Guns N' Roses and alternative rock: connections

[Nytunz]

Well, i guess i have said my opinions on this on the "Guns N' Roses and alternative rock: connections"

[Pandora]

No need to create a new thread for that.

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[Nytunz]

No need to create a new thread for that.

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Well, i guess the Mods, have the final word here.

But anyway. I guess no one doubts that alot of the current GNR members have done "alternative" music in the past.
Anyone else in here who can hear the Alternative elements In the Illusion albums?

[Voodoochild]

its like sayin that just coz krusher (sp.) who was a rythm guitar player for suicidal tendencies can make contraband sound like trash-speedcore with indrustrial rap elements oh jeez cmon.....

Uh, it's not like it's just one member and it's not like VR and the "let's just rock" way of making music.

3) It's obvious Voodoo was replying to the question NO2 of the first post.
Also illusion is brought up as the relevant reference to the topic of this thread.
Otherwise it would be called da off-topic.

Indeed. Thanks for clearing things up, ppbebe.

[Nytunz]

yeah whatever? ? i really wanna find out where u heard the alternative inlfuences in illusion..dunno why i have stuck with this thread but i am curious to see. so ...? lets do it practically , yeah ?


for example the intro riff of the song sweet danger by angelwitch of the same title album has been an influnce for metallica and if u really wish i can find the song by metallica.

where the hack can u find such an influnce in illusions related to alternative music?

Well! Like i said before! I dont think i said Illusion album are "Influenced" on Alternative music. What i said is! On The illusion you can find elements of Alternative!
How many bands in the Genere Alternative Axl, Slash or whoever liked or was Influence of dosent matter, but we know atleast that Axl had some. Like NIN..! Faith No More.....!....! But anyway! Lets take the the Rythm cange in the Coma for example! And the way Coma is build up! It wasnt tradisional GNR when it came out! Axl use some voice editor at some parts, and they put in som talking and so on!
 My World! This is a song Axl Rose is the main man behind... You can clearly hear that this is an Indus. song. And the first time people heard it they went ?
And some may ? about it! I dont think there is anything more to say about that song!
 Breakdown and Bad Apples and Estranged also have some Elements, and i guess most out there understand what i mean! And i guess you also Understand me pretty well!
 U know! Thats what made GNR so God Damn special! They made music with alot of different genere elements in it! "Bluse, Metal, Hardrock, Reggea, and even som parts of Rap on theyr Live performence! And Alternative! Taking Dizzy and Zig Zag on board made most of thouse elements! Also Axl`s piano parts on the Illusion records....

So Thats it! ? What would you call Guns N`Roses? `Clean tradisional Hard Rock? well.. it wasnt tradisional Hard Rock who made them take over the World! I guess u can sign your name under that! They did somthing Different!

[ppbebe]

alright but u have actually cancelled urself ,what ppl were sayin before....

That?s the way a thread goes. Since this is not a bloody chat room.

pandora says that it cannot be considered as off-topic while ppbebe has got a dif. opinion. whatever

Did you even read my post?

[Nytunz]

"My World! This is a song Axl Rose is the main man behind... You can clearly hear that this is an Indus. song. And the first time people heard it they went "

a few posts back u were sayin that its alt.rock ...


"So Thats it!? ?What would you call Guns N`Roses? `Clean tradisional Hard Rock? well.. it wasnt tradisional Hard Rock who made them take over the World! I guess u can sign your name under that! They did somthing Different!"

yep. i do agree but take alternative rock out . u can talk about punk , mixture with hard-rock, loads of aerosmith by slash and nazareth influences in axl's vocals but keep alternative and metal out.

Okay, on the My World thing i WROTE wrong. I meant Alternative. Sorry! Well! Its okay by me if u dont agree with me! But i still hear the Alternative and Metal in Some GNR songs! Metal is an element who is even clearer than Alternative!! In the drums Guitar rif and some Vocal!
 But anyway! I will stil say that the songs i have mention a couple of times already has Alternative elements.. I dont know why you have a problem hearing that.. Maybe you have another defination on Alternative then me! Maybe you are right, maybe i am wrong! I dont know! And until you prove other ways, my opinion stands strong as a Mountain. The Indus. sound and whay they do My World, would i call Alternative elements. They Way they suddnly used piano/Keyboard and other effects on Estranged. The Use of Different effect and the way they build up songs like Breakdown, Coma, and Bad Apples... I call it Alternative Elements.. Longer songs, and rythm change! Not the short RocknRoll/Punk songs u find on Lies for eksample...

[Gunner80]

What does it all matter? Good music is good music, only idiots (punk/alt. kids) put a great band or song into categories. Shit like this has got to stop for the sake of music in general.

[gandra]

I think that Kurt Cobain had a small d..k,so he hated Axl

[Falcon]

What does it all matter? Good music is good music, only idiots (punk/alt. kids) put a great band or song into categories. Shit like this has got to stop for the sake of music in general.

Actually, the industry itself categorizes music these days, nothing to do with the punk/alt kids, ?
they and their mentality are merely a by product of the things that went on in England in '77
and the explosion that happened stateside in the fall of '91. ?The latter's effects are still prevelent in the American music industry to this day.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

What does it all matter? Good music is good music, only idiots (punk/alt. kids) put a great band or song into categories. Shit like this has got to stop for the sake of music in general.

Actually, the industry itself categorizes music these days, nothing to do with the punk/alt kids, 
they and their mentality are merely a by product of the things that went on in England in '77
and the explosion that happened stateside in the fall of '91.  The latter's effects are still prevelent in the American music industry to this day.

I realize that industry must categorize music for the sake of business/advertising/etc, but I think Gunner80 also makes a valid point - here is a snippet from an NYTimes article:

"The format in the last couple of years has gone through an identity crisis," said Kevin Weatherly, program director of KROQ, a closely watched alternative powerhouse in Los Angeles. "You have stations that are too cool, that move too quickly and are only playing the coolest music, which doesn't at the end of the day attract enough of the audience. Or you have the other extreme, dumb rock, red-state rock that the cool kids just flat out aren't into."

Who's doing the blatant (and offensive, not to mention inaccurate) categorizing here? 

It seems to me that Mr Weatherly is acting as a spokesman for both industry as well as the 'cool' punk/alt kids.   His categorizing is so laughable, it's not surprising that people are moving to satellite radio.  No one likes to be told they're dumb or have assumptions made about their politics just because they like listening to 'Cherry Pie' on occasion (yes, I chose a dumb song on purpose).  And it's primarily the alt. rock side that likes to alienate music listeners by insulting them, and hence maintaining their own elite status.

Wouldnt it be hysterical if KROQ got JACK'd one fine day?  To be honest, I see the flaws of these JACK clones popping up everywhere, but at the same time....listening to this formatless, jockless station is much more enjoyable than the average modern rock station.  If that makes me dumb, fine.

[jgfnsr]

heard Estranges?

I've never heard Estranges.  Is that a good song?

[Litti10]

Who cares where the players come from as long as they are great and and play gn'r good right

[gandra]

heard Estranges?

I've never heard Estranges.? Is that a good song?

me to,never hear estranges,maybe it is alternative song

[Nytunz]

heard Estranges?

I've never heard Estranges.? Is that a good song?

Just tryn to be alternative funny? Or just HeavyMetal Brain damage? 

[Dead N' Bloated]

I think the alternative crowed dont like GN'R coz all the "Alternative" people I know hates the band coz of the stage show of lights N' pyros N' the Rock Star image. But Its not only GN'R they dont like, Its also bands like KISS, AREOSMITH, ALICE COOPER, and other acts that invole huge stage productions. These people like the pesent look of the bands like Nirvana and Alice in chains. Dont get me wrong I like Nirvana and other grunge type tunes but the people who are in love with the grunge personality, despise the Rock N' Roll image of the legendary Bands.