Izzy on the illusion tour

[Rob]

I really don't think Izzy can be that "scarred" from his time with Axl that he can't be in a band with a frontman ever again.  I think there was some other reason for him not continuing with VR.  Not sure what it is though.

[jameslofton29]

Not only was Izzy the musical genius in GNR, he was also a marketing genius as well. Its almost like he was the "manager" of GNR. The band has been in an utter state of limbo since the day he left. The continuation of the Illusion tour in 92 and 93 only disguised this fact. Once the tour ended, everyone realized that the band had turned into a trainwreck.

[Saul]

I really don't think Izzy can be that "scarred" from his time with Axl that he can't be in a band with a frontman ever again.  I think there was some other reason for him not continuing with VR.  Not sure what it is though.

who knows? I'm just going on quotes from slash and duff.

[gandra]

i think that Axl Rose was a menager and visionary of the band

Izz stradkin said 1991"Axl saw these(gnr glory) 1985"

[jameslofton29]

Axl as the visionary? Yeah right. I think that was part of the marketing plan, propping Axl up as the genius. Why has GNR been like a chicken with its head cut off since the day Izzy left? Every single member and ex member of GNR has done something of significance since the early 90's. Except Axl. Visionary? Genius? Main songwriter? I don't think so. Axl has the most original voice in the history of rock. But he wasn't what propelled GNR to the top. Without Izzy Stradlin, Appetite for Destruction doesn't exist.

[Saul]

Without Izzy Stradlin, Appetite for Destruction doesn't exist.

without paul tobias there would be no guns n roses.

erm , nevermind. 

[jameslofton29]

Axl's Paul Tobias comment was definitely the dumbest thing that he ever said.

[jarmo]

Axl's Paul Tobias comment was definitely the dumbest thing that he ever said.

Probably not if you think about it......



/jarmo

[ksks10]

Axl's Paul Tobias comment was definitely the dumbest thing that he ever said.

Probably not if you think about it......



/jarmo

With all the respect, it was the dumbest comment ever.Period.

[ryan_of_lax]

Axl considers the new Guns N Roses Guns N' Roses

So, if it wasn't for Paul, there wouldn't be Axl's Guns N' Roses.

Pretty simple statement really.

[usurper]

I wish people would just admit that Izzy was the brains behind the band. Admitting that doesn't mean you hate Axl. Axl was the voice, Izzy was the brains. Deal with it!!

Exactly my feelings. Ive always wanted too say exactly that but I was afraid the Axl worshipers would strongly disagree. Izzy brought something to the band that Gilby in my eyes was unable to replace. To me personally, the spirit and vibe of appetite and the majority of those songs is Izzy Stradlin. Alot of people argue GnR died when Slash left or when the UYI tour got overbloated and cheesy, but for me its when Izzy left. I strongly think that had Izzy stayed with GnR, they might very well still be around today, and the UYI tour would never have gotten as cheesy as it did. I think Izzy indirectly kept everyone, particularily Axl in check, yet also brought out the best personally and musically from all of them and that to me is more valuable and precious then the absence of Slash..

Overbloated and cheesy? I don't fucking think so.....

[Lineker10]

I wish people would just admit that Izzy was the brains behind the band. Admitting that doesn't mean you hate Axl. Axl was the voice, Izzy was the brains. Deal with it!!

Exactly my feelings. Ive always wanted too say exactly that but I was afraid the Axl worshipers would strongly disagree. Izzy brought something to the band that Gilby in my eyes was unable to replace. To me personally, the spirit and vibe of appetite and the majority of those songs is Izzy Stradlin. Alot of people argue GnR died when Slash left or when the UYI tour got overbloated and cheesy, but for me its when Izzy left. I strongly think that had Izzy stayed with GnR, they might very well still be around today, and the UYI tour would never have gotten as cheesy as it did. I think Izzy indirectly kept everyone, particularily Axl in check, yet also brought out the best personally and musically from all of them and that to me is more valuable and precious then the absence of Slash..

Overbloated and cheesy? I don't fucking think so.....

They did have a whole horns section and a Matt Sorum drum solo - sounds pretty overbloated to me.

[usurper]

I wish people would just admit that Izzy was the brains behind the band. Admitting that doesn't mean you hate Axl. Axl was the voice, Izzy was the brains. Deal with it!!

Exactly my feelings. Ive always wanted too say exactly that but I was afraid the Axl worshipers would strongly disagree. Izzy brought something to the band that Gilby in my eyes was unable to replace. To me personally, the spirit and vibe of appetite and the majority of those songs is Izzy Stradlin. Alot of people argue GnR died when Slash left or when the UYI tour got overbloated and cheesy, but for me its when Izzy left. I strongly think that had Izzy stayed with GnR, they might very well still be around today, and the UYI tour would never have gotten as cheesy as it did. I think Izzy indirectly kept everyone, particularily Axl in check, yet also brought out the best personally and musically from all of them and that to me is more valuable and precious then the absence of Slash..

Overbloated and cheesy? I don't fucking think so.....

They did have a whole horns section and a Matt Sorum drum solo - sounds pretty overbloated to me.

Not really as overbloated as Iron Maiden with all those creepy looking things on their stages....

[jameslofton29]

I agree with Axls main man. If Izzy had never left, we would have at least 3 or 4 more GNR albums by now. Even if other members had left. Instead we have nothing.

[ppbebe]

Yeah!sure!
And I prefer Chinese Democracy!!!!

[welshrose]

Yo Jimmy Lofton..your wrong man. While I agree that Izzy was the grounding source of Axl and he helped keep Axl in check, Izzy's involvement on the illusions is very minimal. Countless interviews speak of Izzy only providing one or two takes on songs, his guitar is almost non existent throughout the album. He definitely was a big aspect of GNR, but they seemed to have recorded fine without him. hell shotgun blues, civil war, and locomotive dont even have Izzy playing on them at all.

If Axl had saw eye to eye with Izzy we would have had more GNR albums, but you cant throw around statements like that, Slash, Duff and Axl clearly had a different vision and they still worked fine playing the material without him for another two years, choosing and selecting The Spaghetti Incident among other things.

If Izzy was around in 1994/1995 all he would have done was get pissed at Axl's direction and would have walked again, there werent going to be any more albums with Izzy.

[ksks10]

Yo Jimmy Lofton..your wrong man. While I agree that Izzy was the grounding source of Axl and he helped keep Axl in check, Izzy's involvement on the illusions is very minimal. Countless interviews speak of Izzy only providing one or two takes on songs, his guitar is almost non existent throughout the album. He definitely was a big aspect of GNR, but they seemed to have recorded fine without him. hell shotgun blues, civil war, and locomotive dont even have Izzy playing on them at all.

If Axl had saw eye to eye with Izzy we would have had more GNR albums, but you cant throw around statements like that, Slash, Duff and Axl clearly had a different vision and they still worked fine playing the material without him for another two years, choosing and selecting The Spaghetti Incident among other things.
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If Izzy was around in 1994/1995 all he would have done was get pissed at Axl's direction and would have walked again, there werent going to be any more albums with Izzy.

He wrote half or more of the illusions.So check the facts first.

[jameslofton29]

Izzy's involvement minimal? Thats hilarious!! Izzy wrote half of Illusions. Why dont you go look at Illusions, delete the songs Izzy wrote or co-wrote, and then see what kind of an album you have left.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

Yo Jimmy Lofton..your wrong man. While I agree that Izzy was the grounding source of Axl and he helped keep Axl in check, Izzy's involvement on the illusions is very minimal. Countless interviews speak of Izzy only providing one or two takes on songs, his guitar is almost non existent throughout the album.

Dont confuse Izzy's playing involvement on the UYIs with his actual songwriting contributions to it.  I think there is some interview in which Slash says he had to play Izzy's parts when they were recording because Izzy wasnt into it, but that's an entirely different issue from Izzy's creative input to the albums: Double Talkin Jive, Dust N' Bones, Pretty Tied Up, YCBM, 14 years, Perfect Crime, You aint the first - off the top of my head.  I have read that a lot of UYI was written (not recorded) in the Appetite days and so Izzy was definitely a part of that.

[welshrose]

I am huge Izzy fan dont get me wrong. His Far Below Me Now is one of my all time favorites. The whole "if Izzy stayed they would have had multiple records thing just annoys me, if Axl had the same mentality as Izzy than sure, but thats not the case.

Songs without Stradlin input:

Back of Bitch
November Rain
The Garden
Garden of Eden
Dont Damn Me
Dead Horse
Coma
Civil War
Yesterdays
Knockin On Heavens Door
Get It the Ring
Shotgun Blues
So Fine
Breakdown
Locomotive
Estranged
My World

I dont want to attack Izzy in any sort of way but he always seemed to be the outcast of the group. Slash chilled with Duff and Matt. Axl had himself, his shrinks and Stephanie. Izzy went alone, just him and his dogs. I like that mentality, but I dont think that if Izzy had stayed lots of records would have come out.