Westerberg dissis Axl

[RichardNixon]

http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/music/mmx-050407-musickot,0,5366876.story?coll=mmx-music_features

On working with Tommy Stinson: "Tommy, [drummer] Josh Freese and I cut the opening song for the animated movie. It was fun, but it felt a little weird too, because he and I hadn't seen each other in about eight years. We were both a little uncomfortable. But I saw him in L.A. again last week, and we went out and hung out a little bit. I've got a few more things going on now, and he's turned a corner where he's realizing there's money to be made. It's a waste of his obvious talent and time hanging around with the other guy [Stinson is a member of Axl Rose's decade-plus-in-the-making Guns N' Roses album]."

[Bad_Apple]

ah shat ap, Westerberg!  Didn't Tommy release a solo album in the meantime?  And don't u think a part of the reason he had the luxery of making that album was b/c of the $$ and time Axl had g'n him?  And I wonder exactly how many people who bought Tommy's album were gnr fans?  Or those that went to his concerts were gnr fans (myself incl')?  And were introduced to Tommy via knowing him from gnr???
What would have Tommy been doing if he hadn't joined gnr I wonder? (sure he could've made a solo record, but apparently VGH was influenced in some ways by Axl....i.e. Axl encouraged him to be more creative/daring on his solo effort, according to Tommy)

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Being associated with Axl is getting his music noticed, not re-teaming up with Westerberg.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Here is something  you can bet on. There are more gnr fans at tommys shows than replacement fans.

[killingvector]

This is becoming some bizarre love triangle. Paul Westerberg is coming off as the bitter ex who wants to mend his ways while axl is the new exciting love. Much like that south park episode in which Satan questions his relationship with Chris when Saddam comes back to hell.

[Pandora]

Here is something  you can bet on. There are more gnr fans at tommys shows than replacement fans.

That's entirely untrue.

This is becoming some bizarre love triangle. Paul Westerberg is coming off as the bitter ex who wants to mend his ways while axl is the new exciting love. Much like that south park episode in which Satan questions his relationship with Chris when Saddam comes back to hell.

That, on the other hand, appears very true to me 

[Mr. Nik™]

WASTE OF TIME?

make an awesome solo album and doing a wonderful solo tour it's not a waste of time neither of talent

westerberg can suck my dog's dick

[Freya]

Being with Axl did afford Stinson some notice and an album.  That being said, come on guys, if Axl doesn't release something soon, it's a waste of TS's time to keep hanging around for years of inactivity.  Sounds like a Replacements reunion is not out of the question.  You see how well bands like the Pixies are doing right now. 

[Mr. Nik™]

it's a waste of TS's time to keep hanging around for years of inactivity. 

I repeat: solo works are not inactivity

[Freya]

I repeat: solo works are not inactivity

Yeah, he put out a solo album and toured it, now what?  I think he's tried to be loyal to Axl and given him plenty of opportunity to follow through, but with no results.  I don't think it would be that hard for Westerberg to lure him away.  Hey, this does sound like a love triangle.

[Falcon]

I don't think Westerberg is necessarily a bitter ex, maybe to a degree but not entirely. 

Maybe in his mind, (not saying it's right or wrong) Axl represents everything he hates about music and the industry itself.  Big corporate LA scene 80's schlock.
The absolute opposite of everything The "Mats stood for.  Very much an indie/alterna rock elitist attitude but an attitude that's still very prevelent.

As for more GNR fans being at a Stinson show than "Mats fans, who knows?  There's probably a fair amount of "Mats fans that love Stinson and will support him unconditionally, there's another faction who have left him for dead sheerly on his association with GNR.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

Here is something? you can bet on. There are more gnr fans at tommys shows than replacement fans.

That's entirely untrue.

Wanna bet on it?

[discobiscuit1]

Here is something? you can bet on. There are more gnr fans at tommys shows than replacement fans.

That's entirely untrue.

Wanna bet on it?

I dont really see the relevance...If Tommy was in GNR  to get people to his solo shows then he's a leach anyway , If he's in GNR to make and play music then Westerbergs statement that his talent is wasted is 100% correct.

[Pandora]

That's entirely untrue.

Wanna bet on it?

Bet? I don't have to bet on it, I know it's a fact. Besides, I don't really see how you could prove your point.
Look, I'm not saying there are no GN'R fans at his shows. There are some obviously, and that's very cool for him, because they can be a little more objective and not look at him as "that Replacements dude". But saying there are more GN'R fans than Mats fans at his shows is a huge exaggeration to say the least. Being a fan of both bands and in contact with members of both "camps", I follow that very closely and can assure you that except in Europe, where the Mats are virtually unknown, the biggest part of his audience is people in their mid to late thirties, which is what the Mats fanbase mostly consists of.
As Falcon said, there are indeed people who gave up on him because they feel he betrayed their indie spirit or some other inane shit, but others still go see him just like GN'R fans would go see any ex-GN'R member. You'll always have some drunk guy calling for "Tommy gets his tonsils out". I haven't yet heard of someone calling for a GN'R tune old or new, unless it was sarcastic..
Truth of the matter is, until CD is released, he will always be primarily considered as Westerberg's sidekick.

Now why did I ramble on like that? 

[Sakib]

Westerberg is a spoon

[Falcon]

Truth of the matter is, until CD is released, he will always be primarily considered as Westerberg's sidekick.

There is absolutely no doubt about that.? I'm not sure even the release of CD will ever change that preception.

[NickNasty]

"...It's a waste of his obvious talent and time hanging around with the other guy"

Didn't Tommy imply in some interview for his last round of gigs that he'd consider a reuinon with the Mats' if the money was right---like what they gave to the Pixies? Paul might be a dick, but I really believe that Tommy is exploring other options in case the record doesnt come out this year....and if he bails, well, goodnite GnR.

[Falcon]

"...It's a waste of his obvious talent and time hanging around with the other guy"

Didn't Tommy imply in some interview for his last round of gigs that he'd consider a reuinon with the Mats' if the money was right---like what they gave to the Pixies? Paul might be a dick, but I really believe that Tommy is exploring other options in case the record doesnt come out this year....and if he bails, well, goodnite GnR.

I remember something like that as well, someone will dig up the quote.

I'm sure all current GNR contributors keep their options open, nothing's a sure thing.

[the dirt]

Didn't Tommy imply in some interview for his last round of gigs that he'd consider a reuinon with the Mats' if the money was right---like what they gave to the Pixies?

There's no way the Mats will get Pixies type of money.

[jgfnsr]

Maybe in his mind, (not saying it's right or wrong) Axl represents everything he hates about music and the industry itself.? Big corporate LA scene 80's schlock.? The absolute opposite of everything The "Mats stood for.? Very much an indie/alterna rock elitist attitude but an attitude that's still very prevelent.

Ironically, the vast majority of those indie/alterna rock bands with the elitist attitude just plain suck.

Go figure.