Dual Disks (DD). Why Chinese Democracy Should Release In This Format

[StoneTempleRoses]

If it takes longer to record in 5.1 then GNR should stick with regular CD but it would be cool.

StoneTempleRoses

[ppbebe]

Yeah. Haven't we already heard that it's to be released with full use of the up-to-the-minute technology?

[Buddha_Master]

What is the major difference maker between stereo cd and 5.1 dolby? Is it the increased soundstage or the clarity due to the differing compression techniques? If dual disc offers an obvious leap forward in sound quality then I'd be inclined to support releasing a DD, but if there isn't a huge difference in clarity and if remixing stereo doesn't make the same impact as music recorded specifically for the format then I don't see the benefit in adapting this particular album to dual disc.

Yes dude, there is a HUGE difference between Stereo, and Digital 5.1.

Stereo, you have 2 channels. Left and Right. Digital 5.1 you have Two front speakers (left and right), Two Surround Speakers (Left and Right), a Center Channel, and of course the Sub.

Its a more natural sound field where the audio envelopes you. In video games (only the Xbox for now) or movies, if something comes from behind you, you hear them coming from behind you (and you know if its coming from behond your left or right side). If a ship is passing over you, you heear the shit strting in front of you, and as it passes over you then behind you, you hear jsut that. Say in the new Star Wars DVDs, when Vader uses the force (like choking some fool) you here a powerful bass that you can feel in your chest coming from the Sub. You feel the force reverberating and pounding you. Thye Center channel is a better and more important speaker then either the front 2 or surround 2, and provides significantly improved clarity and more natural sound (voices).

Now, there is a thing called Pro Logic (2 and x now), that can take stereo and try to simulate it into 5.1 sound. But the stereo has to be encoded for it (like what PS2 and Gamecube games use). But its not as natural and the bass (Sub sucks).

Like I said before. Just listen to the differences between the Stereo CD side of "With Teeth" and then flip the sucker over and play it on a DVD player with a sweet 5.1 settup. Its staggering. Its a major "Holy Shit!" kind of difference. NIN music also has layers and sounds that can trip you out and fuck with you, and lends itself perfectly to this. And "With Teeth" being recorded in 5.1 makes it the best example of this. It's 2005, and it is time to get with the program.

[StoneTempleRoses]

if you listen to the Dual Disk in your computer and your computer has only 2 speakers how do you get the 5.1 sound, do you need to have a surround systemto get the right sound?

StoneTempleRoses

[ryan_of_lax]

I don't like the Dual Disk idea.
Who really wants to have to listen to their CD all the time sat between 5 speakers?

I mean, its ok for a movie when you're actually watching something.
But for CDs, I don't expect it to take off.

It will work for bands like Nine Inch Nails and Pink Floyd who make full use of soundscaping. But for normal rock bands, whats the point? Who cares if the reverb of a guitar comes from behind.

I don't think this will catch on. The general public don't care enough about it.

[Buddha_Master]

Holy Fuck, you dudes are scaring me.

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I don't like the Dual Disk idea.
Who really wants to have to listen to their CD all the time sat between 5 speakers?

I mean, its ok for a movie when you're actually watching something.
But for CDs, I don't expect it to take off."

The Dual Disc. One sie is a CD that CAN BE PLAYED ON ANY CD PLAYER. The other is the DVD THAT HAS THE REAL VERSION RECORDED IN DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1.

You dig?One side CD, other side DVD.

"It will work for bands like Nine Inch Nails and Pink Floyd who make full use of soundscaping. But for normal rock bands, whats the point? Who cares if the reverb of a guitar comes from behind."

Listen to The Beatles Yellow Submarine DVD, the Doors Riders On The Storm Audio DVD, and the Revenge of the Sith Soundtrack DVD (included with the regualr soundtrack). Then come back and apologize.

"I don't think this will catch on. The general public don't care enough about it."

Too Late. Check Amazon for an example. At around the same price as a CD album, and already being heavily pushed by retailers like Best Buy and record labels. Even without it, this applies to a complementary DVDthat gets packaged together with certain CDs. I am more referring to the Audio here anyway.


"if you listen to the Dual Disk in your computer and your computer has only 2 speakers how do you get the 5.1 sound, do you need to have a surround systemto get the right sound?"

Yea dude, you can play the CD side of the Dual Disc on your comp. But you won't get 5.1 unless you have the surround settup with a receviever that supports dolby digital, the optical or coax cables, and the speaker hookup.

If you want to hear the way the album was meant to be heard, you have to listen to it in a digital surround settup. Listening to the CD of it in my car, then coming home and listening to it again in my little theater room here at home....its like two different albums.

[Eva GnRAxlRosette]

5.1 rocks!   \m/(-_-)\m/

and okay yeah cool... i get it 

one side regular CD

one side dvd 5.1

that would be kick ass 

[the dirt]

You can't get the 5.1 onto a cd, only a dvd?

[jarmo]

The Dual Disc. One sie is a CD that CAN BE PLAYED ON ANY CD PLAYER. The other is the DVD THAT HAS THE REAL VERSION RECORDED IN DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1.

But don't they also include a PCM stereo mix on the DVD side? In case you only have two speakers but want a better sounding stereo version of the album.


It looks like the record companies think DualDisks are the future so I wouldn't be surprised if CD was released on that format.



/jarmo

[AC]

The Dual Disc. One sie is a CD that CAN BE PLAYED ON ANY CD PLAYER. The other is the DVD THAT HAS THE REAL VERSION RECORDED IN DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1.

But don't they also include a PCM stereo mix on the DVD side? In case you only have two speakers but want a better sounding stereo version of the album.


It looks like the record companies think DualDisks are the future so I wouldn't be surprised if CD was released on that format.



/jarmo

Yes they do, but it's not garunteed (inclusion of the PCM stereo mix). I have dual discs with and without. It all depends on the quality of the 5.1 mix and any extras they are including (videos, documentaries, etc.). On another note, the Velvet Revolver CD was released in dual disc, but without 5.1 and only the PCM stereo mix.

Aaron.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

DD format sucks, and I would not want CD in this format. DD has too many bugs in it.

[Buddha_Master]

DD format sucks, and I would not want CD in this format. DD has too many bugs in it.

Dave dave dave... 

Answer me this my friend. Would you rather have Chinese Democracy released only as a stereo CD, or with an included full dolby digital 5.1 version (whether that being an included DVD OR DD)?

Don't get hung up so much on DD. Its more what it and regular DVDs represents audioly. To me, after hearing the new NIN now extensively, the difference betweeen the DVD and the regular CD is as much a difference as Full Screen is to Widescreen. Because like Full screen, with CD stereo, you are only getting part of the picture.

DD also does not suck. No one I know have had any problems with it. I would rather have the entire soundfield then only part of it. I am not saying its better then getting an included DVD, but its better then getting just a regular CD. What about if albums still were released in Mono? Isn't there a big difference between Mono and Stereo? 5.1 isn't a little better then Stereo. Its a much MUCH bigger difference then what Stereo is to Mono. This is why movies have been using it for years, and is why the music industry is going in this direction as well.

More and more channels are going High Definition, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are merging for the next level of DVD HD, and there are things like DVDs being included with CDs, and now the Dual Disc. You guys can either move back to Bedrock, or accept the new technology, and treat yourself to a significantly better and more immersive way to see and hear the things we all love in movies and music.

Thats what this is about. That is why I am excited about what NIN has done, and what more and more musicians are m oving towards. I just want GNR to be cutting edge too (technologically). The music quality shouldn't sound dated before its even released.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Just look at all the probs people are having with the  NIN DD disc. If he is going to do this release two versions then.
When you have two sides to a disc is much easier to scratch plus its thicker than a normal cd, and wont fit in some slot players.

[Buddha_Master]

Man what problems? You just made me check some NIN message boards ...what are you saying dude?

Give a link dude before you make accusations like that.