GN'R vs. NWA: Who was the REAL most dangerous group in the world?

[KeVoRkIaN]

I don't want Axl anywhere near in that category to those NWA fools.  Ya, its real cool to glorify violence when so many young black males are in jail.  That isn't something to be proud.

Note: Axl wearing NWA caps during the Illusions tour non-stop

[Axl_owns_dexter]

Ya, it was pretty ignorant of him, IMO.  I hope he has learned a little since those days.

[Slashisthebest]

the guys in NWA have killed ppl, so they are dangerous, but GNR is dangerous too, they tie in my book

[killingvector]

I think sharing needles and/or sharing the bed with alot of women without protection is a very dangerous lifestyle; hence, the question behind the source of easy e's HIV infection.

But didn't you just say
                                   

it is relatively difficult for a man to contract HIV from a woman unless of course he has sores in his mouth or on his manhood.

 

that is why I ASKED the question about the man.

[killingvector]

I think sharing needles and/or sharing the bed with alot of women without protection is a very dangerous lifestyle; hence, the question behind the source of easy e's HIV infection.

Sure, but does that automatically make NWA more dangerous?

The question was, which band was more dangerous. Many of you seem to think that just because they band did drugs, they're automatically dangerous.

How does one band member's drug problems affect Regular John in Kentucky or Regular Juan in Argentina?

How would the biggest band in the world (who are constantly on tv, radio and the newspapers) affect the above mentioned people? My point is, GN'R were the more dangerous one of those bands. Simply because they influenced more people world wide.



/jarmo

i merely posed a couple of questions in order to understand how reckless this group was. why is influence on others automatically considered to be more dangerous? If these guys were harmful to their own lives and the people around them, then it doesn't make them any less 'dangerous.' I honestly didn't know the answers to those questions. I don't see the harm in the introduction and frankly i'm a bit turned off that my inquires are being criticized for being off topic. I don't mind my opinion being criticized but an innocent question is another story especially when they deal explicitly with the topic on hand.

[Genesis]

well... I've never heard of NWA, so I guess GNR?

Likewise. Rock N' Roll vs. Gangsta rap? Go figure...

[Twisted Nerve 85]

I think sharing needles and/or sharing the bed with alot of women without protection is a very dangerous lifestyle; hence, the question behind the source of easy e's HIV infection.

Sure, but does that automatically make NWA more dangerous?

The question was, which band was more dangerous. Many of you seem to think that just because they band did drugs, they're automatically dangerous.

How does one band member's drug problems affect Regular John in Kentucky or Regular Juan in Argentina?

How would the biggest band in the world (who are constantly on tv, radio and the newspapers) affect the above mentioned people? My point is, GN'R were the more dangerous one of those bands. Simply because they influenced more people world wide.



/jarmo

i merely posed a couple of questions in order to understand how reckless this group was. why is influence on others automatically considered to be more dangerous? If these guys were harmful to their own lives and the people around them, then it doesn't make them any less 'dangerous.' I honestly didn't know the answers to those questions. I don't see the harm in the introduction and frankly i'm a bit turned off that my inquires are being criticized for being off topic. I don't mind my opinion being criticized but an innocent question is another story especially when they deal explicitly with the topic on hand.

Well, Basically in the 80's it was all beat box,funny,clown,breakdance rap. But they took what Public Enemy (a rap group that spoke of politics and the hypocrisy of the government, and the mistreatment of African Americans) and Ice-T (The godfather of gangsta rap who spoke of drugs and gang violence in south central LA) and they combined it, then they js took it that one step further. Basically NWA wasnt afraid to say what everyone else was, then they got all the politcians riled up because they needed somehting new to persecute since Regan beat the "communist heathens", so they went after NWA. Then that js hyped them up even more, and it came to a point where u had white kids in pops country club wanting to hear NWA. Js a sense of rebelliousness that kids were attracted to, much like Elvis Presely and The Doors when they came out in their times. And I think we all know what made GnR so dangerous, they took everything that was going on at that time and js said fuck it all, and did exactly what they wanted HOW THEY WANTED IT 

[ppbebe]

And I think we all know what made GnR so dangerous, they took everything that was going on at that time and js said fuck it all, and did exactly what they wanted HOW THEY WANTED IT 

I'm not sure about that. 

".. And i'm the last mother fuckin' person they thought would be climbin' up their ass to tell them about it. But see ... for me now ... it ain't about fuckin' doin' cocaine, it ain't about how much vodka can I drink, and how much I can drink someone else under the table. It ain't about how much of a (In a naggy voice) macho-man rockin' roller I can be. That shit don't work no more. That's great for little kid rock n' roll fuckin' bullshit, but it don't work no more in the real world for my ass.

I can't come up here and go, (In a naggy voice) yeah, i'm bad, i'm rock n' roll, we're doin' this rock n' roll thing, it's my life, it's falling apart. I can't fake it no more. Just because my family or my record company or somebody else tells me I should, so everybody can be happy, and make money, and ... suck my dick!"


This bit  from Chicago'92 Rant (credits to Jodie-the-rat) is chiefly about the conflict with his parents. Sorry it might be a bit out of the context but I think he's mentioning his view on the so called RNR image.

[Mattman]

Ya, it was pretty ignorant of him, IMO.? I hope he has learned a little since those days.

What, as in it was ignorant of Axl to wear an NWA hat?  Yeah, it's real ignorant to wear merchandise from a musical group you like.

[Teapot]

The most dangerous thing a band can do is make people face uncomfortable truths, especially when it deals with racism and the abuse of power. NWA dealt with both of these topics and were subsequently monitored by the police everywhere they went as well as the FBI.
The reason they were considered to be far more dangerous was because they were black and people feared they would incite other young black males to resort to violence.
Nobody except for music fans seriously considered anything Axl said. He was a white kid from the suburbs who did drugs and played rock. Not so dangerous or original at the time.
Rap was new and no one heard anything like NWA before. It was groundbreaking and therfore 100 times more dangerous.
As far as which band was in reality more dangerous to hang out with? Neither. Millionaire musicians aren't too terrifying, whether they're puking on themselves or pretending to be gangsters. Ice Cube was from a middle class family and was attending a ncie school in Texas when NWA formed. They weren't hardened murderers.

[HK-47]

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Rap was new and no one heard anything like NWA before. It was groundbreaking and therfore 100 times more dangerous.

I think that's about half right and half wrong. NWA were probably responsible for making rap a touch more commercial, or more musical, certainly for helping the genre to get a foothold in the commercial arena. They took what other groups like Ice-T and Public Enemy had done before them and made it more appealing to a general audience. Their legacy in contemporary rap boils down to two main points; the wannabe "gangsta" attitude and the reliance on sampled riffs and melodies. While there was more to the group than just that, it is those two aspects which tie just about any popular modern rap group to NWA. I suppose you could say that the most dangerous aspect of NWA was the way that they defined quite specifically what would be considered the rap archetype, and in doing so killed off the creativity which had powered the form prior to their emergence.  Of course, the same can be said of any popular movement in any artform, one good idea generally leads to a proliferation of pale imitations which usually miss the point entirely. For example, the entire gangsta concept in rap can be traced back to a handful of rappers prior to NWA who, like the most obvious and famous example, Ice-T, were simply using their own experiences as material for their songs and in most cases portrayed the criminality of street life as a limiting, negative thing. From those few sources we now see an endless array of rappers who present criminality as credibility and fill their records with romanticised, illusory accounts of drug experinces, drug dealing, pimping, and gunfights - not because they necessarily have any experience in those things but simply because it's popular subject matter in the genre, in the same way as sex and drugs are mainstays of rock music, or being a whiny bitch is a staple of grunge/numetal. 

So NWA were, in truth, as dangerous as GNR or Nirvana or Ice T or The Beatles or John Lee Hooker or Elvis Presley or Al Jolson or  - hell, Mozart, Beethoven, or Brahms, go back as far as you want to - in that by virtue of their popularity they set the tone for and erected boundaries around what would be considered "right" or "good" within their genre for a period of time and in doing so spawned endless imitators and wagonjumpers, saturating the marketplace and killing off innovation and creativity. In truth, none of those bands or the people in those bands were truly dangerous in any way, the danger lay in putting their music out there and connecting with a huge group of people, some of whom either didn't really get it or just wanted to copy it.   

[dboyd13]

NWA hands down!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is for the "Sucka" who said NWA was nothing without Cube.  NWA was the first Rap group to sell 1 Mill CDS in 1 week.  This was after Cube left!

[ClintroN]

Fuck NWA, there old school n' thats why i respect em' but fuck.....most dangerous, couple of street wise wannabe's.

yeeh..nigga....fuck that shit, yeah, most dangerous from Eazy E coppin' it in the arsehole

[Carlos_f_Rose]

And I think we all know what made GnR so dangerous, they took everything that was going on at that time and js said fuck it all, and did exactly what they wanted HOW THEY WANTED IT?

I'm not sure about that.?

".. And i'm the last mother fuckin' person they thought would be climbin' up their ass to tell them about it. But see ... for me now ... it ain't about fuckin' doin' cocaine, it ain't about how much vodka can I drink, and how much I can drink someone else under the table. It ain't about how much of a (In a naggy voice) macho-man rockin' roller I can be. That shit don't work no more. That's great for little kid rock n' roll fuckin' bullshit, but it don't work no more in the real world for my ass.

I can't come up here and go, (In a naggy voice) yeah, i'm bad, i'm rock n' roll, we're doin' this rock n' roll thing, it's my life, it's falling apart. I can't fake it no more. Just because my family or my record company or somebody else tells me I should, so everybody can be happy, and make money, and ... suck my dick!"


This bit? from Chicago'92 Rant (credits to Jodie-the-rat) is chiefly about the conflict with his parents. Sorry it might be a bit out of the context but I think he's mentioning his view on the so called RNR image.

Hi Ppebe, would you please write the last quotes he said before singing Live and Let die... please   I cant understand perfectly... thanks 


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[ppbebe]

(following "suck my dick!")
"..anyway, there are those in my family who are, they plan that, now that i've written these things that 'they're gonna get revenge, because it was a terrible thing i did, and we're gonna get revenge'  YEAH? TRY IT!! ... and if a fucking scrawny little high junior high 90 pound weakling can finally get his ass up here and take this shit on- so can anyone of you that have the same fucking bullshit problems in your life, they don't have to get away with it! I tried being nice, i tried being cool about it, i tried like being friends and all that shit- all i got was 'you know how much we love you but let's keep the screws on and keep you down like we always have.' Yeah well, guess what? I've changed my point of view! For me now, it's kinda like Live and Let Die motherfucker!!!"

FYI check out this thread.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=ebaf8f25c78a9c36e9654bc4ac371089&topic=19081.0

[Carlos_f_Rose]

Thanks for taking the time to answer...

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