Izzy on the illusion tour

[jameslofton29]

So Welsh, you think if Izzy had never left we would have still had this 12 year wait? For many years of this wait all Axl had was instrumentals. No lyrics whatsoever. Izzy would have filled that void immediately.

[welshrose]

Thats not the question, the fact of the matter is that Izzy would have never stayed, so it cant even be considered because he would have never dealt with the terms that Axl was throwing out.


If Guns N' Roses was alive, happy and Axl and Izzy were on good terms and collaborating together there is no doubt in my mind we would have had at least 2-3records.

[jameslofton29]

I agree Welsh. I think Izzy left at the perfect time. He seen the trainwreck before it actually occured. Izzy Stradlin..The Prophet Of Doom! LMAO!!

[Doc Emmett Brown]

I dont want to attack Izzy in any sort of way but he always seemed to be the outcast of the group.

I see your point, but I tend to disagree with it too.  As you say, "Axl had himself..."  and Slash chilled with Duff & Matt after Izzy had already left.   I think he went through an 'outcast' period because he hated the fame so much, but he hangs out with Slash & Duff a lot more now.   Duff and he were on Mark Lanegan's album together, and we all know about him helping Slash & Duff write some material in their pre-Scott Weiland stage of VR, and Slash has mentioned Izzy introducing him to The Darkness.  Basically, I think his estrangement from the others was a temporary thing.  He even tried going to Axl's house and make up with him.


I agree with what you said here: "If Izzy was around in 1994/1995 all he would have done was get pissed at Axl's direction and would have walked again" - since the other members eventually all walked out too. 

[usurper]

Back off Bitch
November Rain
The Garden
Garden of Eden
Dont Damn Me
Dead Horse
Coma
Civil War
Yesterdays
Knockin On Heavens Door
Get It the Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Breakdown
Locomotive
Estranged
My World
Live and Let Die

Thats one fucking brilliant track list.........

[jameslofton29]

Not as brilliant as the real tracklist.

[Saul]

Back off Bitch
November Rain
The Garden
Garden of Eden
Dont Damn Me
Dead Horse
Coma
Civil War
Yesterdays
Knockin On Heavens Door
Get It the Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Breakdown
Locomotive
Estranged
My World
Live and Let Die

There , much better IMHO. 

 

[ppbebe]

The garden is one of my fav.

[jameslofton29]

Although this is a pretty good tracklist, without Izzy's lyrical,backing vocals, and guitar contributions to the records, Illusions would have been weak.

[usurper]

Back off Bitch
November Rain
The Garden
Garden of Eden
Dont Damn Me
Dead Horse
Coma
Civil War
Yesterdays
Knockin On Heavens Door
Get It the Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Breakdown
Locomotive
Estranged
My World
Live and Let Die

There , much better IMHO. 

 

Now that's MUCH better

[Saul]

Back off Bitch
November Rain
The Garden
Garden of Eden
Dont Damn Me
Dead Horse
Coma
Civil War
Yesterdays
Knockin On Heavens Door
Get It the Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Breakdown
Locomotive
Estranged
My World
Live and Let Die

There , much better IMHO. 

 

Now that's MUCH better

Sorry that I gave my opinion    Maybe I dont like a couple songs and consider them filler. Whatever. 

[nyd]

i guess izzy was still smacked out his eyeballs at the time. it took him a year or two to get clean after he left.

Izzy was clean in 1991 - he left because he was trying to get clean and found it hard around a bunch of junkies.

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On another note, I know I am a strong Izzy supporter, and prefer his solo work to GNR, but for some of you people to say Izzy was not important is pretty shocking. It shows just how much you really know about GNR. Every member of a band has some kind of input, and in Izzys case he had one hell of a lot of input 

[IzzyDutch]

During Illusion tour he arrived just half an hour before the gig, he was already clean by then and found it hard to deal with Slash and Duff cause they where always wasted and walking around like zombies. He said when he came back in '93 nothing had changed and they didn't even laugh anymore on stage, they where too wasted and it all had become a routine. He said he hung out more with the roadies.

Here are some nice Duff quotes from '99:

MG: At what point did you think it was gonna come back together?

DM: We started going to Slash's house. I'd gone out on the road promoting my first solo record [1993's Believe In Me]. I was touring Europe and Japan, then I got sick. That's when I started visiting Slash at his house. He has a little studio there and we had a batch of songs. But ya' know what? Without Izzy, we just weren't writing the old way. We had a bunch of great songs, but the way we used to write wasn't all sitting in a room and trying to force ourselves to be a family. We just were But there was a point up there where it was looking good and we started cranking out songs, but it just started falling apart.

"and low-profile ex Guns guitarist Izzy Stradlin. In fact, "Put You Back, " a McKagan/Stradlin effort, has the Stradlin stamp in the slide guitar and memorably cool vibe""

HP: You got former GN'R bandmates Slash and Izzy Stradlin to work on this record, did it take a big effort to get their contributions?
Duff: Not any effort. On the song Mezz, Slash called and said, "Can I come play on this man?" I said, "We've got a spot for a solo." As for Izzy, Todd Sullivan, my A&R guy on the record said, "We need one track -- a Lord of Your Thighs mid-tempo rocker." I'd just written 29 songs. I didn't want to force writing a song, so I decided to call Izzy. I said , "Dude, they said I need a mid-tempo rocker." He just chuckled. So he wrote Put You Back, and a b-side called Riding Home.

Izzy left halfway through the Illusions tour. We still were holding on to that band family thing. And like a trooper, he came back out on the road with us -- even though his heart wasn't in it -- when Gilby broke his wrist. Later, he told me we were like zombies. Nobody on the stage was even talking to each other. It wasn't because we hated each other, we were just kind of going through the motions. So scary. In Europe and South America, especially, it was fanatical, and we were just dazed. WE WERE F.CKING ZOMBIES! Izzy couldn't believe the change.

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lobby/1117/duffsbeautif3.html

[usurper]

Back off Bitch
November Rain
The Garden
Garden of Eden
Dont Damn Me
Dead Horse
Coma
Civil War
Yesterdays
Knockin On Heavens Door
Get It the Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Breakdown
Locomotive
Estranged
My World
Live and Let Die

There , much better IMHO.?

 

Now that's MUCH better

Sorry that I gave my opinion? ? Maybe I dont like a couple songs and consider them filler. Whatever.?

You consider "The Garden" filler? What drugs are you on?

[Saul]

Back off Bitch
November Rain
The Garden
Garden of Eden
Dont Damn Me
Dead Horse
Coma
Civil War
Yesterdays
Knockin On Heavens Door
Get It the Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Breakdown
Locomotive
Estranged
My World
Live and Let Die

There , much better IMHO. 

 

Now that's MUCH better

Sorry that I gave my opinion    Maybe I dont like a couple songs and consider them filler. Whatever. 

You consider "The Garden" filler? What drugs are you on?

Right now? None. Ask me again saturday.    Anyways , I do think the garden is filler , but that my opinion and nothing more. It can be your fav GNR song , thats cool .. I'm not going to accuse you of being on drugs or whatever vbecause you like or dislike a song different then me.

I , personally , just cant see anything about the song "the garden" that appeals to me.     I dont like the lyrics at all and I'm not very keen on the music aspect either. Moreover , I hated the video.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Right now? None. Ask me again saturday.    Anyways , I do think the garden is filler , but that my opinion and nothing more. It can be your fav GNR song , thats cool .. I'm not going to accuse you of being on drugs or whatever vbecause you like or dislike a song different then me.

well said.  Looking above, you werent the one who turned this thread off-topic by giving their opinion on the brilliance of tracklists, so your opinion is just as valid...even if I dont agree with it 

IzzyDutch, you should have written Izzy's biography with all the information you have. 

[*Izzy*]

I'd just like to point out that Izzy was involved in the arrangement of Live and Let Die

  Izzy?

[IzzyDutch]

Right now? None. Ask me again saturday.? ? Anyways , I do think the garden is filler , but that my opinion and nothing more. It can be your fav GNR song , thats cool .. I'm not going to accuse you of being on drugs or whatever vbecause you like or dislike a song different then me.

well said.? Looking above, you werent the one who turned this thread off-topic by giving their opinion on the brilliance of tracklists, so your opinion is just as valid...even if I dont agree with it?

IzzyDutch, you should have written Izzy's biography with all the information you have.?

Hehe thanks

[usurper]

I'd just like to point out that Izzy was involved in the arrangement of Live and Let Die

  Izzy?

You can't hear his guitar so well though, pretty much like in every song, no offense

[IzzyDutch]

I'd just like to point out that Izzy was involved in the arrangement of Live and Let Die

  Izzy?

You can't hear his guitar so well though, pretty much like in every song, no offense

That's cause Axl and Slash made sure Izzy's guitar was burried in the mix. The reason for that was that Izzy wasn't involved anymore, in the studio and on stage. And the reason for that was that Izzy wasn't enjoying it anymore. And we all know why