? Is it possible that the original lineup was the same?? How much input did the old Gunners have?? Has it been the Axl show all along?? I know that their are others credited for writing songs but it could have been 99% Rose and 1% Slash or whoever.? All the old guys had very spelled out parts to play and some were easily replaced (Izzy for Gilby).? Is there any weight to this or am I hallucinating madly?

In the original band, Izzy wrote most of the music. Somewhere, some time  long ago there  was  a post  about who wrote what on AFD. But if in doubt just check the liners for UYI 1 and 2.

[kaasupoltin]

Well, this is what happens when there's no any Izzys in the band 

But hey.. Why Sorum was a hired Gun, but Brain is not?

[ClintroN]

Well, this is what happens when there's no any Izzys in the band 

But hey.. Why Sorum was a hired Gun, but Brain is not?

Guns N' Roses are alive and well!!

[kaasupoltin]

Well, this is what happens when there's no any Izzys in the band?

But hey.. Why Sorum was a hired Gun, but Brain is not?

Guns N' Roses are alive and well!!

Nice to hear your opinion, but this has nothing to do with guestion 

[ClintroN]

Guns n' Roses ARE ALIVE AND WELL!!!

[Warren]

As long Axl, Slash and Duff were in the band it was not an issue.

Since 1996, Axl has started something that has nothing to do with Guns N'Roses calling that Guns N'Roses. That's an issue.

1996? Duff was still in the band in 1997..... Or maybe the key member for you was Slash.


Nobody's forcing you to be here.

Maybe you need a message board that's only for the old band?



/jarmo

Why should I leave ? Just because you don't agree with me ?

You should understand that not every GN'R fan agrees with you, even if you're the webmaster.

I think that you, jarmo, and pandora are most of the time talking nonsense and you're taking advantage of your position doing so. Few people here dare contradicting you...

Lot of cowards.

[jarmo]

Sure.

Maybe you've missed the reason why this board exists. It's for GN'R fans, not necessarily for GN'R fans who "like the old band and hates Axl with a passion".

You along with your friends sound like a broken record. It's probably been playing in your head since 1996 "It's not GN'R", "it's not GN'R", "it's not GN'R", "it's not GN'R", "it's not GN'R","it's not GN'R" over and over and over again.

We get it. Move on.



/jarmo

[Warren]

Essential things are never repeated enough.

[Pandora]

Essential things are never repeated enough.

It's also never repeated enough that "stalinists" like us can delete posts of people who insist on breaking the rules like you. Keep that in mind.